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Motiva
United States1774 Posts
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
Bonjwa is decided by watching players, not points. If JD beats Fantasy and then wins OSL (a near certainty he wins a ZvZ final) and also beats Bisu in the MSL finals (or some other player, but preferably Bisu), it will be very, very hard not to be overwhelmed by his dominance and start LEGITIMATELY using the most overused word on TL. Certainly, if he wins both leagues, he is indisputably the greatest Zerg of all time. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 02 2009 04:09 darktreb wrote: Certainly, if he wins both leagues, he is indisputably the greatest Zerg of all time. Was that ever in dispute? Jaedong firmly has the hold on greatest absolute play skill. The question was never "is Jaedong good enough?", but "is Jaedong dominant enough?". | ||
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
But as for Jaedong over 3000 points.... wow.... but still, if this was BoxeR's days into today's point system, BoxeR would easily have over 3000! ^_^ And yes, it seems if JD wins both OSL and MSL this season plus OZ wins Proleague, we might actually see possibly over 4000 or 5000!?!?!?!? But.... that won't happen.... F-a-n-t-a-s-y! | ||
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ForTheSwarm
United States556 Posts
On August 02 2009 04:14 QuickStriker wrote: I am happy though of Canata's recent performance and his 19 rank upgrade!!! Congrats Canata!!! But as for Jaedong over 3000 points.... wow.... but still, if this was BoxeR's days into today's point system, BoxeR would easily have over 3000! ^_^ And yes, it seems if JD wins both OSL and MSL this season plus OZ wins Proleague, we might actually see possibly over 4000 or 5000!?!?!?!? But.... that won't happen.... F-a-n-t-a-s-y! Fantasy sucks more balls than your mom. Just kidding, Lol, I'm just THE BIGGEST JD FAN BOY EVAR! (Stupid fantasy...) Lee Jae Dong DESTROYING!!! | ||
disciple
9071 Posts
On August 02 2009 03:42 DarkOptik wrote: I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about; are you saying that the one of the reasons that Jaedong is winning everything this season is because everyone else...sucks? Your "Flash sucks heavily in TvZ" seems to be implying as such. As for "only real rivals": Bisu and Fantasy? Well, so? When you are at the very peak of the game, how many real rivals do you expect to have? Bisu's only real rival was Stork back when he was at his peak; one can argue perhaps Flash as well. I'm also not particularly sure why you are bringing up Bisu's previous foray into "bonjwa-ness"; what merits does that comparison have? Because Bisu got the necessary factors 2 season ago, to win everything all together, but he failed because he was not only one who was doing well in the current situations (6 dragons, Stork in particular). I'm not going to insult Jaedong or his fans, but by that time he had no major achievement in any of the leagues. Stork was not Bisu's only rival - fantasy was doing great and JangBi made it to the finals of both GOM and MSL. And yes, with the exception of fantasy, Iris (?!) and maybe Bisu, every non-zerg player is having a hard time in the StarLeagues or even in PL. Who is contesting Jaedong's domination this season ? Calm, type-b, or maybe Kwanro? Damn, you EffOrt. Still, while another 80% win rate monster is lurking around, how could you consider JD the undisputed best player in the world? As I said Jaedong wont have a better chance to win everything. All he has to do now is to beat fantasy and he will zvz his way to all golds His huge lead in the KeSPa rank is only a matter of calculation formula, he never got away from Bisu in the ELO ranking, and his winning percentage is not by 700 points gap better than KTY's (in fact ever since JD won Batoo he is 70% percent win, where Bisu is 73%... this is ofc irrelevant since Jaedong played almost 20 games more) | ||
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ilistis
United States828 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 02 2009 04:20 disciple wrote: Because Bisu got the necessary factors 2 season ago, to win everything all together, but he failed because he was not only one who was doing well in the current situations (6 dragons, Stork in particular). I'm not going to insult Jaedong or his fans, but by that time he had no major achievement in any of the leagues. Stork was not Bisu's only rival - fantasy was doing great and JangBi made it to the finals of both GOM and MSL. And yes, with the exception of fantasy, Iris (?!) and maybe Bisu, every non-zerg player is having a hard time in the StarLeagues or even in PL. Who is contesting Jaedong's domination this season ? Calm, type-b, or maybe Kwanro? Damn, you EffOrt. Still, while another 80% win rate monster is lurking around, how could you consider JD the undisputed best player in the world? As I said Jaedong wont have a better chance to win everything. All he has to do now is to beat fantasy and he will zvz his way to all golds His huge lead in the KeSPa rank is only a matter of calculation formula, he never got away from Bisu in the ELO ranking, and his winning percentage is not by 700 points gap better than KTY's (in fact ever since JD won Batoo he is 70% percent win, where Bisu is 73%... this is ofc irrelevant since Jaedong played almost 20 games more) Maybe Bisu should play well, then? Maybe he should win important games? Maybe he should win an OSL? =OOOOOO | ||
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disciple
9071 Posts
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On August 02 2009 04:13 TheYango wrote: Was that ever in dispute? Jaedong firmly has the hold on greatest absolute play skill. The question was never "is Jaedong good enough?", but "is Jaedong dominant enough?". He obviously has the most play skill, but then again Flash and Fantasy both obviously have more play skill than any of the Terran bonjwas ever had. "Greatest Zerg" is at least sort of in dispute as long as he doesn't have the most Starleague wins of any Zerg. If JD wins even one, he's probably there, but if he wins both he's clearly above Savior (3 MSL 1 OSL) and July (3 OSL), no matter how you want to measure the leagues (shot at the people who love super hyper devaluing MSL to look cool). | ||
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natturner
342 Posts
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On August 02 2009 04:31 Shikyo wrote: Maybe Bisu should play well, then? Maybe he should win important games? Maybe he should win an OSL? =OOOOOO Hahaha it brings me such joy that it's so easy to burn Bisu, even if he is the greatest Protoss player ever. As usual, as long as there is (any reasonable) debate about bonjwa, he isn't one. But, if JD takes down Fantasy and Bisu (especially with dominating performances), it's going to be really hard not to use the word. This is coming from a huge Savior fan who cares a lot about protecting the "sanctity" of the overused bonjwa phrase. | ||
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
Seriously, it's no secret you're the biggest anti-Jaedong troller in this forum, I laugh everytime I see you post about him. And Bisu had a really easy road to in his last MSL win, are you serious, FBH and Hwasin, then Free and Jangbi (classic choker, exhibit A: owned by LUXURY in the following MSL final), just when Bisu was becoming really dominant in PvP? I guess it diminishes his wins since he was so much better at PvP than them according to your line of argument. And Bisu won a shitty tournament (GOM), barely squeaking by Flash 2-1 on Protoss favored maps and he didn't have to do it. Oh yeah, and here's the kicker. He didn't have to play those two tournaments in the same time frame. If Jaedong wins both SL, he's about as close as you can get to a Bonjwa in the current age, and much closer than Bisu ever was. | ||
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
I also like how you say All he (Jaedong) has to do now is to beat fantasy as if it's some meaningless feat yet you use Fantasy's presence in favor of Bisu's past dominance even though they never played in the aforementioned starleagues.Your argument is dripping with bias and an objective. | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Bifur
Russian Federation1208 Posts
 Jaedong to  BoxeR:BoxeR's career on TV so far: 253-207Jaedong's career on TV so far: 256-116 | ||
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Ozarugold
2716 Posts
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
There I said the "B" word three times. edit: I hope the stress doesn't break him! 2 starleagues and proleague holy cow. | ||
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MannerMan
371 Posts
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