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MeSaber
Sweden1235 Posts
https://pastebin.com/raw/XKvnrJtc (if there is no number in the field you can assume its the same as before) What i concluded is Terran upgrades makes huge difference and Protoss Shield is useful to an extent. Basic knowledge i know but i had to get numbers on it. Testing isnt complete because i have Zerg to cover and also how useful Terran armor is vs Protoss/Zerg. Bet my ass this is done already but i cant find it  | ||
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LML
Germany1789 Posts
Map for easy testing I made: https://mega.nz/file/ap9gQIqA#Qh_D8EkOdCjFaEp73XVqYxo3AhusdYAZB7Aa6FRhhTk | ||
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MeSaber
Sweden1235 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
The first armor upgrade is valuable. After that, adding the second armor upgrade seems reasonable only if the game is expected to continue significantly longer and more than enough resources are available for constant interceptor production. Personally I doubt the use of the second armor upgrade in a real game setting, because terrans are expected to keep upgrading their weapons. Especially the third armor upgrade seems completely useless for carriers in every real game setting. The first shield upgrade is certainly useful, there's no doubt about it. The second shield upgrade is debatable because it's quite expensive; resources might be spent better on other things, but I'm not entirely sure. The third shield upgrade seems far too expensive to me. Note that I am considering the added use of shield upgrades for ground units, but despite that I believe that the third upgrade is a bad investment. A good argument can be made in favor of shield batteries, which would also make shield upgrades more valuable (definitely the first one and perhaps the second one, too). The reason is that carriers do best in long, drawn-out battles due to shield regeneration. I didn't analyze the impact of defensive upgrades on interceptors, so there might be hidden benefits that I've overlooked. Also, if many upgraded goliaths fire at a carrier at the same time, then none of the defensive upgrades have a meaningful effect (at least against upgraded goliaths). That is firstly because many goliaths firing at the same time causes an overkill effect (making both armor and shield pretty much useless), and secondly because shield regeneration is only meaningful against infrequent hits. I haven't completed the table yet (it's about 90% done), but I think the above conclusions should be solid. If anyone's interested I'll complete it and post it when I've got time. | ||
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On May 11 2021 05:41 StRyKeR wrote: Protoss going carriers should always at least get +1 air armor and +1 shield armor because fully upgraded goliaths will kill an interceptor in 5 hits instead of 4 if the Protoss has those upgrades. This 25% increase in interceptor survivability makes a big difference in damage output and cost of replacing interceptors. That's very good information. Although what would you say is the effective increase (assuming fully loaded carriers) considering overkill? Around 25% or would it be significantly less? I can't think of a way for me to test this unfortunately. | ||
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
On May 11 2021 07:05 Magic Powers wrote: That's very good information. Although what would you say is the effective increase (assuming fully loaded carriers) considering overkill? Around 25% or would it be significantly less? I can't think of a way for me to test this unfortunately. Yea, hard to calculate the actual effective increase in survivability. but typically you never focus fire interceptors because they're too small, so goliath damage is generally spread out evenly across interceptors, which lessens overkill. | ||
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