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Terran vs Dark Swarm Defilers

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-StrifeX-
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States529 Posts
June 11 2007 04:15 GMT
#1
I was curious to how your methods are of elminating the Dark Swarm and killing the defilers.. I know irrad is the best weapon..Is it me or when there is a Dark Swarm it is hard to locate the defilers under it? What are your methods of determining where they are under the swarm?

Thanks in advance.
Sudyn
Profile Joined May 2007
United States744 Posts
June 11 2007 04:45 GMT
#2
Irradiate Defilers, just hover your cursor over it until it changes to a targetting beacon.
If they're massing Defilers, like there are a shitton of them, then EMP.
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ShabZzoY!
Profile Joined July 2004
Great Britain760 Posts
June 11 2007 04:54 GMT
#3
..?
Its not like swarm is opaque, just click around until you get a defiler
ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2982 Posts
June 11 2007 05:04 GMT
#4
Mass vessels but you need good control, just be focus in order to spot defiler, it's not that hard.

However if he goes hydra+lurkers+defilers with good grades and you are not 100% confident with your micro switch to 3 factory tank vultures w mines while still pumping rines.

Scatter the tanks so that he cannot reach them in a few dswarm and lay a shitload of mines in front to defend your expands (that's in case of a long TvZ, he cannot make a significant hydra lurk def army without 4 gases anyway). It will prevent an attack, while you go on a drop frenzy trying to kill his multis. Tank attack upgrades will help.

You won't see that in pro games but that the best counter I've found for a casual and sloppy player like me. Unless you have really really good micro and multitask, going SKterran against hydra lurk swarm is suicide, same if you are moving with a blob.

I've gone a bit off topic but I've been really struggling against swarm users and it really pissed me off so I hope it will be helpful
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper in a genius" Kang Min
azndng
Profile Joined July 2004
United States344 Posts
June 11 2007 06:56 GMT
#5
ChapFou has the correct idea. thats the best counter to DS in a public setting---vults/tanks(that's why its rarely seen in pro circuits).

even a more desperate way is to irrad ur own vessels and float/patrol over the DS!! T_T ahahha that's what i do when i'm too lazy to find the defiler. although it'll take lil long to kill them, you'd kill anything else under the ds.
FroZZoR
Profile Joined October 2002
China925 Posts
June 11 2007 07:40 GMT
#6
yeah that's why no one ever uses defiler in pro games
There can be only one
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
June 11 2007 08:12 GMT
#7
Yeah, like, koreans are known for hating the hell out of defilers.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
June 11 2007 08:16 GMT
#8
But seriously: The key is too keep active, if you are boxed in at your nat he will swarm push you into the ground. Keep sending those units out. If he swarms, pull back slightly. Do this while taking out his expands, he will eventually crumble without those. Just tank/mnm/a few vessels/vults for mines will be fine if you can't micro.

Dropships are a bitch to counter, (If you have control of the center you can send dropships through there, maybe with a dmatrix) if he's going around with swarm hopefully you can beat his army head to head, so you can drop one place and stop him from defending the exp with your main army. (keep pressuring his main force, so he can't run around the map.)
MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
June 11 2007 09:55 GMT
#9
Since when do koreans not use defilers, wtf? "I DONT WANNA SEE VULTURE/TANK SO I DONT USE DFILER."? I could of sworn must koreans rush defiler in every single zvt... Or did i misread something in the thread?
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il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
June 11 2007 10:01 GMT
#10
Tank/vult and marine/medic, who does mech and bio at the same time?

You just keep scooting your units back and then irridate the defilers before he swarm, try to target it with your tanks too
Detonate
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Iceland578 Posts
June 11 2007 10:29 GMT
#11
On June 11 2007 19:01 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Tank/vult and marine/medic, who does mech and bio at the same time?

You just keep scooting your units back and then irridate the defilers before he swarm, try to target it with your tanks too


its comments like that that make me cant wait for SC2


inept @ west always up for TMM and 1vs1. TLT3 goGOgOG
Sigrun
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1654 Posts
June 11 2007 11:24 GMT
#12
On June 11 2007 19:01 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Tank/vult and marine/medic, who does mech and bio at the same time?

You just keep scooting your units back and then irridate the defilers before he swarm, try to target it with your tanks too


I go mech and bio at the same time <.<
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cruel)angel
Profile Joined February 2005
Philippines253 Posts
June 11 2007 11:32 GMT
#13
Usually when z is teching fast defiler and I scouted it late.
I use bats with d-matrix, since i already have acad tech and vessel tech with no irad.
I'm not saying its the best counter, but if you dont have mines researced or irad researched, and hes already pushing with filer+ lurks, it can be an alternative.
i die, i die, but ill kill you first
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
June 11 2007 11:51 GMT
#14
On June 11 2007 13:54 ShabZzoY! wrote:
..?
Its not like swarm is opaque, just click around until you get a defiler


Well that fart cloud makes it a little hard to see

If a Zerg starts throwing up Swarms I usually just grab a Dark Archon and just feedback it while it's consuming, then I can get the Zerg to kill a couple of Zerglings only to have his Defiler die

Although that's not the point. You should just throw some Irradiates before he gets to throw up a cloud and make it hard to see.
^-^
Pads
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
England3228 Posts
June 11 2007 17:54 GMT
#15
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lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
June 11 2007 21:09 GMT
#16
A good combo of a mix of MFM with SK if very effective. Also, EMP is very strong, since if you cant see the defiler,neither should they. So therefore they should have a very hard time finding a proper consume or for that matter the defiler itself.

Otherwise, vultures are key. You can simply mine up the map and make sure that no defiler gets by you. If you want to cheat, allied mines.
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
IIICodeIIIIIII
Profile Joined April 2006
China1101 Posts
June 11 2007 21:12 GMT
#17
use stardraft to reskin the defiler into pure red. or you can reskin the dark swarm picture into just a large green circle (transparent inside) instead of that fuzzy mess that looks like an ultralisk just jizzed on all the units under it which is why the marines give up shooting. ultralisk jizz = +10000 armor. go ultra go ultra! ultra jizz, mother tested, boxer approved.
IIICodeIIIIIII
Profile Joined April 2006
China1101 Posts
June 11 2007 21:17 GMT
#18
On June 11 2007 20:51 Equinox_kr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2007 13:54 ShabZzoY! wrote:
..?
Its not like swarm is opaque, just click around until you get a defiler


Well that fart cloud makes it a little hard to see

If a Zerg starts throwing up Swarms I usually just grab a Dark Archon and just feedback it while it's consuming, then I can get the Zerg to kill a couple of Zerglings only to have his Defiler die

Although that's not the point. You should just throw some Irradiates before he gets to throw up a cloud and make it hard to see.


ya, dark archon... and that's trained at the uh.. barracks right? damn, why didn't i think of that. if the bastard is going defiler, i'll just train a dark archon at my barrack. the button right next to the "train marine" and "train firebat" sheesh, i can just press "train dark archon". voila!

to op: but just MAKE SURE, before you train ur dark archon, you have all the minerals and gas you need, cause otherwise, your barracks blows up and your mom will all your marines will go hakuna matata and your mom will have sex with andy griffin.

also, you can merge two science vessels into a dark vessel which does all dark archon spells for free. try it. that's what i usually do.
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
June 11 2007 21:45 GMT
#19
all comments are just :S
w/e
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
June 11 2007 22:42 GMT
#20
On June 12 2007 06:17 IIICodeIIIIIII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2007 20:51 Equinox_kr wrote:
On June 11 2007 13:54 ShabZzoY! wrote:
..?
Its not like swarm is opaque, just click around until you get a defiler


Well that fart cloud makes it a little hard to see

If a Zerg starts throwing up Swarms I usually just grab a Dark Archon and just feedback it while it's consuming, then I can get the Zerg to kill a couple of Zerglings only to have his Defiler die

Although that's not the point. You should just throw some Irradiates before he gets to throw up a cloud and make it hard to see.


ya, dark archon... and that's trained at the uh.. barracks right? damn, why didn't i think of that. if the bastard is going defiler, i'll just train a dark archon at my barrack. the button right next to the "train marine" and "train firebat" sheesh, i can just press "train dark archon". voila!

to op: but just MAKE SURE, before you train ur dark archon, you have all the minerals and gas you need, cause otherwise, your barracks blows up and your mom will all your marines will go hakuna matata and your mom will have sex with andy griffin.

also, you can merge two science vessels into a dark vessel which does all dark archon spells for free. try it. that's what i usually do.


-_- Thanks for posting.
^-^
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