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SixSongs
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Poland1455 Posts
March 15 2006 06:32 GMT
#21
Im a zerg and I have to say that 2 port wraiths can be deadly, especially if terran knows what's doing. And can micro em wraiths. Bad spore placement can cost zerg if not a game, a big economic slum. If terran can keep zerg busy with wraiths and at the same time do some ground army/ or expo he gains a big advantage. And in many cases its just a matter of time for z to say GG. So Wriaths in tvz are not somethin you should be using every game, but you can try it from time to time.
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Sequence~
Profile Joined February 2006
United States418 Posts
March 15 2006 07:17 GMT
#22
Look at Sadist vs Midian on Requiem!

its in the replay section on this site.
ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
March 15 2006 07:33 GMT
#23
I like doing wraiths but as some people have already pointed out other openings are a lot safer, and you need great micro.
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Ice_MY
Profile Joined December 2005
Malaysia164 Posts
March 15 2006 09:09 GMT
#24
I'm not really talking about rushing to wraiths, more like what iloveoov did vs jju in the ProLeague finals....

Expand and then get 2ports and then go wraiths

But the few times i go wraith i get owned by hydralurker xD
I-Emerge
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States435 Posts
March 15 2006 09:10 GMT
#25
Chronicles

When I first got that rep form a frined months ago, he told me it was julyzerg playing vs boxer.

Did anyone notice the Wraith vs Scourge at the 5 o'clcck expo at end? <---Pimp Play
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ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
March 15 2006 19:36 GMT
#26
Wraith in TvZ is a lost art. Only a handful of people do it now and whenever I see it done nowadays I smile

Usually I would just do it when the terrain fits it like if I can block at 9 on LT or just certain maps its good for like Raid Assault, etc etc.


Oh also if you want to see a cool replay for going wraith after you expand or something and u have a replay converter, I'd suggest downloading an old replay of iloveoov(@3) vs ZerG[MGW] (@9) on LT. I think its ZerG[MGW] but he goes 4 hatch ling lurker and iloveoov goes wraith to punish him a bit.

Wraith is pretty good vs defiler. Alot of people used to do it awhile ago.
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T-BoT[pL]
Profile Joined May 2005
Poland241 Posts
March 15 2006 19:57 GMT
#27
wrights are good to harass, but u must feel the moment when u should switch to m/m, if u not - u loose
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
March 15 2006 20:14 GMT
#28
http://teamliquid.net/replay/download.php?replay=624

That is another good replay of oov going wraiths in TvZ. (Possibly the game YoiChiBow mentions)
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2606 Posts
March 15 2006 20:57 GMT
#29
If zerg defends well (good spore placement) T will have a hard time doing damage, and because of that Z should be able to both put pressure on the T to not expand (or waste a lot of resources expanding) and expanding himself at the same time. Then using superior resources to tackle 3 rax 2 port vessels with hydra/lurk/(defiler).
The transition period between wraiths and standard play can be really hard, wraiths have very poor defensive value so it will be hard to take the expo without getting tanks/bunker and the same force that's threating to attack you can secure 2 more expoes for the zerg.
So you need to do damage to the zerg early on.

Most Z should probably work on their spore placment, there's no need to fast counter wraiths or try to kill them, simply denying any chance to do damage and your in great shape.
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oddeye
Profile Joined March 2005
Canada716 Posts
March 15 2006 21:36 GMT
#30
They really are micro intensive, quite weak I think, and hydra or muta rape them.
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Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
March 15 2006 23:21 GMT
#31
On March 16 2006 06:36 oddeye wrote:
They really are micro intensive, quite weak I think, and hydra or muta rape them.

wraith micro > zerg tho
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ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
March 16 2006 02:30 GMT
#32
On March 16 2006 05:14 jello_biafra wrote:
http://teamliquid.net/replay/download.php?replay=624

That is another good replay of oov going wraiths in TvZ. (Possibly the game YoiChiBow mentions)


na, thats just a rape :D
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5HITCOMBO
Profile Joined March 2006
Japan2239 Posts
March 24 2006 08:23 GMT
#33
2 port is good mainly on LT because it forces the zerg to go ol speed before drop, allowing the terran to drop tanks on a cliff if the zerg counters with hydras. If the zerg counters with muta, the terran can safely keep his expand and use the 2 gas to transition to dual ebay m/m and heavy sci vessels, which is hard for a zerg to fight.

Any other map without an expo cliff decreases the power of wraiths because the zerg can go hydras with no worries about getting drop first.
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b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
March 24 2006 08:33 GMT
#34
go wraiths late game, it helps u make a comeback won 2-3 games going wraiths late game(assuming both of u and ur opponents have very little minerals left)
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28653 Posts
March 24 2006 10:00 GMT
#35
I absolutely looove facing early 2 starport wraith.

I dislike facing lategame wraith against my scourge queen defiler ling ultra, although it depends. if I have enough gas for lots of ultras it's fine, cause the wraiths will only be dealing 2 damage a hit to them. but if I'm low on gas then wraiths are a fucking bitch.
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5HITCOMBO
Profile Joined March 2006
Japan2239 Posts
March 24 2006 10:00 GMT
#36
Late game wraiths are strong if the opponent is going guardian or mass cracklings/ultralisks. If they have hydras, though, it's still too heavy an investment of gas; you'd be better off with mass sci.
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tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-03-25 00:44:10
March 24 2006 12:36 GMT
#37
Did you see in the pimpest plays 2005 - ensnare rapes mass wraiths with scourge clone/mutas.

This is coincidence maybe but today I just vsed someone who went 2 port wraiths. I went 3 hatch and didn't expect it but he kept blocking my gas which pissed me off so I switched to 3 hatch ling burrow/speed upgrade. It turns out that he didn't block his base and I got in with around 36 lings in his base when he was 2 porting and I basically destroyed him even with his vulture micro. Also I had switched to hydras.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
March 24 2006 13:50 GMT
#38
Dont try wraith against 1 base zerg -_-;;.
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iloveyou[KTF]
Profile Joined March 2006
Korea (South)113 Posts
March 24 2006 14:15 GMT
#39
wraiths will catch them off guard and if u are good enough with harss then they will be forced to make spores --> what a waste of money for zerg.

- wraith works occasionally as two port and u can work it in with science vessels irradiate + defense matrix on wraiths

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Zeto
Profile Joined January 2005
United States2290 Posts
March 24 2006 14:26 GMT
#40
I always do it when I go against someone random and scout them to be Zerg. I switch to full mnm after some harrass. It works pretty well you just can't stick to them the whole game unless you're Boxer or something, it's more like early cheese/harrass.
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