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[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
February 12 2015 01:23 GMT
#4241
IIRC, for Protoss, their Plasma Shield upgrades apply to their buildings too, but do Z or T buildings ever get Armor upgrades?

If not, it seems sorta odd that P gets that benefit while Z and T do not.


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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-12 01:45:01
February 12 2015 01:41 GMT
#4242
No,
and it would be another boring RTS if every unit and building are design-wise the same for every race with minor aesthetics/stat differences

and frankly you should just invent a time machine so you can jump into blizz hq year 2000 to ask all the design questions you want and enquire on the exact philosophy behind them. and tell them never to merge with activision or the world is doomed.
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
February 12 2015 02:00 GMT
#4243
On February 12 2015 10:41 Probemicro wrote:
No,
and it would be another boring RTS if every unit and building are design-wise the same for every race with minor aesthetics/stat differences

and frankly you should just invent a time machine so you can jump into blizz hq year 2000 to ask all the design questions you want and enquire on the exact philosophy behind them. and tell them never to merge with activision or the world is doomed.

I agree with the last sentence. The rest seems snippy.

No one's arguing for mirror races, if I liked that I sure wouldn't be on an SC forum. It just seems odd that P buildings keep pace with unit upgrades (at least the shields do), while Z and T buildings become ever easier to raze.

You can take that observation as a complaint, or instead go, "Hmm, what's the reasoning behind that? Why did the designers do that?". But hey, eff me for trying to think it through, right?

I'll just take your answer as, "I have no idea, and I'm having a bad day."


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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-12 02:26:10
February 12 2015 02:18 GMT
#4244
On February 12 2015 11:00 [[Starlight]] wrote:


You can take that observation as a complaint, or instead go, "Hmm, what's the reasoning behind that? Why did the designers do that?". But hey, eff me for trying to think it through, right?

I'll just take your answer as, "I have no idea, and I'm having a bad day."




of course people have pondered about such things, but unlike hard science usually only the developers are aware of the exact reasons why they make such design decisions. it can be very subtle or simplistic which may have nothing to do with balance, making it more difficult to rationalize.

of course you can carry on with the discussions, but you are not the first to think it through. I mean when I was 10 years old I also wonder why the fuck you can't land terran buildings on units to crush them.

and yeah im having a bad mood, thanks for that.
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-13 15:04:25
February 13 2015 12:05 GMT
#4245
On February 12 2015 11:18 Probemicro wrote:
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On February 12 2015 11:00 [[Starlight]] wrote:

You can take that observation as a complaint, or instead go, "Hmm, what's the reasoning behind that? Why did the designers do that?". But hey, eff me for trying to think it through, right?

I'll just take your answer as, "I have no idea, and I'm having a bad day."


of course people have pondered about such things, but unlike hard science usually only the developers are aware of the exact reasons why they make such design decisions. it can be very subtle or simplistic which may have nothing to do with balance, making it more difficult to rationalize.

of course you can carry on with the discussions, but you are not the first to think it through. I mean when I was 10 years old I also wonder why the fuck you can't land terran buildings on units to crush them.

and yeah im having a bad mood, thanks for that.

Well, thanks for finally giving me permission to discuss things on a discussion forum. Whoa, wotta concept.

Far as your bad mood goes, I think that's on you. If it's that easy to get you riled up, perhaps discussion forums just aren't for you... I'd stick to cute kitten vids on YouTube, nothin' to upset you there.

Back on-topic, now that I think of it in a different way, it sorta makes sense... Z has an advantage in that its depots (the most common building) are actually units, which do get armor upgrades, and which are mobile (increasing survivability). T has an advantage in that its most valuable buildings can fly/are mobile too, making them more difficult to destroy (ground-only attackers are negated). So to balance it out, P buildings get the shield upgrades while no other buildings get armor ups.

Add in that Z bldgs can regen all of their hp and T buildings can be fully repaired, while P bldgs can only regen shield points, and it all falls into place I think.
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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-13 13:38:22
February 13 2015 13:32 GMT
#4246
oh wow in 15+years of BW i never ever ever thought of those, thanks for the genius insights.
you the genius of the century, they should give a nobel prize for that while the rest of us should just stick to kitten vids.
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-13 14:29:53
February 13 2015 13:59 GMT
#4247
On February 13 2015 22:32 Probemicro wrote:
oh wow in 15+years of BW i never ever ever thought of those, thanks for the genius insights.
you the genius of the century, they should give a nobel prize for that while the rest of us should just stick to kitten vids.

If you'd already thought of it, why didn't you say so in your earlier posts when you had the chance? Derp.

Guess you were too busy raging to share your insights, huh? Too bad. Yeah, you, if no one else, should stick to the kitten vids. Think happy thoughts, Probe. Maybe take up meditation.

Though, given your "it is unknowable by us" stance from before, my guess is you didn't have any ideas on this, and are just carping 'cuz you mad:

Probemicro: of course people have pondered about such things, but unlike hard science usually only the developers are aware of the exact reasons why they make such design decisions. it can be very subtle or simplistic which may have nothing to do with balance, making it more difficult to rationalize.

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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-13 14:16:18
February 13 2015 14:13 GMT
#4248
On February 13 2015 22:59 [[Starlight]] wrote:
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On February 13 2015 22:32 Probemicro wrote:
oh wow in 15+years of BW i never ever ever thought of those, thanks for the genius insights.
you the genius of the century, they should give a nobel prize for that while the rest of us should just stick to kitten vids.

If you'd already thought of it, why didn't you say so in your earlier posts when you had the chance? Derp.

Guess you were too busy raging to share your insights, huh? Too bad. Yeah, you, if no one else, should stick to the kitten vids. Think happy thoughts, Probe.




And good luck for the Kespa Brood War Written Examination, I heard its very competitive and if you don't cram trivia facts hard enough you are gonna fail instantly. It would be a shame to TL and your peers if you can't recall. Don't get stressed out yeah?

Probes don't think happy thoughts, they just want to make cannons everywhere and poke other workers. Especially one manufactured in Peru.

Edit: I said " only developers know the exact reasons" , does that equate to "its unknowable" by your fail comprehension"? I pity you then, the exam's gonna screw you then.
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
February 13 2015 14:16 GMT
#4249
On February 13 2015 23:13 Probemicro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2015 22:59 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On February 13 2015 22:32 Probemicro wrote:
oh wow in 15+years of BW i never ever ever thought of those, thanks for the genius insights.
you the genius of the century, they should give a nobel prize for that while the rest of us should just stick to kitten vids.

If you'd already thought of it, why didn't you say so in your earlier posts when you had the chance? Derp.

Guess you were too busy raging to share your insights, huh? Too bad. Yeah, you, if no one else, should stick to the kitten vids. Think happy thoughts, Probe.


And good luck for the Kespa Brood War Written Examination.

Thanks. And good luck with your blood pressure. You're gonna need it.


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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
February 13 2015 14:17 GMT
#4250
On February 13 2015 23:16 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2015 23:13 Probemicro wrote:
On February 13 2015 22:59 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On February 13 2015 22:32 Probemicro wrote:
oh wow in 15+years of BW i never ever ever thought of those, thanks for the genius insights.
you the genius of the century, they should give a nobel prize for that while the rest of us should just stick to kitten vids.

If you'd already thought of it, why didn't you say so in your earlier posts when you had the chance? Derp.

Guess you were too busy raging to share your insights, huh? Too bad. Yeah, you, if no one else, should stick to the kitten vids. Think happy thoughts, Probe.


And good luck for the Kespa Brood War Written Examination.

Thanks. And good luck with your blood pressure. You're gonna need it.




Probes have blood? Wow who knew

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[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
February 13 2015 14:24 GMT
#4251
On February 13 2015 23:17 Probemicro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2015 23:16 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On February 13 2015 23:13 Probemicro wrote:
On February 13 2015 22:59 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On February 13 2015 22:32 Probemicro wrote:
oh wow in 15+years of BW i never ever ever thought of those, thanks for the genius insights.
you the genius of the century, they should give a nobel prize for that while the rest of us should just stick to kitten vids.

If you'd already thought of it, why didn't you say so in your earlier posts when you had the chance? Derp.

Guess you were too busy raging to share your insights, huh? Too bad. Yeah, you, if no one else, should stick to the kitten vids. Think happy thoughts, Probe.


And good luck for the Kespa Brood War Written Examination.

Thanks. And good luck with your blood pressure. You're gonna need it.




Probes have blood? Wow who knew

Look at all the f**ks I give?

Thanks for being such a great and helpful contributor to a BW discussion, troll boy.




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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 13 2015 14:28 GMT
#4252
Take it to PMs, both of you.
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lantz
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States762 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-13 20:42:36
February 13 2015 20:42 GMT
#4253
what is the probe saturation for each base?

How many probes do I make in a game against T for optimal macro game?
GreenWillow
Profile Joined December 2014
50 Posts
February 14 2015 02:26 GMT
#4254
55+ is alright
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9105 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-14 16:12:14
February 14 2015 16:10 GMT
#4255
Here is a link to one thread on the subject, the images are broken though unfortunately.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/83287-worker-saturation

Also, if you ctrl+f "SonuvBob"'s post in the thread there is a working link to something that looks interesting.
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
February 15 2015 15:55 GMT
#4256
Do Interceptors' shields regenerate when they're NOT inside the carrier?


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GreenWillow
Profile Joined December 2014
50 Posts
February 15 2015 17:23 GMT
#4257
Why not? Shields are the same for all the protoss units
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
February 15 2015 17:56 GMT
#4258
On February 16 2015 02:23 GreenWillow wrote:
Why not? Shields are the same for all the protoss units

Not entirely... inside the carrier, interceptor shields fully regenerate instantly.


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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6639 Posts
February 15 2015 18:05 GMT
#4259
On February 16 2015 00:55 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Do Interceptors' shields regenerate when they're NOT inside the carrier?

They do indeed.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-17 06:15:37
February 16 2015 05:08 GMT
#4260
On February 16 2015 03:05 jello_biafra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 00:55 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Do Interceptors' shields regenerate when they're NOT inside the carrier?

They do indeed.

Thanks, Jello. I think this is like the third Q of mine you've answered, you seem really on top of this stuff.


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