EPT! [G] Day[9] - the logic of larvae - Page 4
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GroT
Belgium3003 Posts
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milkshake87
United States26 Posts
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Centric
United States1989 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
On November 07 2008 07:27 Centric wrote: Wow...was this bump really necessary? No. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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capek
United States585 Posts
On November 07 2008 07:25 milkshake87 wrote: in TvZ I would bring 2 firebats for the lings and then target lurks with marines; with 14 marines you could keep a couple supporting the firebats against the lings...keep medics out in front with the bats. I would definetely try to have at least a tank at this point though, rather than try to "boxer" my MnM against lurkers and risk a disaster. wow man. this is a revelation. i would never have thought to target the lurker, nor to bring a tank. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
On November 07 2008 08:28 capek wrote: wow man. this is a revelation. i would never have thought to target the lurker, nor to bring a tank. Sarcasm detected. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
On November 07 2008 07:32 AnOth3rDAy wrote: well you need to reduce the lurkercount... if the initial 4 gets reinforced with another 4 it starts getting scary for the mnms Depends where you are in the map. If you start at the zerg's nat, and they keep sacrificing a lurker+ling army to try to advance and you annihilate all of the lings, he is forced to stop, because you pick off a lurker, then back off, he advances (again with more lings), take off all of the lings, pick off a lurker, and back off again. Hopefully you can do this 2-3 times b/c by the time he's at your nat he's severely behind because he had to keep making lings and you should have macro'd up an army superior to his. I agree that you don't really have this choice if he's morphed them in front of your nat but that's when you should have tank tech or good mnm micro (SK terran) to get you out of that situation. I actually think that that's the reason FBH's TvP sucks. TvP you really have to keep a concentrated army and FBH is a fan of attacking, backing off, attacking, backing off, attacking, so on and so forth. He did this a lot against Bisu and as Terran you really have to position your units well and you're stuck once the attack actually starts. FBH did a lot of unseiging and moving while the battle was taking place, which is fine TvZ but in TvP you have to remember that the zeal/goon combo is going to eat you alive while you're trying to retreat. | ||
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
On November 07 2008 11:40 Avidkeystamper wrote: Is it a coinencidence his name ends in 87? close...but no cigar | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
On November 07 2008 12:47 thunk wrote: Depends where you are in the map. If you start at the zerg's nat, and they keep sacrificing a lurker+ling army to try to advance and you annihilate all of the lings, he is forced to stop, because you pick off a lurker, then back off, he advances (again with more lings), take off all of the lings, pick off a lurker, and back off again. Hopefully you can do this 2-3 times b/c by the time he's at your nat he's severely behind because he had to keep making lings and you should have macro'd up an army superior to his. I agree that you don't really have this choice if he's morphed them in front of your nat but that's when you should have tank tech or good mnm micro (SK terran) to get you out of that situation. I actually think that that's the reason FBH's TvP sucks. TvP you really have to keep a concentrated army and FBH is a fan of attacking, backing off, attacking, backing off, attacking, so on and so forth. He did this a lot against Bisu and as Terran you really have to position your units well and you're stuck once the attack actually starts. FBH did a lot of unseiging and moving while the battle was taking place, which is fine TvZ but in TvP you have to remember that the zeal/goon combo is going to eat you alive while you're trying to retreat. There are a lot of pros who retreat with success because they know when to retreat and when not too. Retreating is better than losing your whole army because you dont lose the bulk of your main army. You will lose bits and pieces while retreating but but not the main hanbang like forgg vs kal on athena. Its not retreating thats makes fbh lose but his terrible decision making and game sense in general for tvp. Also sometimes you have to move around such as better positioning or your units are getting stormed etc. I do agree that tvp is all about concentrated mass and imo one of the reasons why fbh, boxer, casy, hwasin's tvps arent as good as their other mus is because they emphasis too much on harass. I groan everytime they get attacked by toss and they are caught with too little vultures because they used them all on harassing. ( Hwasin vs bisu on byzantium -_- ) | ||
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