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NonYold
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2814 Posts
April 02 2005 09:00 GMT
#1
I'm not going to go into specifics because there is a replay showing the build perfectly. Basically it's a cannon-> zealot build. Check it out at http://www.wgtour.com/match.php?id=755168&datab=broodwar
jjun212
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada2208 Posts
April 02 2005 09:17 GMT
#2
only reason why it worked was because purple is slow.. in the head..

if i see cannons inside the other guys base with no sign of cybercore
i would assumme that hes newb or doing some kinda cheese somewhere else on the map..

so send 1-2 probes to scout then fast expo with good cannons placements and mass goon

i've been attacked by mass zealots just like that before and defended easily with mass goon if you place them right on the map hunters

and its even easier to defend against on a map like lost temple since you hve the upper land.
Chris307
Profile Joined June 2004
3095 Posts
April 02 2005 09:25 GMT
#3
The zealot is one unit that is dramatically undervalued in foreign PvP.
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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16986 Posts
April 02 2005 10:55 GMT
#4
Foreign being the operative word.
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Knickknack
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1187 Posts
April 02 2005 11:18 GMT
#5
For anyone that wants to know without watching the rep, its basically mass speed & +1 zeal attack at ~9:00. I suppose forge is for fast +1 and cannons for defense/detection.

-This is good if you catch your opponent off guard which i suppose you did. But, skipping obs yourself your not really sure of what hes doing...
-This is good if your mass>his mass(which it was). This is good if your opponent uses his units poorly/ micros bad(which happened). Though, just goon and some zeal is hard to micro well against speed zeals.

This is not a mainstream pvp build for a reason(s)...
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mattmercury
Profile Joined April 2005
United Kingdom109 Posts
April 03 2005 00:18 GMT
#6
Sounds Ok, purple sounds crap tho
turn it up honey, these songs sound better loud.
GroT
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Belgium3003 Posts
April 03 2005 02:06 GMT
#7
nony im not gonna watch the rep because i dont care about pvp, but please try it against someone good (comments indicate otherwise)
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SainT
Profile Joined February 2005
Chile1067 Posts
April 03 2005 02:47 GMT
#8
well i have owned with zealots on pvp, but u need to face the goons in a closed space cause either way... u'll get owned.... at least u have like 10 more zeas... i basically just run thorugh the main base once the p is getting expo
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KillerPenguin
Profile Joined June 2004
United States516 Posts
April 03 2005 08:13 GMT
#9
I think its a nice strat. If he was better he would have protected his expo better or blocked your own choke.
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garandou
Profile Joined October 2004
Germany518 Posts
April 03 2005 08:23 GMT
#10
Haven't watched the rep, but doesn't this build die to reaver?
NonYold
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2814 Posts
April 03 2005 09:47 GMT
#11
i thought madcow was good sorry >.<
tfeign
Profile Joined June 2004
United States2980 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-04-03 10:50:05
April 03 2005 10:49 GMT
#12
Havent watched the rep, but if you're able to win with mass zs, then already I'm pretty much 90% sure P didn't use reavers. And most pvp's you WILL find reavers, making this strat unviable.
Catyoul *
Profile Joined April 2004
France2377 Posts
April 03 2005 11:14 GMT
#13
It's tempting, when your opponent goes cannons in his main to be a little bit greedy, at the expense of your security.

I liked it very much
loloko2
Profile Joined January 2005
Mexico433 Posts
April 03 2005 11:33 GMT
#14
im sure Reach did mass zeas in some reps its a pretty good strat but, he didnt add forge he just went 2 gates , zeas, then added 3 more gates and pumping zeas , with good micro you can finish the game pretty fast, and if u can do the zealot speed would be great...
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LumberJack
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3355 Posts
April 03 2005 14:27 GMT
#15
On April 03 2005 18:47 NonY wrote:
i thought madcow was good sorry >.<


no, he just played 30games a day, and map hacked, doesnt make you good :[
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iD.Surv
Profile Joined April 2004
Belgium827 Posts
April 03 2005 20:47 GMT
#16
macow got a good pvp
iD.Surv
Profile Joined April 2004
Belgium827 Posts
April 03 2005 20:52 GMT
#17
and your strat sux
Taiche *
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
France1963 Posts
April 03 2005 21:39 GMT
#18
On April 03 2005 17:23 garandou wrote:
Haven't watched the rep, but doesn't this build die to reaver?

Well, that's the question I've been wondering too.
The problem is that the purple toss made 2 major mistakes, IMHO :
* had no knowledge of what was coming -> needed obs
* did not mass units (obviously because he expoed first). (side note : now I understand why expoing first is bad in PvP :D )
So expoing first without proper scouting is suicidal.
However, if the purple had went goon/obs, I think he would have massed more goons without expoing, making it much harder for the mass zeals strat to win, especially on LT.
This is an extremely aggressive strat which will have a high success rate vs people who don't scout but I wonder what would be the chances of success vs mass goons or vs reavers. Nony, what do you think about it ?
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KillerPenguin
Profile Joined June 2004
United States516 Posts
April 03 2005 23:15 GMT
#19
Heh, I tried this against a C lvl pgt on LT and lost. He didn't expo(or cancelled) when I went to attack about the same time nony did but 1 z scouted goon reav on ramp so I ran back. I expoed as I started back but just as nex finished a couple cannon on my ledge took out a bunch of probes. I didn't have enough goons or robo to stop it fast so it hurt me bad enough to lose the game later. I think instead of fast cannon a couple goon to not let him know what your up to would be better.
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Piro
Profile Joined March 2005
United States5 Posts
April 03 2005 23:37 GMT
#20
Why mass zeals anyway it dosent have the same effect as rezer drop on probes also he shuld of expoed a lil earlier
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