! [G] iNc advice for Z's - Page 6

On February 08 2007 14:55 5HITCOMBO wrote:

There is a really professional hard way to do it that involves having a "center of gravity" and stuff, but I'll teach you two easy ways:

1) Click unload all and target the minimap. Less precise, but perfect spread.
2) Do the normal drop, but then select half of your lords and drop again nearby, then start selecting individual lords and have them unload all upon themselves. They'll do a moving drop.

The hard way to do it:

Group your overlords so that they are in some sort of geometric formation (square, circle, triangle, etc.). Move them towards an opponent's base. Make sure the center of your formation is aligned with where you want to drop, and click unload all on that point. Hopefully, your units will unload all at once. If not, your formation will break and you'll do a regular one by one retard drop... which is why I usually use the minimap instead.

I've been thinking about doing it by having a group of full overlords going towards an opponent's base selected with an overlord you have at your base (july muta harass style) and then unloading all upon a certain spot. I think it would work in much the same way that the center of gravity thing would, but I haven't tested it yet. I'll get back to you on that.

On February 09 2007 03:58 Ash wrote:


I tried the first way you mentioned earlier today but my overlords still stick together when they reach the target place to drop, I basically selected all my overlords then pressed "u" and click on the mini map. Any ideas why it doesnt work for me?

On February 08 2007 23:38 IdiotWind wrote:
This thread is pretty amazing. I have a pretty specific (and probably easy to answer) question. When you go lurk first VS Terran (I usually go muta first so I feel a little out of my element here) what do you do with your lurkers when you make them? Just sit them in the middle of the map and contain? Hold lurker? Set them up in different places? Defend ur expos? Also, at what point will you be generally getting your 3rd gas, assuming they 2 rax or 1 rax expo?

Sorry for so many questions in one, thanks for all the help you've been so far!

On February 11 2007 06:27 EndRoll wrote:
umm i would like to ask how iNc u use the f2f3f4 keys? i found this key are very useful for controling the expansion while microing the army outside. So how will u set the screen postions to those function keys? personally i set f2 for main f3 for first expansion f4 for second expansion but i hv problem with the third fourth expansion and so on... umm sry for my bad english

On January 29 2007 02:23 {88}iNcontroL wrote:


Best thing a P can do vs muta harrass is combo of cannon / archon at mineral line or storm than sair. Pretty basic.

On February 13 2007 12:11 {88}iNcontroL wrote:


Your english is fine H elluva lot better than my mandarin/cantonese! I don't use f2f3f4 but I have been meaning to incorporate it. I will try it tonight or soon and get back to you

On February 13 2007 19:18 Dendra wrote:

been inactive a bit so didn't notice this thread until now.

if we're talking about early muta harass:
1.how exactly do you suppose protoss can have both sairs,archons and storms in time before mutas? in most cases you have around 2cors+cannons or 2ht with storms when mutas arrive.
2.protoss can't afford making corsairs because it makes him vulnerable to fake mutas into 3hat hydra push-example zerg puts spire in "not obvius place but you can still see it" and hides his real hydra tech. 3hat hydra push makes toss life really hard cuz if u don't make a perfect bo to counter it u'r dead-especially if z's got some micro skills.

so my question is what's the best solution to 3hat hydra push that doesn't put u behind 2much?-yes,you can always go fast storm but then u'r low on army and let zerg take map control and by the time u get an army going he'll have some massive mondy style lurk contain.

you can go fast exp but u have to know he goes 3hat hydras so u have enough amount of cannons. so far i've found 1gate opening into 2gate +1 speed lots not bad-but i get a feeling if zerg mixes up lings with those hydras i'll get killed again. also let's say u went 1gate/stargate classical cors+dt opening and you see zerg goes that nasty push-what can you do at that point?-again situation is u have let's say storm coming but again u have to play passive and he manages to sneak an overlord so your dt is pretty useless,so your options are kinda limited.

On February 14 2007 05:55 EndRoll wrote:


Thanks for your reply. Sorry but I have another question about zvp. In most games of zvp i just dunno how to play. Should I use 4-hatch hydra?4 hatch ling? 3 - hatch hydra? lurker ling? muta? And I am so confused with the variety that zerg can play in zvp. Unlike zvt, which 3 hatch muta or 2 hatch lurkers can deal with most stiuation. What is your most common strategy in zvp? or are there any rules for you to decide whether you use hydra or muta in early game? Lurker in zvp is used to contain p for zerg to tech fast to hive, is this correct?

Thanks

On February 13 2007 19:18 Dendra wrote:
if we're talking about early muta harass:
1.how exactly do you suppose protoss can have both sairs,archons and storms in time before mutas? in most cases you have around 2cors+cannons or 2ht with storms when mutas arrive.
2.protoss can't afford making corsairs because it makes him vulnerable to fake mutas into 3hat hydra push-example zerg puts spire in "not obvius place but you can still see it" and hides his real hydra tech. 3hat hydra push makes toss life really hard cuz if u don't make a perfect bo to counter it u'r dead-especially if z's got some micro skills.

so my question is what's the best solution to 3hat hydra push that doesn't put u behind 2much?-yes,you can always go fast storm but then u'r low on army and let zerg take map control and by the time u get an army going he'll have some massive mondy style lurk contain.

you can go fast exp but u have to know he goes 3hat hydras so u have enough amount of cannons. so far i've found 1gate opening into 2gate +1 speed lots not bad-but i get a feeling if zerg mixes up lings with those hydras i'll get killed again.

also let's say u went 1gate/stargate classical cors+dt opening and you see zerg goes that nasty push-what can you do at that point?-again situation is u have let's say storm coming but again u have to play passive and he manages to sneak an overlord so your dt is pretty useless,so your options are kinda limited.

On February 15 2007 14:49 5HITCOMBO wrote:

You should have +1 researching, storm researching, and your second nexus running. Add 2-3 gates. If you can't beat 3 hat hydras with +1 speedlots and storm (with dt, even, but you really don't have to make more than 2 dt with this build, if any at all - basically, they're just to delay the zerg until his lord speed completes or until his slow lord pushes across the map with hydras, then patrol expos, which makes it extremely hard for a zerg to expand like a whore), maybe you should switch to zerg because they're so extremely imbalanced.