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kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
December 06 2017 17:45 GMT
#7301
Lockdown is better than EMP, as it stops the recall even if it was already casted.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
tankgirl
Profile Blog Joined May 2016
Canada476 Posts
December 07 2017 19:43 GMT
#7302
leaderboard is 60% terrans

https://starlog.gg/en/leaderboard

tesagi is real?
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/627255-progamer-settings
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ajmbek
Profile Joined November 2008
Italy460 Posts
December 08 2017 11:59 GMT
#7303
On December 06 2017 18:36 Clad wrote:
hi i m starting broodwar any advices for new protoss thx



make more probes
Sic iter ad astra
Sero
Profile Joined October 2010
United States692 Posts
December 08 2017 16:23 GMT
#7304
On December 08 2017 20:59 ajmbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2017 18:36 Clad wrote:
hi i m starting broodwar any advices for new protoss thx



make more probes zealots

<3 FlaSh HiyA Stats HoeJJa
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
December 08 2017 16:40 GMT
#7305
you must construct additional pylons
Wimpsyay
Profile Joined September 2017
7 Posts
December 08 2017 17:26 GMT
#7306
how long until you actually get gud at starcraft? not pro level, but around 2000 mmr.

i feel like i've only scratched the surface of this game after about 50hrs.
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-08 17:30:45
December 08 2017 17:28 GMT
#7307
2000 MMR last I played was like "old" C+/B-
years of playing thousands of games lol
but if you have already skills from other RTS and nice access to help, ofc can catch up. its very different then and now, back in old bw days it was the first RTS to involve that much skill and people started building that up overtime... now a lot of people are more skilled or have skills from other games better understanding of competition etc
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
December 08 2017 17:58 GMT
#7308
i think it depends how much prior rts experience you have (esp sc2) and how dedicated you are to practice

also whether you're willing to cheese every game
Sero
Profile Joined October 2010
United States692 Posts
December 08 2017 18:57 GMT
#7309
On December 09 2017 02:26 Wimpsyay wrote:
how long until you actually get gud at starcraft? not pro level, but around 2000 mmr.

i feel like i've only scratched the surface of this game after about 50hrs.

Depends, where are you at after 50 hours? And how many games did you actually play during that time? Could be around 100-200 games.
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Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1470 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-08 22:06:25
December 08 2017 19:00 GMT
#7310
Not laughing about you, but 50 hrs, lmao

More than scratching the surface is just not possible, not with the average that is set up by the current community of mostly very experienced players.

In relation to about 99% of the people you play in BW, that's like a blink of an eye spent on the game, so no way you're good in relation to them.

You might have gone through a dedicated mechanics-practice in that time, resulting in good macro mechanics and general unit-control.
Or you played a bunch of different maps, resulting in good enough map-knowledge to play tournaments with standard map-pools.
Or you played one matchup all the time with 1-2 build-orders, resulting in good not terrible early- to late-game play in that one matchup.
Or you played many different build-orders and styles in one matchup, resulting in good versatility in that matchup.
Or you went through in-depth replay analysis and strategy/theory-studies, resulting in good game-knowledge.

But you could never have done all that at once in 50 hours.
And even if: Still you would be lacking experience, game-sense, mental stability (in the sense of: keeping on keeping on in the face of brutal defeats/cheese etc., not getting over-confident after 1-2 wins etc.).

As others said, it also really depends on what you bring to the table in the first place. Of course an RTS-veteran could make much more happen in 50 hours than a total newbie, still BW will probably be a tough nut to crack even for good SC2 or else players after 50 hours.

edit: should be mentioned though that after 50 hours, of course you can be much better than many, certainly than anyone who didn't put in 50 hours yet but also many who played the game for years very casually.
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
December 08 2017 20:01 GMT
#7311
On December 09 2017 04:00 Highgamer wrote:
As others said, it also really depends on what you bring to the table in the first place. Of course an RTS-veteran could make much more happen in 50 hours than a total newbie, still BW will probably be a tough nut to crack even for good SC2 or else players after 50 hours.

no doubt
molotow[eef]
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany81 Posts
December 09 2017 00:28 GMT
#7312
I just counted, there are 72 terrans among the top 100. I find it kind of weird that there is such a stigma around tegasi.
Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
December 09 2017 02:42 GMT
#7313
On December 09 2017 09:28 molotow[eef] wrote:
I just counted, there are 72 terrans among the top 100. I find it kind of weird that there is such a stigma around tegasi.


you do realize that some people play on more accounts than others.
molotow[eef]
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany81 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-09 13:11:56
December 09 2017 13:11 GMT
#7314
On December 09 2017 11:42 Bakuryu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2017 09:28 molotow[eef] wrote:
I just counted, there are 72 terrans among the top 100. I find it kind of weird that there is such a stigma around tegasi.


you do realize that some people play on more accounts than others.


Yeah well, when looking at the top500 its 144p, 152z, 204t. This imo makes a strong case for the assumption that imbalance only affects the uppest 0,001%. However, it still shows quite some imbalance. Make the vult and irradiate 100 already ! ;-)



Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
December 09 2017 17:45 GMT
#7315
What percent is Z and P in top 100 and top 500?
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-09 19:15:19
December 09 2017 19:14 GMT
#7316
vult 100 irradiate 100, good suggestion eh^^ can terran players say yes to something like this? :D some little relevant thing like that, could be good. so hard to choose, complex to examine
(my suggestion is tank 3 supply^^ but I like vult 100 and irradiate 100, it makes sense)
ajmbek
Profile Joined November 2008
Italy460 Posts
December 10 2017 13:15 GMT
#7317
On December 10 2017 04:14 ProMeTheus112 wrote:
vult 100 irradiate 100, good suggestion eh^^ can terran players say yes to something like this? :D some little relevant thing like that, could be good. so hard to choose, complex to examine
(my suggestion is tank 3 supply^^ but I like vult 100 and irradiate 100, it makes sense)


Tank 3 supply sounds cool. But i don't think the game needs some new balance.
Sic iter ad astra
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-10 15:34:40
December 10 2017 15:34 GMT
#7318
Ladder=/=actual rankings of skill and ability.

Lots of players are known to do quite well on ladder because they play it substantially, and have a style that might work well on ladder, other people focus a bit more on scheduled practice matches, etc. Being number one on ladder doesnt make you the best player, we cant actually use it as a reference for imbalance.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
December 10 2017 18:20 GMT
#7319
Can you shift queue an Arbiter's Recall if you think it is gonna get EMP Shockwaved?
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8904 Posts
December 10 2017 23:51 GMT
#7320
On December 11 2017 00:34 Dazed. wrote:
Ladder=/=actual rankings of skill and ability.

Lots of players are known to do quite well on ladder because they play it substantially, and have a style that might work well on ladder, other people focus a bit more on scheduled practice matches, etc. Being number one on ladder doesnt make you the best player, we cant actually use it as a reference for imbalance.

theyre not basing tesagi on whos rank 1
theyre basing tesagi on the fact that the highest percentile of players is dominated by terrans
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