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What to do in zvt against terran mech?

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w3jjjj
Profile Joined April 2007
United States760 Posts
May 12 2007 15:04 GMT
#1
I used to go pure mutas, but i have problems stoping terran taking the natural, and 2 base terran pumps way too many goliath...what's an alternative strategy against mech?
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xmShake
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1100 Posts
May 12 2007 15:08 GMT
#2
There is no alternative.
LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
May 12 2007 15:18 GMT
#3
Muta/ling

If you're just pumping mutas you should have plenty of minerals for like 30 lings

You could also tech to ultra/ling because goliaths are very weak vs ultras.
Polemarch
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
May 12 2007 15:19 GMT
#4
try delaying with mutaling as usual until you can get defilers, then rape with plague or swarm/whatever
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intelinside
Profile Joined February 2007
United States982 Posts
May 12 2007 15:55 GMT
#5
mutalings should beat pure gols. but then again i dont really know bc im not zerg player but from what i see, mutalings beats gols
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32280 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-12 17:18:11
May 12 2007 16:58 GMT
#6
Just outexpo him while going muta/ling or hydra/muta. If hes pure golie, then make more hydra. If hes mixing tanks, then mix mutas.
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YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
May 12 2007 17:01 GMT
#7
take the map. its hard for the terran to stop you from expoing cuz his mech army isn't very mobile, and if he is moving out with a sizable force you can threaten to counter his main with a ton of mutas.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
May 12 2007 17:11 GMT
#8
Harass him! :D and do what ^ he says.
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Profile Joined May 2006
Poland62 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-12 18:42:54
May 12 2007 18:42 GMT
#9
gols are chobo cuz not mobile at all - zerg has to play more drones, bigger mass without sunkens and lurkers
I think ling 3/3 + adrenal + eventually ultras would pwnage those gols, but hidras 3/3 arent bad too
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Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden1965 Posts
May 12 2007 19:31 GMT
#10
muta and sunkens

if he moves out counter his main. you should be able to take more expos than him. dont fight his army without sunk support.
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unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
May 12 2007 20:43 GMT
#11
mutaling for sure...golies dont do shit against mutas...so you got the mutas taking all the damage, while you have lings finishing the golies
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Sr18
Profile Joined April 2006
Netherlands1141 Posts
May 12 2007 22:25 GMT
#12
Muta/ling and decent flanking > goliaths. You will have to change your harassment technique though, as goliaths have too great a range for picking off units to be effective. Moving in with 30+ muta's when he moves out to kill expoes is what you should do.
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Brutalisk
Profile Joined February 2007
794 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-12 22:42:46
May 12 2007 22:32 GMT
#13
Muta/ling, expand as often as you can (be very greedy, you need MUCH gas), and be aggressive. Don't let the goliaths force you into defensive mode, just try to harass him. With a mass of mutas (like 24+) you can destroy half of his base very fast while his goliaths are somewhere else. If you have many expansions, you can let the goliaths kill one of them while you rape his main/factories (which hits him much harder).
And try to tech to defilers soon, and get plague (don't bother with swarm, unless you decided to get more lings/hydras/lurkers/ultras).
tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-12 22:49:08
May 12 2007 22:48 GMT
#14
You also need to take a third gas at the very least. And you need to guerilla warfare it quite a bit. Burrow is also great against goliaths though if you have a large amount of lings AND mutas it isn't really necessary. But I think its cost effective so long as you place them in a place where he won't scan.
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
May 12 2007 22:48 GMT
#15
Be wary of vultures. If the T already has numerous factories up, chances are he'll throw little blobs of vultures at you to go expo harassing and/or drop spider mines freakin' everywhere.

As stated by just about everyone, go muta/ling. Don't really bother with lurkers because gols can really more or less just lol all over them.
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Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
May 13 2007 00:20 GMT
#16
If you fail to take advantage with your ling/muta and it's about even, taking islands is very powerful becouse you can move your entire army there very fast for defence, making your islands hard to attack.

Swarm/plauge is very awsome, but remember that a good mech user will add m&mf if he scans defilers or get tank heavy. They should also have at least 3 science vessels making mutas worse becouse of irraditate.

Zerglings are rather bad after a certain point, when he's to big basically, rely more on sunkens and expos to waste his time walking around the map and making him open for mutalisk harass/backdoor.

Be very drone heavy. Remember to upgrade your mutas, having 1-1 vs 0-0 is a huge diffrence, don't be the guy with 0-0.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
May 13 2007 00:39 GMT
#17
idk if its been said but

early/mid=mutaling
later=muta/hydra/DEFILER
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
May 13 2007 00:54 GMT
#18
How does ling/hydra fare vs Goli?
My guess is it would do ok?
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
May 13 2007 00:58 GMT
#19
On May 13 2007 09:54 SuperJongMan wrote:
How does ling/hydra fare vs Goli?
My guess is it would do ok?


bad
unless defiler
then good
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Sr18
Profile Joined April 2006
Netherlands1141 Posts
May 13 2007 01:00 GMT
#20
I'd rather go pure hydra than ling/hydra as ling/hydra will allow the goliaths in the back to rape the lings while you can't yet touch them. Ling/hydra effectively allows every goliath to attack, and since lings vs gols only work if the gols are distracted (ie; not shooting at the lings), you will probably find your lings to not be very effective.
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
May 13 2007 01:10 GMT
#21
On May 13 2007 05:43 unknown.sam wrote:
mutaling for sure...golies dont do shit against mutas...so you got the mutas taking all the damage, while you have lings finishing the golies


O Rly?
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QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
May 13 2007 01:55 GMT
#22
Savior that game, had very little lings and a shitload of muta. In a pure muta/goliath fight, its 55-45 in favor of mutas, but boxer pulled off some tricky ass difficult micro there, not many people can do.
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20666 Posts
May 13 2007 02:18 GMT
#23
sAviOr I think played that riskily. He wanted to end the game there, so he committed to all-out battle.

YellOw vs BoxeR is a better example of muta vs goli. It's from Superfight 1; YellOw doesn't actually engage in huge battles, he just goes around and kills random scvs, turrets, depots, outlier goliaths, all the while expanding to every gas multi.

BoxeR wanders around trying to defend everywhere, but because golis are so slow and ungainly, he can't. Eventually YellOw just gets critical mutalisk mass, adds in a few queens, and goes all in to infest -_-;

incidentally, muta/queen is quite good. It's one less mutalisk per queen, but ensnare is good, and infest means you only have to do half as much damage to a cc to kill it.
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
May 13 2007 02:25 GMT
#24
This is why I play Z against those moronic people in my school who think massing Tank + Goliath > all
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[jOyO]
Profile Joined July 2006
United States920 Posts
May 13 2007 02:50 GMT
#25
Early goliaths is easily beaten because you can get 12 or so ling with your initial muta force and kill 10-15 gols. If the terran fast expoed into goliath and you didn't kill him you better scramble to out-expo him or you are going to get hit hard. And as a side note, goliaths with the range upgrade can kill mutalisks if there are like 5-10 more gols than mutas. Watch out for bat/medic/goliath, that shit will kick your ass.
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Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-13 04:11:29
May 13 2007 04:01 GMT
#26
bat medic goliath? lol.

edit: goliath OWN muta..
small numbers no, larger numbers (whats important) yes.
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YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
May 13 2007 04:11 GMT
#27
On May 13 2007 11:50 [jOyO] wrote:
Early goliaths is easily beaten because you can get 12 or so ling with your initial muta force and kill 10-15 gols. If the terran fast expoed into goliath and you didn't kill him you better scramble to out-expo him or you are going to get hit hard. And as a side note, goliaths with the range upgrade can kill mutalisks if there are like 5-10 more gols than mutas. Watch out for bat/medic/goliath, that shit will kick your ass.

watch out for bc/carrier combo too. one time that owned me so hard.
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Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
May 13 2007 05:31 GMT
#28
On May 13 2007 13:01 Reason wrote:
bat medic goliath? lol.

edit: goliath OWN muta..
small numbers no, larger numbers (whats important) yes.


you've certainly have not played very much this game. Muta > Goliath. and if you get large numbers, then you can leave the base without risking it to be obliterated.

mobility > goliaths
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23340 Posts
May 13 2007 05:34 GMT
#29
If you scout bat/med/gol if then just make a few lurkers..
Pads
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
England3228 Posts
May 13 2007 05:35 GMT
#30
Queens ;]
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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-13 06:22:37
May 13 2007 06:20 GMT
#31
Mutalisks and hydralisks only.
Muta ling can work but meh.
Either mutas + all expands. Or Muta + hydralisk.
It is very efficient and you can kill a terran with almost equal minerals with it. (Muta hydra)

I say almost because there is a point once terran gets a certain number of tanks that you will go more heavily into mutas and you will need a lot more minerals.

They won't have gas for anything else on most maps, as most mech users only have their natural.
So too many tanks = muta death.
Too few tanks = muta + hydra death.
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Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
May 13 2007 06:34 GMT
#32
I have played a lot of this game.
I like to fast expand with 2 armories and pump goliaths, mixing in tanks if they heavy hydra/lurker.
I do not lose to mutalisks, or their mobility.
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w3jjjj
Profile Joined April 2007
United States760 Posts
May 13 2007 09:19 GMT
#33
thx a bunch guys!

one more question, on maps where the mineral only can be easily taken (LT, Longinus, etc) , i have big troubles outexpo the terran as a 3 base terran can max 200/200 really quick, and the maps make harrasing difficult as he doesn't really need mobility just sitting at home. do i just leave him alone and focus on macro or is there some harrassing techniques against a defensive guy? the big puch of the first 40 golies usually take me out..>.<
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w3jjjj
Profile Joined April 2007
United States760 Posts
May 13 2007 09:21 GMT
#34
and yea i'm not used to this match up, against regular terran play i'm at least 5 times better, (1000 times more experienced? lol) thx for all the tips
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
May 13 2007 09:58 GMT
#35
On May 13 2007 13:01 Reason wrote:
bat medic goliath? lol.


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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
May 13 2007 23:11 GMT
#36
If somebody beats mech T with GI's advice in the Zv7T thread (Devourer + Queen + Overlord), I will laugh.








At the T player, that is.
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wXs.Havok
Profile Joined October 2006
Argentina529 Posts
May 13 2007 23:47 GMT
#37
harass, if u dont do so, ull be forced into late game macro!

Now, its easier to macro from 2 bases than those 5 bases u getting =P.

Get the mayor ammount of geysers. Try harassing all the time, he wont have the mobility of the marines.

Do it till u get muta/ling or hydras upgrades. You can also lurk tech while muta/ling just for some drops, not something like getting 10 lurkers and going to the front.

MECH UNITS are very strong, so you must realize that if u let him do whatever he wants, he will end up beating you.

Mech units can also mean some valkyries (rarely used but very effective) so you better scout his ass all the time.

Ensare and Plague will rule his ass.

Yes, you have to break your ass to beat the mecha. But you have to break your ass to beat marines and medics so ... its just like another MU you have to add =P
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