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Osaka27149 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-17 07:19:00
January 17 2007 07:18 GMT
#1
The following is a post fromt eh translation board at PgR21. It was done by CheNyeomToss and the original post can be found by clicking here.

Hello, everyone!

I'm CheNyeomToss.

Today, I suggest to analyze Light[aLive]'s sparkling control in the game from the semi-playoffs.

What is so unique when he's in the game?

Somebody said, one would meet the situation that everything goes against oneself and
the game is helplessly over, pulled along to Light[aLive]'s intention.
That’s why he is called as...

The Dark Sorcerer, the man who spellbinds.

Ha Ha! I don't know how he earned it though.
(By the way, isn't Goodfriend called as the man who takes interests away? ^^)

Let's feel the control of the Dark Sorcerer.

[image loading]


Before this scene, Light[aLive]'s tanks got Free[gm]'s 2 ambitious Reavers.
Now, his tanks get a chance to move forward little by little.

However, they are not moving as a whole but apart. 3 of them are turned on Siege-Mode,
but the rest are moving down. He might have 'plans'.

[image loading]


About six Dragoons are attacking the Engineering Bay.
Oh, while dragoons are doing so, the 3 tanks hit one of them with Arclite Cannons.

The Dragoons can't just hold it, because they got a blow first.
They’re moving one step forward...


[image loading]


Oohh, one of them gets hit in the head by the 3 early Tanks on Siege Mode
to be a blue 'melted ice cream'. (Silent prayer for it...)

However Free[gm] doesn't fly into a rage and he withdraws
the remaining Dragoons toward his base.

Free[gm] had a little loss by Light[aLive]’s trap even though it was not so serious.

What is your opinion? Do you see it was just a happening that 3 Tanks allured silly Dragoons?
Was it a pure coincidence?

I see it as the origin of his 'sorcery'.

OK, let's talk about the best highlight of the game.

[image loading]


Light[aLive]'s Tanks have safely sit down in front of the opponent's entrance
while Free[gm]'s Reaver was away for a raid.

My gosh, A dragoon stepped out for nothing and turned into a melted ice cream.
The others should be careful with it. Shall we see how many units each has?

[image loading]


Take a look at Free[gm]'s. 13 or 14 Dragoons are there and 3 Shuttles are floating in the sky.
More than 8 Zealots are expected aboard.

It seems that 3 Shuttles will drop Zealots around the Tanks, and then Dragoons will make
a frontal attack—looks very strong.

Good to go? All right. Let's take a look at Terran’s troop arrangement.

[image loading]


Terran positioned 6 Tanks in the front, 2 Tanks in the rear.
It also scattered Spider Mines around and had an SCV make a Terran Missile Turret.

Meanwhile the linear containment looks not bad,
but it seems hard to fight against Dragoons and more than 8 Zealots in the 3 Shuttles.
The number of Vultures around the Tanks is relatively small,
and the terrain is not so narrow for surrounding attacks by Protoss.

[image loading]


It's going fast now.
Free[gm]'s Shuttle has just recieved an attack order,
but at the same time Light[aLive] releases 3 Tanks off the Siege Mode.
Did he lose his mind?
Anyway, he continuously moves the 3 Tanks to the rear!
Zealots touch down off the 3 Speed-Up-Shuttles at the same time.

[image loading]


My gosh, is Light[aLive] a genius????

He could minimize his damage from the Zealots which was targeted on the seiged Tanks,
owing to those Tanks moved to the rear.
Also, he could avoid getting damaged by the other Tanks on Siege Mode.

[image loading]


What a surprise! How could he figure out the exact Shuttle-raid time?
Apparently, he didn't use scans, nor his mines were attacked yet.

What an astonishing sixth-sense he showed!

Thanks to the foresight of the earlier back-off Tanks,
Terran is sweeping the other Zealots around the Tanks with a few Vultures.

[image loading]


Alas, the Shuttles were shot down by the Turret and Zealots are almost gone...
Light[aLive] wasn't damaged except for the 3 Siege-Mode-Tanks at the front.
Great job.

[image loading]


Right after the Zealots are gone, the 3 Tanks in the Tank mode turn into Seige mode again!!

Free[gm] only has Dragoons.
Light[aLive]'s reaction to the situation is very skillful...
Would he have thought everything?

[image loading]


My God, if you are playing Protoss, you wouldn't want to watch this scene.

The rushing Dragoons are melted away....by the unmerciful Tanks.....
And some unlucky friends....stepped on the Spider Mines, too.

Vultures are covering the Tanks... Perfect.
Light[aLive], what a great unit control he shows.

[image loading]


The man who got spellbound, Free[gm]is sighing.

If he displayed all the striking power he had,
he would have wiped those Tanks away with his 3 Shuttles and a mass of Dragoons.

He was owned by Light[aLive]'s prepare-all-in-advance play.

I think this is his Dark Sorcery.
It means the way he spellbinds the opponent into his perfect trap.

Of course, it seems impossible without his crazy sixth-sense.

The Conclusion for Today: Light[aLive] is a Super Terran.

In an interview with Tae-gi Ha, the MBC Game Hero's Head Coach

-Why did you decide to appoint Light[Alive] to the last match vs. Hanbit?

▶ Light[aLive] plays very entertaining games when practicing. Some of his games are unbelievable,
making me wonder if such come-from-behind victories are ever possible in StarCraft.
It is a pity that we cannot broadcast all of his games.(laugh)
I was impressed with his immediate Siege-Mode turn-off and moving three tanks to the rear
in such an acute situation. He is a blameless player with a good judgment and an accurate control.
(clipped from Fighterforum)


Since we cant register on PgR yet, I thought we could discuss it here. Any thoughts?

Personally I think Light's original tanks alignment was pretty vulnerable with the huge clumps of tanks up front, and that his timing was just fortunate that he was reorganizing when P tried to break out. That being said, I think it shows the huge advantage of having several smaller "walls" of tanks, rather than a single long big wall of tanks. His vulture support from the back and lone turret made it possible for him to handle the 8 zealot bombs, which under normal circumstances should have cracked that containment.
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QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
January 17 2007 07:49 GMT
#2
Light showed great intuition, but I think it was more Free who lost the game. Took a gamble with the excessive reaver drops,(Doing little damage overall.) not timing his first assault with the goons and the shuttle at the same time.( Woulda helped reduced the damage present and woulda probably got clear shots over the unsieged tanks.) and if I'm not mistaken, he shoulda waited for more units. (But then again, he probably felt confident enough to defeat the army do the sheer size of light's army.)

I still feel daezang or ggplay shoulda played that game..fuck
Cpt Obvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany3073 Posts
January 17 2007 07:57 GMT
#3
i feel the urge to call it lucky, but too many pro gamers have proven us all wrong, so maybe Light is the new Boxer

the english translation still has the exaggerative korean fingerprint in it, i love that!
thanks for sharing.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
January 17 2007 08:01 GMT
#4
I'm astonished more at the fact that they gave a nickname like 黒魔術師 to Light --;;
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
January 17 2007 08:05 GMT
#5
wow, after seeing so much analysis on this PROPS to the guy on PgR who wrote this :OOO
i think i've seen enough of Light's games to know hes one of my favorites but I think another game like this makes me a TRUE fan
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 17 2007 08:07 GMT
#6
it kinda seems like the one article about canata's tvz, over analysis of well executed but common tactics.
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Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
January 17 2007 08:22 GMT
#7
On January:07 IdrA wrote:
it kinda seems like the one article about canata's tvz, over analysis of well executed but common tactics.

i have to agree, canata and light are great players but over analyzing 1~3 scenes that could be random or lucky seems overdone
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
January 17 2007 08:22 GMT
#8
I agree with Mani. Nevertheless, a nice article, and Light really is a monster TvP, it's quite a bit better than his praised TvZ imho.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
January 17 2007 08:38 GMT
#9
He knew he was going to get zealot bombed, those 6 tanks in front were clumped, he decided to fix it by unsieging 3 and spread them out, and it just so happens that free[gm] attacks at that point.

I don't think theres anything more to it than that...
HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
January 17 2007 09:06 GMT
#10
Indeed, typical pgr-style over-analysis + exaggeration.

But they do it well, no? I'm now convinced that Light could beat Satan in a Bo7 for the world's humanity.
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airdave519
Profile Joined March 2005
United States111 Posts
January 17 2007 09:07 GMT
#11
Light is definetely fun to watch. I've been enjoying Light, Upmagic, FBH and even hwasin lately. Maybe one or all of them will usher in a new style of terran dominance
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
January 17 2007 09:24 GMT
#12
i thought there was a terran dominance befoer savior :O
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-17 12:56:23
January 17 2007 09:51 GMT
#13
On January 17 2007 17:07 IdrA wrote:
it kinda seems like the one article about canata's tvz, over analysis of well executed but common tactics.


My thoughts exactly

Edit: but still entertaining nonetheless. Can't wait for more of these~!
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Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 17 2007 10:24 GMT
#14
absolutely nothing special. And WAY to long.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2003
England2183 Posts
January 17 2007 10:38 GMT
#15
My gosh, A dragoon stepped out for nothing and turned into a melted ice cream.
The others should be careful with it.
lols

it's definitely over analysed, but i still found it a fun read personally. mucho respect to the guy who spent time doing this, i for one appreciate the service he's doing!
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ZaplinG
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3818 Posts
January 17 2007 10:43 GMT
#16
If only I could make pages and pages out of nothing for my english assignments as persuasive and emphatic as Chenyeom does about this....

I would be acheiving 100% on every paper ^^
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Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
January 17 2007 10:48 GMT
#17
On January 17 2007 19:43 ZaplinG wrote:
If only I could make pages and pages out of nothing for my english assignments as persuasive and emphatic as Chenyeom does about this....

I would be acheiving 100% on every paper ^^

lol you just gotta exaggerate a little bit. Not too much. Just start with things like "super" and "black sorcerer".

I read this report already in Korean and it was a great read. Though I must admit that it is sort of over analyzed, it is these little details that remind me what makes SC so interesting.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
January 17 2007 11:01 GMT
#18
Oohh, one of them gets hit in the head by the 3 early Tanks on Siege Mode
to be a blue 'melted ice cream'. (Silent prayer for it...)


lmao
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Vietnam1555 Posts
January 17 2007 11:22 GMT
#19
Articles like this are great to show ppl with no or little knowledge about Starcraft the sophisticatedness of the game Love to read them, remind me of famous Chinese old tales of great battles in their ancient history (like the Three Nations Romance etc) - exaggerative yet very intriguring.
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Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
January 17 2007 11:26 GMT
#20
On January 17 2007 17:01 thedeadhaji wrote:
I'm astonished more at the fact that they gave a nickname like 黒魔術師 to Light --;;

What does it mean.

When it comes to Chinese characters.. young Koreans such as myself say gg.

I can probably look them up by letter but those 4 together probably have a deeper meaning.
('''(G_G/'''')
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
January 17 2007 12:12 GMT
#21
Nice read indeed. I think it was a bit lucky from lights side that free timed wrong his attack ;\ still he has done something very good, i hope to see more of this flash of brilliances =)
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-17 12:56:32
January 17 2007 12:47 GMT
#22
Light, the Dark Sorcerer? Nice. edit: They should call him...the one who is but two faces of the same coin, both yin and yang, light and dark, manipulator of cosmic forces, magician of the shifting sands, guardian of the past and keeper of the future, the sage of the ages.

I'm a little confused here, though, because I didn't see the game. Where are the dragoons when the zeals are being dropped? A full screen away, like the screenshots indicate? So there was also a micro mistake on the part of the toss?

Some of the drawings on the pictures are a bit cute too, not just the words. Like the backwards C-shaped tank formation in the first picture. Obviously that was key, to have a C shape instead of a straight line, so they don't just draw a circle around those tanks.
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
January 17 2007 13:06 GMT
#23
wtf I thought I was going to get some amazing tvp trick that I would use. Looks a lot like lucky to me T_T
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Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
January 17 2007 14:31 GMT
#24
On January 17 2007 20:26 Heen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2007 17:01 thedeadhaji wrote:
I'm astonished more at the fact that they gave a nickname like 黒魔術師 to Light --;;

What does it mean.

When it comes to Chinese characters.. young Koreans such as myself say gg.

I can probably look them up by letter but those 4 together probably have a deeper meaning.

It meas "Dark Magician"

Well iono why didn't toss attack with goon/shuttle together but instead attacked w/ shuttle first then with goon? :<
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Korea (South)2 Posts
January 17 2007 15:49 GMT
#25
to Heen/
黒魔術師 might go with the black sorcerer.
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5094 Posts
January 17 2007 17:56 GMT
#26
the ppl over at pgr should consider becoming car salesmen.

shit i was washed over with the words "sixth sense", "dark sorcerer", "spellbind" and "melted ice-cream" i nearly wanted to jump up and proclaim im gona switch to terran from now on.

but no
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
January 17 2007 20:17 GMT
#27
i think it was terrible timing by the protoss? normally, when the tanks are unsieged, you should immediately attack with goons, right? and not wait until all zealots are dead.
DaZe
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Sweden2111 Posts
January 17 2007 20:26 GMT
#28
On January 17 2007 17:07 IdrA wrote:
it kinda seems like the one article about canata's tvz, over analysis of well executed but common tactics.
Xeofreestyler
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Belgium6771 Posts
January 18 2007 00:37 GMT
#29
Oh come on that was just plain cool

Thanks pgr21 <3
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United States2720 Posts
January 18 2007 01:08 GMT
#30
On January 17 2007 20:26 Heen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2007 17:01 thedeadhaji wrote:
I'm astonished more at the fact that they gave a nickname like 黒魔術師 to Light --;;

What does it mean.

When it comes to Chinese characters.. young Koreans such as myself say gg.

I can probably look them up by letter but those 4 together probably have a deeper meaning.


It means Dark Magician, no deeper meaning. Sounds like a Yugioh name, haha
But Garimto was always more than just a Protoss...
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Profile Joined November 2006
Canada151 Posts
January 18 2007 01:31 GMT
#31
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Profile Joined January 2007
Korea (South)2 Posts
January 18 2007 01:34 GMT
#32
On January 18 2007 02:56 pyrogenetix wrote:
the ppl over at pgr should consider becoming car salesmen.

shit i was washed over with the words "sixth sense", "dark sorcerer", "spellbind" and "melted ice-cream" i nearly wanted to jump up and proclaim im gona switch to terran from now on.

but no


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Jamaica11586 Posts
January 18 2007 02:00 GMT
#33
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pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5094 Posts
January 18 2007 02:14 GMT
#34
but in all honesty that guy kicks ass
was it over exagerated blown out of proportion?
hells yes
but do we still love him for bringing us awesome sc content?
hells yes =D
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
MaZza[KIS]
Profile Joined December 2005
Australia2110 Posts
January 22 2007 16:08 GMT
#35
On January 17 2007 17:38 skyglow1 wrote:
He knew he was going to get zealot bombed, those 6 tanks in front were clumped, he decided to fix it by unsieging 3 and spread them out, and it just so happens that free[gm] attacks at that point.

I don't think theres anything more to it than that...


I agree with this completely... my thoughts exactly!
I really wanted a bigger opponent, like Nate Marquardt, or King Neptune, or Zeus, or Zeus and Fedor, or Fedor on Zeus's shoulders, and they can both punch but only Zeus can kick.
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United States533 Posts
January 22 2007 16:40 GMT
#36
On January 18 2007 10:31 Target wrote:
who he think he is? the guy from fox sports?


lol
Yogurt
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United States4258 Posts
January 23 2007 08:51 GMT
#37
hahaha

one of the better translations i have read

very nice read
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Romania2510 Posts
January 23 2007 20:39 GMT
#38
that was a nice story
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United States10657 Posts
January 26 2007 17:57 GMT
#39
Damn that guy could make any game sound amazing lol. Great writing.
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Slovakia3201 Posts
January 27 2007 02:01 GMT
#40
On January 17 2007 17:38 skyglow1 wrote:
He knew he was going to get zealot bombed, those 6 tanks in front were clumped, he decided to fix it by unsieging 3 and spread them out, and it just so happens that free[gm] attacks at that point.

I don't think theres anything more to it than that...

lol exactly my thoughts when i've read that part
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Korea (South)11579 Posts
January 28 2007 04:46 GMT
#41
On January 18 2007 11:14 pyrogenetix wrote:
but in all honesty that guy kicks ass
was it over exagerated blown out of proportion?
hells yes
but do we still love him for bringing us awesome sc content?
hells yes =D


ditto
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Profile Joined January 2007
Korea (South)4 Posts
March 02 2007 13:00 GMT
#42
Great.
thx to all of us
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svenneburner
Profile Joined March 2007
Sweden64 Posts
March 02 2007 14:17 GMT
#43
nice for him who made it but i think its "too much" analyzise.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Cameroon1767 Posts
March 02 2007 21:39 GMT
#44
Also I think there is a strategical depthness in korean sc that foreigners generally don't have. Outsiders play more straightforward and don't micro that hard, koreans have a deeper understanding of unit formations etc I think.

Although it felt a bit exaggarated
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Profile Joined October 2006
Canada933 Posts
March 03 2007 03:24 GMT
#45
Light played good, but to me Free lost the game, light didn't win it.
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Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
March 03 2007 06:18 GMT
#46
Looks awesome, but i didnt understand a thing.

What the deuce did he do exactly? He unsieged the tanks to fight the zealots and then sieged back on to kill the dragoons? Wouldnt that be a timing mistake from the protoss rather who didnt synchornize his attack?

Or was something to do with ubber positioning/targetting right units along with super duper micro "I didnt lose a single tank, 5 tanks vs 12 zealots gg no re ez"?
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