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Ice_MY
Profile Joined December 2005
Malaysia164 Posts
March 14 2006 23:21 GMT
#1
How viable are wraiths in TvZ? Can some good players (T and Z) give their input on this?

In what situations are wraiths useful?? And also do you use them to engage in direct battles or harassement etc?

Good reps are also welcomed
GroT
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Belgium3003 Posts
March 14 2006 23:27 GMT
#2
when LT was really popular people could do it on 6v9 positions


I think it's fairly weak but not unusable
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Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
March 14 2006 23:28 GMT
#3
yes, they fucking rox. I used them as one of my 3 strats for TvZ.
They're very VERY good harrassment tool at the very begining of the game. Going 2 port wraith is good because you'll put pressure on the zerg really quickly by killing ovies. You can research cloak to kill undefended ovies and reck havoc.

Zerg response to wraiths will be 99% of the time mutas, which you can fight with your cloaked wraiths. A follow-up i use for 2 port wraith is drop in main with 8 rines/ 7rines 1 med with stim to kill tech building (spire/pool/den) or if zerg made any spore colony.

If zerg went hydralurk, he wont probably leave more than 4 hydra per base to defend, and if you have like 10 wraiths micro them and take out all hydras, then ovies, cloak and kill. Also if he has researched speed ovie, if he sends his hydra mass after your wraiths, simply move to his expo and due to the terrain you'll be harrassing a lot.

I love them also because they usually piss zerg off.
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RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9947 Posts
March 14 2006 23:32 GMT
#4
They're viable if you are sure you're good with 2port vessel later on, ofcourse a map with cliffable expansions is always welcome.
Some T's also use them late game for defiler killing and scourge luring vs pure lurk/ling/scourge(/filer) mixes. I wouldnt advise on using them in direct battles
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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
March 14 2006 23:32 GMT
#5
http://www.ygclan.com/replay/download.yg?board=gosureplay&idx=54178

iloveoov vs Anomia on Neo Requiem
Some very nice wraith usage by oov
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BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
March 14 2006 23:40 GMT
#6
well first of all, obviously it's a common bulid for island maps

and it does work okay on other maps if you use them well, etc.. harass
but if the Z plays well and defends against ur wraiths, he would be at an advantage because he owuld probably have better economy and it's going to take a lil bit for you to switch back to mnm,, good thing is you already have the starports for vessels, BUT, you're going to be a little low on gas..

i would say unless you're exceptionally good at multitasking and harrassing, just go w/ other safer TvZ builds
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Not_Banned
Profile Joined January 2006
United States158 Posts
March 14 2006 23:43 GMT
#7
I am a zerg player with pretty decent muta micro so the wraiths are a definite possiblity for me considering the micro and harass is pretty much the same technique. The wraiths are good to kill ovies in beginning but a good zerg wont let you have more than 2 ovie kills so the cloak is a definite must because by time drop comes the zerg will have scourge. Then just micro around and snipe ovies before hydra get to defend them.
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
March 14 2006 23:43 GMT
#8
Boxer used to do it followed by a fast expo with mines if Zerg went Hydra/Lurk.
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Chronicles
Profile Joined March 2006
France17 Posts
March 14 2006 23:55 GMT
#9
Boxer has amazing wraith micro :p
I have a replay of him vs a korean zerg on requiem where he harasses zerg like mad. If you want it i can send to you e-mail~
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-03-15 00:40:27
March 15 2006 00:39 GMT
#10
Upload it to http://www.yousendit.com

Although it might have been linked here before (from ygclan) if the zerg is anomia and ends up winning :O
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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
March 15 2006 00:46 GMT
#11
On March 15 2006 09:39 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Upload it to http://www.yousendit.com

Although it might have been linked here before (from ygclan) if the zerg is anomia and ends up winning :O

There is one game between oov and anomia and one game between boxer and anomia. Both same positions, same map and terran's both go wraiths except boxer loses and oov wins.
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
March 15 2006 01:03 GMT
#12
He did it vs some Zerg not long ago in IntoTheDarkness i think : )
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DarkFenix
Profile Joined July 2003
217 Posts
March 15 2006 01:53 GMT
#13
There was an 1.09 rep of the marine vrs some korean going dual port In LT i guess.. I think harrasment plays a strong point to make this work out just fine
NewbSaibot
Profile Joined May 2004
3849 Posts
March 15 2006 02:23 GMT
#14
theres a nice little boxer or grot or somebody's build order that goes from a couple of wraiths to a few valkyries and then ultimately a typical tvz match with tanks and such. I found it kinda complicated to keep up with all the different unit types and when to use them, but still fun nontheless. It's main benefit seemed to be in stressing him over all the unit variety.
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breathe
Profile Joined February 2006
Poland426 Posts
March 15 2006 03:41 GMT
#15
There's a popular bo to 2port wraiths to 3rax rines/2port vessels. You shouldn't have any trouble finding the proper replays.
[-]Ocelot[-]
Profile Joined February 2006
United States256 Posts
March 15 2006 03:56 GMT
#16
I just played a game today, ZvT, where he rushed wraiths. I won.

Terrans that rush Wraith usually block their entrance so we zerg cant scout them. When I saw that, I went on my guard and built some spore in my expo and main, and went lurker/ling/hydra and beat him after he tried to use the wraiths to stop my lurks from owning his base. (I got them in because he moved out to expo, lifting his ramp block, and that's when I moved in.)

So I think it's okay as just an early harassment tool vs zerg.. but not 100% reliable.

I think it could also be good just to scout for expos that zerg will have.
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Chronicles
Profile Joined March 2006
France17 Posts
March 15 2006 04:06 GMT
#17
On March 15 2006 09:39 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Upload it to http://www.yousendit.com

Although it might have been linked here before (from ygclan) if the zerg is anomia and ends up winning :O


done. Replay is found here : http://d25.yousendit.com/C/1EJP3WK1353J72D36E653Q4H0Y/TvZ Boxer wraith use.rep

indeed zerg end up winning but i don't know if name is Anomia or not its korean language.
Boxer is at 9 while Zerg is at 3. Enjoy the wraith micro :p
PockyPocky
Profile Joined April 2005
Canada305 Posts
March 15 2006 04:54 GMT
#18
On March 15 2006 13:06 Chronicles wrote:
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On March 15 2006 09:39 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Upload it to http://www.yousendit.com

Although it might have been linked here before (from ygclan) if the zerg is anomia and ends up winning :O


done. Replay is found here : http://d25.yousendit.com/C/1EJP3WK1353J72D36E653Q4H0Y/TvZ Boxer wraith use.rep

indeed zerg end up winning but i don't know if name is Anomia or not its korean language.
Boxer is at 9 while Zerg is at 3. Enjoy the wraith micro :p


too bad boxer just let his m&m + tanks get raped without any micro
prOxi.swAMi
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3091 Posts
March 15 2006 05:42 GMT
#19
easy to say wraiths rape lords in 2 sec so how can zerg detect ur wraiths?

thing is zerg gets ensnare and it's gg -_-;
not only can zerg then see you but you're also slow as fuck..

dont get me wrong.. im sure progamers could make full use of wraiths to a game-winning extent but i can't see it being half as solid as the typical mnm/tank/vess

they are fun though, and isn't that wat gaming is about?

do what you like ^_^
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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
March 15 2006 05:48 GMT
#20
Wraiths are fun, but to be able to make it worth it you need like mad micro and/or luck

The price of a wraith is similar to a tank, and having 6 tanks instead of six wraith is a lot more safe way to go
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