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BlissX1
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States328 Posts
December 03 2009 22:41 GMT
#41
On December 04 2009 03:05 machinehead.. wrote:
What kinda person mindlessly assumes someone isn't b- level? Lot's of irony there, but 0 substance. I mean, I even had one of my iccup reps in there; at least one of my accounts was close to B+... That's such a garbage post. I don't mindlessly play maps, but there is a feeling out process where you play a standardish way that usually works on every map, and then you start adapting.

I haven't played a map where you have to attack tanks up a hill or you have to attack them straight on. It's not anything like the dynamics on another map I've played. So your attacking siege tanks comment is just ridiculous. Usually the goal is to always wait for a favorable time to attack siege tanks, but that isn't always a luxury on this map.

If you knew more about strategy than me, you probably would have answers to my questions, rather than useless drivel.


all im really trying to say if u are talking to me, is that complaingin about a map is kinda dumb because really the maps are made to be challenging, and/ or favorable to different units. I.E, Terran tank push is harder to break on python than it is on let's say blue storm. so if you dont like the map, practice it, not midlessly but on occasion until you finally feel comfy with it.
HBR is a nice map, but it has its advantages and disadvantages... deal with it.
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machinehead..
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
412 Posts
December 03 2009 23:17 GMT
#42
Complaining about a map is kinda dumb? I think you are more than kinda dumb, but that doesn't stop you from chiming in, obviously. If there was never a need to discuss a map, since you should accept w/e disadvantages or advantages, then why would map makers keep coming out with new versions of maps to tweak the balance? Obviously, because it's an important issue.

Yeah, I can learn to cheese like Kwark, but when you like to play macro games and rely on "skill," you kinda want to make sure that you aren't missing a viable macro strategy. I'm sure terrans are dumb if they would complain about tvp on Katrina. Your logic is worthless. I switched sides of the mu and tvp was just as easy as I felt it was on it when i pvt'd. So, obviously trying to figure out how to play a macro game as toss isn't too easy.

Early game "cheese" seems to be one of the better routes to go, but it's not like it improves your game much, thus the discussions.

On another note: with the new version of the map, I'm looking forward to cheesy games every game; that seems ridiculously imbalance to me -- but ofc going to wait to see how it plays out
yarkO
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada810 Posts
December 04 2009 00:12 GMT
#43
link to the NeoHBR?
When you are prepared, there's no such thing as pressure.
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