EPTsorry noob question
The Difference between Koreans and Foreigners - Page 12
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nezera
Indonesia176 Posts
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
Mechanic is probably the most important fundamentals of SC, and once you master it, you can work on creating your own strategies and adapting to the map. A player with strong mechanics can be almost like a robot and still do very well just by copying builds and strategies. Also, the Koreans practice for so long per day, no foreigner can match their playtime or have the same quality and variety of practice partners or advice from other senior players. When you think about it, foreigners winning vs B team pro-gamers is still quite an accomplishment. Smart goal oriented practice sessions + good mentors + long hours of hard work/practice + good mechanics + micro + talent + intelligent decision making = good pro-gamers, regardless of race. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17722 Posts
On September 20 2008 18:17 nezera wrote: what "mechanics" mean? sorry noob question your execution macro, micro | ||
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0xDEADBEEF
Germany1235 Posts
On September 20 2008 18:17 nezera wrote: what "mechanics" mean? sorry noob question Your speed and/or multitasking capability. If you feel you're bad at this, you need better mechanics. And every non-progamer SHOULD feel that he's bad at this, because he is. Otherwise there would be no need for Korean progamers to play at APM levels of over 300 or even over 400. Mechanics of course directly influences macro and to a lesser extent micro too (since micro is not ONLY reliant on speed, it also relies on your tactics, unit placement, spell/mouse accuracy, timing and stuff like that). | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
On September 15 2008 02:00 Hot_Bid wrote: people are resistant to this idea because people hate it when they are just excluded from being good. apm and mechanics can be practiced but the perception is that for raw speed and multitask, there are physical limits, kind of like height and coordination in basketball. some people have it, some people don't. the truth is right there in front of you when your opponent is faster and better. whereas strategy seems to be this abstract concept that the everyman thinks he can learn and beat people with. there's something more egalitarian and attractive about strategy trumping speed (ie out-thinking an opponent who has better mechanics). think of it like a real sport, there are a few exceptions but in basketball in general you need to jump high, be tall, and be coordinated/athletic, and then you can learn about footwork, jump shots, and where to move on defense. sure you can play basketball without the height/speed/jumping ability and even play it very well, but you won't be the best in the world. the same is for SC--you need a base level of handspeed and multitask that to an extent can be practiced (like speed and jump can be trained in basketball) but innately there are different ceilings and limits for everyone. You need these aspects to be elite before even thinking about strategy. unfortunately this isn't reality. its NOT good when strategy is the biggest part of the game because for computer games, there are easily reachable limits to strategy. yes SC is still evolving but its mainly adjusting to maps and metagame, not the basics. there are few new revolutionary strategies on a basic level--nothing is going to change the "base" tactics of vultures and tanks vs protoss and mm vs zerg. where players can differentiate themselves is mechanics, speed, etc. that's what makes a sport a sport and a game a game, when certain players are better and no matter what most of the people do, they won't get as good as the best. that's where high skill differentiation comes in. and its good for SC, not bad. but to sum up, a lot of people hate it that mechanics > strategy because it basically kills any chance of being very good for a large portion of the community. there is always a general sentiment that whats inside (smarts, personality, etc) should matter more than innate outer qualities (physical ability, looks), because you can control one much more than the other. for many players and fans, they see the mechanics as physical, less controllable quality and strategy as "whats on the inside" so they feel its more genuine or fair to win by strategy than pure mechanics, because it means that anyone, even those that aren't fast like themselves, can be great. that's why people love the short players in the NBA, because its hope that anyone can be great at basketball regardless of height. this obviously just isn't true and the few short players are truly rare exceptions to a rule. its a hard reality to face for a lot of people, that they just can't be great. This post was freaking awesome and sums up my thoughts exactly. | ||
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honeyboy
United States14 Posts
On September 20 2008 23:48 meRz wrote: This post was freaking awesome and sums up my thoughts exactly. i agree, nice post | ||
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koreasilver
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
 (I practiced with the same build all the time before too but this one is much more efficient ofc) and I have now gone from D+ to C+ / B- | ||
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
Epic bump, dude. | ||
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ilistis
United States828 Posts
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Creationism
China505 Posts
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DanceCommander
United States1808 Posts
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On December 23 2008 14:19 Creationism wrote: is it jus me or did someone bump a post of 2 months to say "good post" lol Dude why did you bump a thread 2 hours after it died? + Show Spoiler + XD, this thread is great, OP, Idra and Hot Bid's post. | ||
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Shado.
United States187 Posts
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LosingID8
CA10824 Posts
On December 23 2008 14:19 Creationism wrote: is it jus me or did someone bump a post of 2 months to say "good post" lol certain bumps are fine, especially if the thread was a good one to start with. we have new users coming in every day, so it doesn't hurt to let them see some of the great discussions TL users have had in the past. | ||
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FREEloss_ca
Canada603 Posts
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Ki_Do
Korea (South)981 Posts
This is entirely true, what hotbid said, and artosis too What bother many ppl here is that they still think that the game have to be decided only during the match up, with the flow, like if they had uber hardcore 15k IQ, but even thus it would require hardcore apm and mechanics to be able to follow up their own mind, but without a plan, you are lost, this is part of the human condition, also you have success in life when you have a well decided,strong , solid plan for anything you want to do | ||
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Baddieko
Singapore855 Posts
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stanners
United States49 Posts
On December 26 2008 03:20 Baddieko wrote: All of u just watch stork vs draco in wcg 2008. They started out the same and It shows progamer has better decision making. Not necessarily mechanics. Foreigners have insane APM also. It seems like a lot of people seem to be missing the point of the OP. APM does not equate to mechanics. You can have awesome APM macroing, microing, moving armies here and there, but none of the actions are as efficient as they can be compared to a pro Korean gamer. Mechanics, in a sense, is about apm efficiency. Some guy can have 250 apm microing mutas, and making more mutas, while the pro Korean, who is carrying out his strat, knowing the timing of the mutas, spends 50apm defending, 100apm macroing, and the rest on moving along with his game plan (the main focus of the post, imo) without needing to think what to do next at all, since he's probably done mm vs muta while going on with his plan like 50,000 times during practice. Then again, this post is sort of reality to begin with, so there isn't much room for debate. | ||
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KurtistheTurtle
United States1966 Posts
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