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On August 01 2009 22:33 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:I never thought I would entertain this but  Jaedong actually has a chance to be bonjwa seeing as he will be facing a lot of  fantasy /  Bisu (the #2 and #3 players in the world) in the next few weeks.
I've been following and reading alot of Korean e-sports forums / boards and about half the ppl there are already considering or calling Jaedong as a bonjwa. 임이최마동 - Jaedong as the 5th Bonjwa. They also point out that if JD does win both Starleagues, he's truly the best SC player ever to exist.
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On August 01 2009 21:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2009 21:29 errol1001 wrote:
6 zerg in the top 12, and a fair dose of zerg through the rest of the top 30.
If I remember right, when the 6 dragons were in the top 10, they were the only game in town. 6 in top 10, and then almost none in 10-50.. Yep, Dragons were the only protosses in the top 30 at the very least. I think Backho might've been an exception at one point. He tends to be, overall, the seventh best performing Toss.
Nope. The seventh was Much
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luxury slumped into hell after winning a msl title,he doesnt deserve to be the 2nd best zerg,eff0rt now has taken over his place
i dont consider Much be 7th dragon,its either horang2 or movie.Both are very good toss nowadays
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On August 01 2009 23:01 justiceknight wrote:
luxury slumped into hell after winning a msl title,he doesnt deserve to be the 2nd best zerg,eff0rt now has taken over his place
i dont consider Much be 7th dragon,its either horang2 or movie.Both are very good toss nowadays
They're talking about the 6 dragon era though and back then much was undoubtedly the next best protoss player.
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On August 01 2009 22:50 Dice84 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2009 22:33 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:I never thought I would entertain this but Jaedong actually has a chance to be bonjwa seeing as he will be facing a lot of fantasy / Bisu (the #2 and #3 players in the world) in the next few weeks. I've been following and reading alot of Korean e-sports forums / boards and about half the ppl there are already considering or calling Jaedong as a bonjwa. 임이최마당 - Jaedong as the 5th Bonjwa. They also point out that if JD does win both Starleagues, he's truly the best SC player ever to exist.
Yeah we have to wait what koreans are gonna decide anyway.
~50% of koreans are calling him 5th bonjwa? Well im sure if he wins at least Something this season it'll be over 50%!
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Damnit Really.....
But nice improvements from Canata and Type-B.
And JD......lol =/
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On August 01 2009 20:17 Hyperionnn wrote:
Holy fuck jaedong, holy fuck
i second this motion.
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It's crazy - Jaedong can win it all this year, PL and both StarLeagues. If he does that he gets bonjwa status for sure.
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Fantasy cutting Flash soon...
Jaedong......... i'm speechless.
lets see what happens sunday
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Wow JD..
And also happy for Canata =)
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Well Jd has all factors on his side, starting with the maps, and the fact that he most likely will have to zvz his way to the titles. Its true that there can only be one alpha zerg at the time. During TaekBang, Bisu and Stork had to face each other in the OSL, which denied Bisu from winning everything in one season. Back then Jaedong was having a hard time, but now the momentum is totally shifted.
As a loyal fanboy I will find positives in Bisu's current performance ,although he is eclipsed by Jaedong. KTY is holding his own, if he wins the MSL given the metagame today it will be a savior-style triumph. To stop the Jaedong madness, all KeSPa has to do is to launch 2 very TvZ friendly maps, but I think this time they want JD to become the icon the e-sport is missing for so long.
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Sea is at 30
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On August 02 2009 00:15 disciple wrote:
Well Jd has all factors on his side, starting with the maps, and the fact that he most likely will have to zvz his way to the titles. Its true that there can only be one alpha zerg at the time. During TaekBang, Bisu and Stork had to face each other in the OSL, which denied Bisu from winning everything in one season. Back then Jaedong was having a hard time, but now the momentum is totally shifted.
As a loyal fanboy I will find positives in Bisu's current performance ,although he is eclipsed by Jaedong. KTY is holding his own, if he wins the MSL given the metagame today it will be a savior-style triumph. To stop the Jaedong madness, all KeSPa has to do is to launch 2 very TvZ friendly maps, but I think this time they want JD to become the icon the e-sport is missing for so long.
Well.. Heartbreak Ridge is TvZ favored. Byzantium 3 is TvZ favored. Destination is TvZ favored. Shades of Twilight is TvZ favored... I doubt that really is the problem. And it wouldn't make sense to make a completely impossible TvZ map (No gas natural, very difficult to defend third base that has the second gas), that wouldn't really be fair since even if JD won less, no other Zergs could do anything.
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Looking at what happened last night, it'd be the Seven Demons.
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On August 01 2009 20:43 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2009 20:29 SkelA wrote:
Damn Jaedong i cant imagine what would happen if he somehow wins osl+ msl = 5k+ points!!! Lol yeah would definitely be interesting to see how high he scores, should he win both Show nested quote +On August 01 2009 20:20 Plexa wrote:On August 01 2009 20:16 Emlary wrote:
One more thing, Jaedong is the first progamer ever to break 3,000 points since KeSPA rankings was established in November 2001. That's such a misleading statement  The only reason he's broken 3k is because of the KeSPA rank restructuring which handed out a lot more points than the old system. Before the overhaul it was incredibly difficult to break 1000, hence why no one had done this before. Boxer/Nada/Oov/Savior probably would have done the same tbh =/ Pft you're just sad that your predicted Jaedong-slump still hasn't happened yet hehe jk, you're right of course, but could someone tell me when the latest change of kespa scoring system was made?
I can't find the article, but the change happend just after Savior beat Nada in the OSL and just before Savior lost to Bisu in the MSL.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/kespa_ranking.php?year=2007&month=2&action=Update
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/kespa_ranking.php?year=2007&month=3&action=Update
The first link is the month before the change, and the 2nd is the month after the change. The things that got changed were;
- Change from a 12 month system to a 3-month system (+decay for things outside of 3 months)
- OSL and MSL weighted equally independent of prizemoney (used to be that more $$ = more kespa points)
- Proleague counted in the ranking (used to just be OSL/MSL)
With those changes in mind its not hard to imagine why they shot up in value since all these unvalued proleague games suddenly gained them points. Also, after that season proleague moved into a 2 games a team per week style (used to be one game a week per team). Which further inflated their scores since more games were being played.
On August 01 2009 20:53 nonduc wrote:
The short history of the absolute records in KeSPA ranking:
Boxer — on 2002 Dec 2398 Points;
Jaedong — on 2008 Mar 2400.3 Points;
Jaedong — on 2009 Apr 2664 Points;
Jaedong — on 2009 May 2708.3 Points;
Jaedong — on 2009 Jun 2720.3 Points;
Jaedong — on 2009 Aug 3224.5 Points!
Basically, that translates roughly to boxer having 5000 points today.
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It's more accurate to look at comparative scores than absolute imo.
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On August 02 2009 00:32 Plexa wrote:
Basically, that translates roughly to boxer having 5000 points today.
I hope the two links weren't suppose to suggest that the changes significantly increased savior's points and therefore boxer's point should be doubled too. Because if you look at everyone other than Savior, their points didn't change much at all, which meant Savior probably won a title that month - someone can check that.
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I guess what matters is how many points the person with the second-highest Kespa ranking have in comparsion to Boxer's. Then again, it doesn't really matter. This just shows us that Jaedong is pretty sick, though. ^_^ I wonder what'll happen if Jaedong wins both the MSL and the OSL.
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On August 01 2009 20:20 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2009 20:16 Emlary wrote:
One more thing, Jaedong is the first progamer ever to break 3,000 points since KeSPA rankings was established in November 2001. That's such a misleading statement The only reason he's broken 3k is because of the KeSPA rank restructuring which handed out a lot more points than the old system. Before the overhaul it was incredibly difficult to break 1000, hence why no one had done this before. Boxer/Nada/Oov/Savior probably would have done the same tbh =/
Agree with your comparisons up to the point it's known when the changes in points were made.
But, were ever in history such differences in top 3? My point is, if this system gives more points, why susch difference?
He has (to better comparate with another eras) 1.28x what Bisu has, and 1.56x what Flash has.
And that is simply complete domination.
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EPT
