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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 17:14:27
September 15 2012 05:44 GMT
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Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
September 15 2012 06:52 GMT
#2
awwwww yeah its back I remember the original thread.. good stuff
Jaedong.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
September 15 2012 11:36 GMT
#3
Project 27: TvZ
(Bio) Instead of getting siege upgrade and tanks, get vult upgrades instead (mines and then speed). I'd imagine this would require a much higher micro ability, and would get owned bad if he got ovie speed really fast for no reason, but I'm curious to see what would happen if a player of your ability tried to pull it off.

First Impression: I don't see the point of vultures, since it'd get eaten alive from lurkers. Vultures can't kill lurkers that are burrowed or break sunken lines...
Results pending


Vultures + mines has become pretty standard it TvZ :O
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soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
September 15 2012 11:48 GMT
#4
if you ask a mod he can let you edit your old thread
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brolaf
Profile Joined May 2012
291 Posts
September 15 2012 14:00 GMT
#5
On September 15 2012 20:36 endy wrote:
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Project 27: TvZ
(Bio) Instead of getting siege upgrade and tanks, get vult upgrades instead (mines and then speed). I'd imagine this would require a much higher micro ability, and would get owned bad if he got ovie speed really fast for no reason, but I'm curious to see what would happen if a player of your ability tried to pull it off.

First Impression: I don't see the point of vultures, since it'd get eaten alive from lurkers. Vultures can't kill lurkers that are burrowed or break sunken lines...
Results pending


Vultures + mines has become pretty standard it TvZ :O

yeah and they are pretty good against lurks actually. theyre cheap as dirt, can get into position (spread around lurks) quickly to avoid heavy splash damage and against medium size lurks their damage is OK given how cheap they are.
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 14:12:20
September 15 2012 14:12 GMT
#6
ohhhh shit ! this is so interesting and awesome ! :D
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tryummm
Profile Joined August 2009
774 Posts
September 15 2012 15:14 GMT
#7
I challenge you to play a completely optimal PvT game where you play macro oriented and hit all the timings as professional players, and still win. I have yet seen a foreign player pull this one off, so good luck to you.
TheShimmy
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1808 Posts
September 15 2012 23:53 GMT
#8
I challenge you:

1. SCV Rush
2. Midgame SCV harass a base in a TvT
3. Go carriers in a PvP

Any of the three will do.
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Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
September 16 2012 01:33 GMT
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
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Korea (South)3851 Posts
September 16 2012 02:02 GMT
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10176 Posts
September 16 2012 03:01 GMT
#11
ZvZ

Use scourge to kill overlords, supply blocking him while you tech to hive :D

PvT

Sair/Reaver

PvP

Must build DA, feedback his HT. Bonus points: Mindcontrol shuttle with reaver.
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Profile Joined March 2011
Canada932 Posts
September 16 2012 04:17 GMT
#12
Hahaha. Those plays were great!
For the challenge, I challenge you to do 2 port wraith into 2 base BC rush. You may build marines but they must not leave your base so it's for protection only! You may only build 24 wraith in total and rest of offensive units must be BC and SV (D-Matrix only)
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dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-16 04:36:50
September 16 2012 04:34 GMT
#13
On September 16 2012 00:14 tryummm wrote:
I challenge you to play a completely optimal PvT game where you play macro oriented and hit all the timings as professional players, and still win. I have yet seen a foreign player pull this one off, so good luck to you.

lol must suck to be this nerd, he's always so angry :p.

Can't believe you won the tvp after fail fbat drops
For pvz you can do 2 robo 1 base with shuttle speed, should try it out, gotta manage well with scouting to not die to two hatch muta
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
September 16 2012 06:12 GMT
#14
8pool speed drone off gas w/ sunk rush in a ZvZ
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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
September 16 2012 07:36 GMT
#15
PvP goon+scouts using scouts to snipe reaver shuttles :D
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puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3128 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-16 11:10:28
September 16 2012 11:08 GMT
#16
In a tvz go for a 1 base 2 rax opening with a fast factory and no academy. Proxy one of the rax's and the factory near the zergs base. Build 3 bunkers and some well positioned depots outside of the zergs natural and build just enough marines to fill them. Bank resources, lots of them. As your pushing the zergs natural with a tank, build an ebay, an academy, and a command center not far from your bunkers. When the zergs mutas pop run your scv's out of your main and allow him to kill the few depots, the barracks, and the command center that remain in your base. Expand to the zergs natural with you new command center by pushing back the mutas with bunkers and turrets. Mine from his natural and use the ebay to give you vision of his high ground. Strengthen your contain with a few more bunkers, more turrets, and more tanks. Get range before stim. If the zerg tries to bust dont be afraid to retreat to the 3 initial bunkers ad dthen regain control of the zergs natural once he's wasted most of his army.

Finish him off with hidden 3 port wraith.

EDIT: It might work better with a proxy 8 rax opening. and only one rax total. How you want to do it is up to you.
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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
September 16 2012 12:22 GMT
#17
Matchup: ZvZ
Strat: 9h9p9o, hatch being in opponent's natural, follow up with sunken contain, get hydras and spores before he gets mutas, follow up with ensnare and eventually plague and dark swarm.
Effects: The player will BM you, claim that he had sex with your mother and you like dudes, whisper you after the game etc etc.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10176 Posts
September 16 2012 14:30 GMT
#18
pull a Zero. ZvZ

proxy hatch in his base.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10176 Posts
September 16 2012 18:52 GMT
#19
o, this just happened to me today!

ZvP, proxy hatch in their base while u 9 pool. :D
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
September 17 2012 05:18 GMT
#20
Sadly it's over, but it would be awesome if you went PvT, MC'd an SCV (make sure he doesn't know you did it) (not sure how to manage this though..), maybe with 2 arbiters (recall a DA with your army into his base, then recall the MC'd scv back?), and put down your own mines right next to his so he goes insane wondering if he put that mine there or not
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asiantraceur
Profile Joined April 2012
United States94 Posts
September 17 2012 06:12 GMT
#21
On September 17 2012 14:18 aRyuujin wrote:
MC'd an SCV t

Have you seen royal stove? the rest of your idea isnt related to Royal Stove but its a really funny build you should check it out
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
September 17 2012 08:27 GMT
#22
Hey I remember this, fun stuff.

If you wanna try a build of mine which actually worked untill I met C and higher players,
open up 3hatch ZvT, as you normally would (overpool / 12hatch both works)
When you workers start mining gas you instantly throw down an evo chamber for +1 armor.
With your next 100 gas you get ling speed and then lair with the next 100.
When you've saturated ur mineral lines you start pumping lings (14-16) and be bat shit aggressive with em, kill off initial mnm groups
When lair is half way done you throw down a hydra den and start lurkers when lair finishes (throw down second gas when lurker tech is started).
Throw 4th hatch at your third or as a macro hatch depending on how much damage your zergling did, drone up a little so you can saturate 4 hatch production and move into hydralurker tech.
When you start hive you should be aiming for a hydra / guard / lurker / ling combination.

Mineral onlys are welcome candidates as your hydra / ling / lurk midgame army is really midgame heavy
if you 12 hatch put down a evo chamber somewhere before +1 carapace finishes and get +1 ranged attack.

it works really nicely and it's alot of fun to do even if I dont really do it anymore as pure hydra lurk builds work better vs C/C+ guys on the right maps :p
In the woods, there lurks..
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10176 Posts
September 17 2012 16:52 GMT
#23
On September 17 2012 15:12 asiantraceur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 14:18 aRyuujin wrote:
MC'd an SCV t

Have you seen royal stove? the rest of your idea isnt related to Royal Stove but its a really funny build you should check it out

omg no fun build thread is complete without the stove

try to get a friend to replicate free vs hiya? :D
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Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
September 17 2012 21:01 GMT
#24
Win a game with only workers.
+ Show Spoiler +
and then do it again with zerg or toss cause scvs op.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10176 Posts
September 17 2012 21:18 GMT
#25
On September 18 2012 06:01 Kal_rA wrote:
Win a game with only workers.
+ Show Spoiler +
and then do it again with zerg or toss cause scvs op.

u never said couldnt do ZvP or PvZ or mirror Heh.
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HaFnium
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United Kingdom1074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-18 14:54:43
September 17 2012 23:15 GMT
#26
Do mass hydras with early upgrades for ZvT, until hive at least.
4@hatch + 1 before lair, just use lots of hydras then maybe tech to hive then get queens and defilers
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
September 18 2012 03:35 GMT
#27
ZvP go Mass queens with broodlord backup
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
September 18 2012 03:37 GMT
#28
On September 18 2012 06:01 Kal_rA wrote:
Win a game with only workers.
+ Show Spoiler +
and then do it again with zerg or toss cause scvs op.


Okay

^ If you do choose to watch this for the love of god 16x it until like a minute or three before the end. Obviously the fact I was able to do this meant the other guy was absurdly terrible.
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Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
September 18 2012 05:25 GMT
#29
L_Master I actually only asked that cause you mentioned you did it on one of the vods hahaha

Want him to do it vs a better player though. Would be sooo hard.
Jaedong.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
September 18 2012 18:45 GMT
#30
On September 18 2012 12:37 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 06:01 Kal_rA wrote:
Win a game with only workers.
+ Show Spoiler +
and then do it again with zerg or toss cause scvs op.


Okay

^ If you do choose to watch this for the love of god 16x it until like a minute or three before the end. Obviously the fact I was able to do this meant the other guy was absurdly terrible.


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GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
September 19 2012 03:23 GMT
#31
part 1 of this thread was one of my favorite brood war forum threads, glad to see this is starting up again! fighting!
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-19 12:49:42
September 19 2012 12:44 GMT
#32
I thought that idea was in the first thread but couldn't find it.

I'dl like to see a build that i done a lot on bnet (not iCcup). It's ZvP. I called this "burrow rush". You get burrow before speed (2player map only i think) and you go straight for the throat. You separate your lings in his base (attack a pylon, probes, or nexus) when reacting. Immediatly burrow. (you'll have some lings rallied and attack something else with them).

Unburrow lings that have nothing on top of them(like a zealot). Burrow when zealots or probes approach and unburrow the second (or third or whatever groupe).

If you pull this off, you are gonna have to support a lot of rage/bm because it's a retarded build (and risky but funny).

I hope i explained it well.

That's not really micro heavy.

If he is doing zealot block (at ramp) bring a drone and mineral pass them. When i played BW i remebered it separated the zelot(s) and you can pass your lings inside. But i don't know if you can still do that.

On September 18 2012 01:52 FlaShFTW wrote:
Have you seen royal stove? the rest of your idea isnt related to Royal Stove but its a really funny build you should check it out


Wait ? What ? A ROYAL stove ? do you have a link. The stove was one of the most funny build to do as P

Also...
On September 18 2012 12:35 amazingxkcd wrote:
ZvP go Mass queens with broodlord backup


BroodLords in BW ? you mean guardians right ?
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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
September 19 2012 14:50 GMT
#33
On September 18 2012 12:35 amazingxkcd wrote:
ZvP go Mass queens with broodlord backup

Also you know that queens in BW are non-attacking caster units with no destructive spells other than spawn broodling? What is going to protect you against anything that flies and attacks? Spore colonies?
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Garmer
Profile Joined October 2010
1286 Posts
September 19 2012 15:33 GMT
#34
PVT two stargate scout push
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
September 19 2012 16:22 GMT
#35
On September 19 2012 23:50 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 12:35 amazingxkcd wrote:
ZvP go Mass queens with broodlord backup

Also you know that queens in BW are non-attacking caster units with no destructive spells other than spawn broodling? What is going to protect you against anything that flies and attacks? Spore colonies?

I know. Lots and Lots of Spawn Broodlings
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10176 Posts
September 19 2012 21:36 GMT
#36
On September 20 2012 01:22 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 23:50 Djagulingu wrote:
On September 18 2012 12:35 amazingxkcd wrote:
ZvP go Mass queens with broodlord backup

Also you know that queens in BW are non-attacking caster units with no destructive spells other than spawn broodling? What is going to protect you against anything that flies and attacks? Spore colonies?

I know. Lots and Lots of Spawn Broodlings

so basically turn BW queens into SC2 broodlords that kill target on impact? YES PLEASE
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Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 04:49:24
September 20 2012 04:45 GMT
#37
-holy aweful post batman-

wrong thread :/
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RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
September 20 2012 08:03 GMT
#38
This fucking thread man I loved your shit in the last thread
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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
September 20 2012 12:38 GMT
#39
On September 20 2012 01:22 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 23:50 Djagulingu wrote:
On September 18 2012 12:35 amazingxkcd wrote:
ZvP go Mass queens with broodlord backup

Also you know that queens in BW are non-attacking caster units with no destructive spells other than spawn broodling? What is going to protect you against anything that flies and attacks? Spore colonies?

I know. Lots and Lots of Spawn Broodlings

However, a single scout will kill this strategy so badly.
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 12:53:02
September 20 2012 12:52 GMT
#40
On September 20 2012 21:38 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 01:22 amazingxkcd wrote:
On September 19 2012 23:50 Djagulingu wrote:
On September 18 2012 12:35 amazingxkcd wrote:
ZvP go Mass queens with broodlord backup

Also you know that queens in BW are non-attacking caster units with no destructive spells other than spawn broodling? What is going to protect you against anything that flies and attacks? Spore colonies?

I know. Lots and Lots of Spawn Broodlings

However, a single scout will kill this strategy so badly.


Sure but you have to keep in mind something... No one make scouts even if that's the only unit that you can produce... Or they are doing the stove and anyway you are screwd (unless you do the canon build :p (don't remember the name of this great strategy)).
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Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
September 20 2012 17:08 GMT
#41
On September 20 2012 21:38 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 01:22 amazingxkcd wrote:
On September 19 2012 23:50 Djagulingu wrote:
On September 18 2012 12:35 amazingxkcd wrote:
ZvP go Mass queens with broodlord backup

Also you know that queens in BW are non-attacking caster units with no destructive spells other than spawn broodling? What is going to protect you against anything that flies and attacks? Spore colonies?

I know. Lots and Lots of Spawn Broodlings

However, a single scout will kill this strategy so badly.

Ensnare, then fly away. teehee.
Jaedong.
Garmer
Profile Joined October 2010
1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 20:23:24
September 20 2012 20:21 GMT
#42
no one have tried this, and i think that is kinda possible, with some great skill
SK Terran in TVP and add fast ghost tech with lockdown
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
September 26 2012 15:38 GMT
#43
Love that you are returning to this! I remember being really disappointed when every time I checked the original topic there were 0 new updates/posts and eventually I gave up on checking it. One thing that I tried a few times after you did was the 5Fac Vults strategy, and it is indeed incredibly fun to do yet surprisingly somewhat effective o.O
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DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
September 28 2012 03:51 GMT
#44
Hey I PM'd you a build back in the original thread days. I dont think you ever tried it TT.
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arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
September 28 2012 12:07 GMT
#45

Project 29: ZvZ
How about queens to support Scourges?

I'm pretty sure Zero did this in some game that he won. Ensnared the mutas.
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Profile Joined September 2011
Germany912 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 15:26:04
September 28 2012 15:19 GMT
#46
Try Biomech TvP into lategame 3/3 Ghosts with cloak and kill his observers with Wraiths/ Valks. Continue to kill his army with said ghosts (and nukes if you want to :D) You should probably try this on a large map as this strat sounds like it would need quite a bit of turtleing. I'd be happy to know if this works in anything other than bot games.
Edit: you can add range goliaths if Wraiths/ Valks get destroyed too badly.
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Profile Joined March 2011
Canada932 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 18:59:16
September 28 2012 18:59 GMT
#47
Hmm
Even if he does this, we'll have to wait till Christmas to see them :/
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