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On October 16 2010 05:56 Chaos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 03:41 mia-X17 wrote:On October 07 2010 20:17 Suc wrote:
If you play on destination as Z, you can send out one of your first four drones and go straight to the opponent's base, hug the wall and then 9 hatch in the area furthest away from their CC/Nexus/Hatch. Proceed to sunken his base :D anyone half smart scouts their whole base and even their 3rd for proxies on desti It's really annoying hearing this all the time because its obviously not true. Sure good players are good at scouting but it doesn't automatically mean they are going to scout a proxy every time. On Desti most people do scout the entire main at this point but you would be surprised how often high rank players don't.
ur right nvm.
i do tho :D
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cheese smells bad, dont!!!
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Oh I remember my friend said I was cheesing when I went for a 4 DT drop after Forge FE PvZ. He also calls 3 hatch before pool, and any 1 base play cheese too.
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I wonder... would 4port wraith off of 2 bases work against Z? Like you open standard 1rax FE, but instead of getting medics/fbats/academy/e-bay/etc you just start massing the **** out of wraiths. Like 2 control groups of wraiths. Obviously the build probably would have like 78098 holes in it but the point of crazy cheeses like that is that since no one has seen it before they don't know how to react
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I like the classic 5pool over 4pool especially on maps with 3 start pos.
5pool.
Drone to 6
Scout with 6th drone
6lings
Extractor trick for 2more lings
Attack and make overlord.
If vs Zerg you can make a sunken with your scouting drone.
Ratch[InCa] was very successful with this in WGT 2007.
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Most of the builds being suggested here are either just plain ridiculous (1 base BC rush! So cheeesy!) or require enough skill in execution so that you probably won't win as a D+ vs a C.
If you want to get to as high a rank as possible with D+ mechanics, proxy BBS vs zerg on a 4 player map is by FAR your best bet. 9 out of 10 zergs will open 12 hatch. There isn't much micro needed. Just get 3 marines, rally your marines to the choke, bring 2-3 scvs, and when he pulls drones, target the closest drones one by one. "Kiting" isn't even necessary. This guy: http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/eNjoyMacroing.html seriously proxy BBSed his way to A-. Let his success inspire you.
5 pool won't kill a protoss who FEed, and you'll still need to play out a midgame when he builds a cannon in his mineral line. You'll lose against 2 gate. You'll need better micro than the protoss to win vs 1 gate. Same for against a terran who 11 raxed.
Proxy 2 gate will only beat 12 hatch. Even in that case the zerg can just cancel the hatch and build a sunken in the main, and you'll have to play it out.
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10/10 refinery barracks before supplythen proxy 2 facts in the middle of the map TVT. I forgot the exact build but works quite well
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On October 20 2010 10:49 Wonders wrote:Most of the builds being suggested here are either just plain ridiculous (1 base BC rush! So cheeesy!) or require enough skill in execution so that you probably won't win as a D+ vs a C. If you want to get to as high a rank as possible with D+ mechanics, proxy BBS vs zerg on a 4 player map is by FAR your best bet. 9 out of 10 zergs will open 12 hatch. There isn't much micro needed. Just get 3 marines, rally your marines to the choke, bring 2-3 scvs, and when he pulls drones, target the closest drones one by one. "Kiting" isn't even necessary. This guy: http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/eNjoyMacroing.html seriously proxy BBSed his way to A-. Let his success inspire you. 5 pool won't kill a protoss who FEed, and you'll still need to play out a midgame when he builds a cannon in his mineral line. You'll lose against 2 gate. You'll need better micro than the protoss to win vs 1 gate. Same for against a terran who 11 raxed. Proxy 2 gate will only beat 12 hatch. Even in that case the zerg can just cancel the hatch and build a sunken in the main, and you'll have to play it out.
Is there any chance you (or anyone else) have a reppack of him? Please PM me. I would be forever greateful.
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First of all I'm sorry for bumping this up but I figured it's better to bump this up than to create a new topic entirely (also, I can't create topics because my account is less than 3 days old).
Anyway, I'm not much of a Brood War player. Always loved to watch it though (and thus I lack practice but I understand some of the theory). Anyway, it's a long story why, but I'm looking to get to D+ this season (it's a thing I have going on with my friend) and I don't really mind how I get there. I was thinking cheese would be the easiest and most efficient way, especially with someone of my calibre. But the question is: what cheese has the highest success rate? The post above inspired me to try BBS, but I've had very limited success with it (on Python). I wouldn't dare try it on a 2 player map like Blue Storm because every Zerg and his dog will go 9 pool there.
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You can cheese on any rank, but usually the case is that better player wins, not the one who cheeses. So, you're not propably going to make it to C+ only by cheesing when you just made it to D+ with such low winratio...
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Just thought I would ask something else - what's a good follow-up for when you're quite far ahead? In TvZ I find 80% of Zergs 12 hatch, and it's no problem taking down the 2nd hatch, the problem is finishing them off. They'll just turtle in their main with me outside their natural and build a shit ton of sunks. Obviously this sets them really far behind but what's something that can help seal the deal? I've realised in this situation there is no way I can quickly end it, so what's a good follow-up strategy when my 2 raxes are in the middle of the map?
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On November 01 2010 22:25 radialis wrote:
Just thought I would ask something else - what's a good follow-up for when you're quite far ahead? In TvZ I find 80% of Zergs 12 hatch, and it's no problem taking down the 2nd hatch, the problem is finishing them off. They'll just turtle in their main with me outside their natural and build a shit ton of sunks. Obviously this sets them really far behind but what's something that can help seal the deal? I've realised in this situation there is no way I can quickly end it, so what's a good follow-up strategy when my 2 raxes are in the middle of the map?
Take your natural, and play it off into the midgame, setting up a contain with bunkers and making sure you don't get harrassed by mutas, and work towards tank play to shell the sunkens. If he turtles up more, then take another base.
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On October 06 2010 20:15 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +bcuz i am trying to enjoy the diversity of cheese and humiliate my opponents Stove. Stove every game.
God yes. Because even if you just win 1 game, it is totally worth it.
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On November 01 2010 22:54 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 22:25 radialis wrote:
Just thought I would ask something else - what's a good follow-up for when you're quite far ahead? In TvZ I find 80% of Zergs 12 hatch, and it's no problem taking down the 2nd hatch, the problem is finishing them off. They'll just turtle in their main with me outside their natural and build a shit ton of sunks. Obviously this sets them really far behind but what's something that can help seal the deal? I've realised in this situation there is no way I can quickly end it, so what's a good follow-up strategy when my 2 raxes are in the middle of the map? Take your natural, and play it off into the midgame, setting up a contain with bunkers and making sure you don't get harrassed by mutas, and work towards tank play to shell the sunkens. If he turtles up more, then take another base.
Do you (or anyone else) have a replay (not a VOD) of an effective BBS follow-up? Preferrably against Zerg? (as they tend to like playing it out)
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On October 06 2010 16:58 CaucasianAsian wrote:
you can also just PM KamuL (isai) about how to cheese. thats all he does lol
i <3 u isai
THE SUPERSMASHBROS ISAI!?!?
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More than half of the games in that thread have been removed from youtube. 
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On October 21 2010 00:19 Eatme wrote:
Is there any chance you (or anyone else) have a reppack of him? Please PM me. I would be forever greateful.
There's a few in various TSL reppacks but that's it.
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On November 03 2010 18:50 Wonders wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2010 00:19 Eatme wrote:
Is there any chance you (or anyone else) have a reppack of him? Please PM me. I would be forever greateful. There's a few in various TSL reppacks but that's it.
can you direct?
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On October 06 2010 11:43 LSB wrote:
2 gate DT, 4 gate goon.
Dts are nice and cheezy in PvP. And you can actually transition out of it
YO don't call me standard 4 gate power goon a cheese xD
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