ZvT Fast M&M drop to main

Refrain[FriZ]

Canada4337 Posts

February 15 2004 05:52 GMT

Zerg vs. Terran, you go standard 12 hatch, 11 pool, hatch, lair, throw down a sunk, get a few lings and start on your spire as soon as lair finishes. Terran comes in with d-ship drops main. How to deal with this...?

tiffany

3664 Posts

February 15 2004 05:56 GMT

if you placed the sunk well and have a good number of lings it shouldn't be a problem

Refrain[FriZ]

Canada4337 Posts

February 15 2004 05:57 GMT

no wait I mean sunken in front of base... not in main. should i always make a sunken in my main and expansion?

tiffany

3664 Posts

February 15 2004 06:02 GMT

if you are able to scout his ramp and you see he hasn't made that many marines, then you should probably put down a main sunk. also, if he rushes the marine drop, your overlord should be able to see him taking his gas before it leaves and you can react likewise.

edited typos

tiffany

3664 Posts

February 15 2004 06:04 GMT

and since z is pretty versatile, if you have good overlord / ling positioning, you maybe can catch his ship leaving and move your lings / make sunk in time

ky[Z]

China1730 Posts

February 15 2004 06:39 GMT

sacrafice one overlord to scout the terran's base, you should be at least abit prepared then.

Duno about you guys, but i think speedy-lings are damn useful in zvt.
Pump out drones until you hit 25-30 population or so, then mass lings from that point on until ur lurker research almost done...well u get the idea.

SpuniasauR

Australia1500 Posts

February 15 2004 08:26 GMT

in a recent rep i saw suker (he uses z v. t) pumped out a few early hydra (bout 6-7) and sorta had them patrolling about. it paid off cuz the rines wont attack the front door with sunks/hydra there and the hydra ended up sniping the dropship as it tried to get into his main. (if u catch it u should be able to take it down before more than 2-3 rines are out).

it was great work but u need good lord placement outside or on the edges of ur main...

also it helps as he went for reasonably early lurk and was able to morph most of them on the spot once research was done.

Overlord

Romania651 Posts

February 15 2004 14:08 GMT

What about, if he drops the rines on cliff, kills your gas, and harasses your drones? Sometimes sunkens below are not enough.. (They must be there in time, which is more money on static defense)

SpuniasauR

Australia1500 Posts

February 15 2004 14:14 GMT

dude u cant block up everything in static defence. if he starts harassing ur shit up top then move drones. or lurk below and use lord for sight... u cant have it everywhich way ^^ or go muta scourge his dropship and muta the rest

Overlord

Romania651 Posts

February 15 2004 14:30 GMT

#10

On February 15 2004 23:14 SpuniasauR wrote:
dude u cant block up everything in static defence. if he starts harassing ur shit up top then move drones. or lurk below and use lord for sight... u cant have it everywhich way ^^ or go muta scourge his dropship and muta the rest

That was exactly my point, but ... you will lose your gas, i can assure you (mm drop comes a little before muta, not to talk about lurk..) So what then? If you go lurk: 1. Lose your 2nd gas and live with it 2. Spend money on +2 sunks? (You will lose 2nd gas in case of muta too much of the time)

STIMEY d okgm fish

Canada6140 Posts

February 15 2004 14:34 GMT

#11

they are dropping you because of what you did. u chose a position where a drop owns u. and u let the terran see it easily with no doubt.

using the logic i remember from some other thread, i think from grot maybe: if you were terran, and you wanted to do that same m&m drop against a zerg, what would screw you up? what would make you change your mind about dropping or make the drop a waste? etc.

SoMuchBetter

Australia10606 Posts

February 15 2004 16:01 GMT

#12

losing your extractor is a good trade if you kill the drop force with muta or scourge. 50 minerals isnt really that much of a deal anyway