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lFrost
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States295 Posts
July 18 2009 03:56 GMT
#61
Stork > SKT1

Incruit OSL:
Stork 2:1 Bisu ro8
Stork 3:1 Best ro4
Stork 3:2 Fantasy finals

OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-18 04:00:20
July 18 2009 03:58 GMT
#62
On July 18 2009 12:47 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2009 11:02 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 11:00 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 08:36 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 04:11 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 04:03 NonFactor wrote:
On July 18 2009 03:45 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 03:38 BisuBoi wrote:
Hotbid I have to disagree with you on Stork/JB < Bisu/Best. You look at those pairs of toss and if they faced off, at worst, Khan would go 1-1. Stork vs Bisu is a cointoss, but JB will wreck Best. I don't know how you can say JB is slumping (he is) and not mention how utter shat Best is right now.

And then on the flipside, Jangbi vs Bisu is a loss for Khan, but Best vs Stork is no way in hell going to be a SKT win. Stork's PvP is 10x better than Best's. Best had a hot streak but once everyone realized he's a macro hound without any tactical sense, his days were numbered. Stork's got his number and will not come up short vs this guy.

Then you look at the other matchups possible. As if Best's vZ is better than Stork's? And Jangbi's sure as hell is better than Best's. Bisu is the best toss out of all 4 of them, but Best is the worst. Best and worst vs 2 very very solid toss. In my op, it's equal if not favoring Khan.

Stork and Best are pretty similar in PvP skill, Bisu is clearly superior to both of them currently, and JangBi is somewhere in between or around Stork/Best.


Fanboy. Stork whooped Bisu last time they met, and will do so again. Best is horrible currently, slumping even more then Stork and Jangbi.

Bisu whooped Stork in an MSL Finals setting, when Stork was in better form than he is now and Bisu was not as good as he is now. The loss Bisu has to Stork is on SoT in Proleague, which means fuck-all. Bisu is 8-4 vs. JangBi. Best raped Stork the last time they fought after the Incruit OSL, and is 3-0 vs. JangBi in the past year. Get out.

T1 is obviously better than KHAN right now, but you can't assume anything in Bisu vs Stork. Stork always plays well against Bisu, and is slightly ahead in head to head. Jangbi and Best are both not at the top of their game right now, so I would expect something around 50-50 there too. (maybe tiny edge towards Best) The equation drastically changes when you mix in Fantasy, who's very good at TvP and TvZ. FBH would have to step up his play for KHAN in order to overcome SKT. Having said that, at least the Samsung Zerg lineup is obviously superior - by.great! (again, not too hot lately but he's solid)

I think it's pretty clear that if you pitted Bisu and Stork in a Bo9 right this moment, Bisu would curbstomp Stork. Stork's form is so bad in almost every match-up, even the good PvT game he played vs. Fantasy he lost, whereas Bisu just 2-0'd Fantasy in the MSL. I agree that Best and Jangbi would be a good game, and that there is a slight edge towards Best. I was only talking about the Protosses of the respective teams, and I think that right now it's pretty evident that T1 Protoss > KHAN's. Samsung Zerg is definitely better than SKT1's, but that's not much of an accomplishment, and it's not a deep line-up of Zergs either. Fantasy is better than FBH right now. So basically, T1 > Khan.

No. Bisu would not curbstomp Stork. It would be a very close series.

Keep dreaming baby <3

quite you clueless fool

watch some stork vs bisu pvps (the latest one helps. it was during stork's mini "slump.") and then come talk to me. bisu brings the best out of stork. curbstomp my ass
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-18 04:10:18
July 18 2009 04:06 GMT
#63
On July 18 2009 12:58 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2009 12:47 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 11:02 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 11:00 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 08:36 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 04:11 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 04:03 NonFactor wrote:
On July 18 2009 03:45 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 03:38 BisuBoi wrote:
Hotbid I have to disagree with you on Stork/JB < Bisu/Best. You look at those pairs of toss and if they faced off, at worst, Khan would go 1-1. Stork vs Bisu is a cointoss, but JB will wreck Best. I don't know how you can say JB is slumping (he is) and not mention how utter shat Best is right now.

And then on the flipside, Jangbi vs Bisu is a loss for Khan, but Best vs Stork is no way in hell going to be a SKT win. Stork's PvP is 10x better than Best's. Best had a hot streak but once everyone realized he's a macro hound without any tactical sense, his days were numbered. Stork's got his number and will not come up short vs this guy.

Then you look at the other matchups possible. As if Best's vZ is better than Stork's? And Jangbi's sure as hell is better than Best's. Bisu is the best toss out of all 4 of them, but Best is the worst. Best and worst vs 2 very very solid toss. In my op, it's equal if not favoring Khan.

Stork and Best are pretty similar in PvP skill, Bisu is clearly superior to both of them currently, and JangBi is somewhere in between or around Stork/Best.


Fanboy. Stork whooped Bisu last time they met, and will do so again. Best is horrible currently, slumping even more then Stork and Jangbi.

Bisu whooped Stork in an MSL Finals setting, when Stork was in better form than he is now and Bisu was not as good as he is now. The loss Bisu has to Stork is on SoT in Proleague, which means fuck-all. Bisu is 8-4 vs. JangBi. Best raped Stork the last time they fought after the Incruit OSL, and is 3-0 vs. JangBi in the past year. Get out.

T1 is obviously better than KHAN right now, but you can't assume anything in Bisu vs Stork. Stork always plays well against Bisu, and is slightly ahead in head to head. Jangbi and Best are both not at the top of their game right now, so I would expect something around 50-50 there too. (maybe tiny edge towards Best) The equation drastically changes when you mix in Fantasy, who's very good at TvP and TvZ. FBH would have to step up his play for KHAN in order to overcome SKT. Having said that, at least the Samsung Zerg lineup is obviously superior - by.great! (again, not too hot lately but he's solid)

I think it's pretty clear that if you pitted Bisu and Stork in a Bo9 right this moment, Bisu would curbstomp Stork. Stork's form is so bad in almost every match-up, even the good PvT game he played vs. Fantasy he lost, whereas Bisu just 2-0'd Fantasy in the MSL. I agree that Best and Jangbi would be a good game, and that there is a slight edge towards Best. I was only talking about the Protosses of the respective teams, and I think that right now it's pretty evident that T1 Protoss > KHAN's. Samsung Zerg is definitely better than SKT1's, but that's not much of an accomplishment, and it's not a deep line-up of Zergs either. Fantasy is better than FBH right now. So basically, T1 > Khan.

No. Bisu would not curbstomp Stork. It would be a very close series.

Keep dreaming baby <3

quite you clueless fool

watch some stork vs bisu pvps (the latest one helps. it was during stork's mini "slump.") and then come talk to me. bisu brings the best out of stork. curbstomp my ass

Let's make a bet for their next match.

If Bisu wins the next Bo1, you get banned for a week. If he loses, I get banned for a week.

If Bisu wins the next Bo#, I get your account at some point for a week of my choosing (no mod priveleges will be used EDIT: haha you don't have any). If he loses, I get banned for # x weeks and something else you can propose.
Peace~
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
July 18 2009 04:08 GMT
#64
On July 18 2009 08:14 koreasilver wrote:
I just ran past a post that said Calm is better than Effort except in ZvZ in this thread.

That's just hilarious.


I don't even know what to say
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-18 04:31:12
July 18 2009 04:27 GMT
#65
On July 18 2009 13:06 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2009 12:58 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 12:47 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 11:02 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 11:00 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 08:36 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 04:11 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 04:03 NonFactor wrote:
On July 18 2009 03:45 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 03:38 BisuBoi wrote:
Hotbid I have to disagree with you on Stork/JB < Bisu/Best. You look at those pairs of toss and if they faced off, at worst, Khan would go 1-1. Stork vs Bisu is a cointoss, but JB will wreck Best. I don't know how you can say JB is slumping (he is) and not mention how utter shat Best is right now.

And then on the flipside, Jangbi vs Bisu is a loss for Khan, but Best vs Stork is no way in hell going to be a SKT win. Stork's PvP is 10x better than Best's. Best had a hot streak but once everyone realized he's a macro hound without any tactical sense, his days were numbered. Stork's got his number and will not come up short vs this guy.

Then you look at the other matchups possible. As if Best's vZ is better than Stork's? And Jangbi's sure as hell is better than Best's. Bisu is the best toss out of all 4 of them, but Best is the worst. Best and worst vs 2 very very solid toss. In my op, it's equal if not favoring Khan.

Stork and Best are pretty similar in PvP skill, Bisu is clearly superior to both of them currently, and JangBi is somewhere in between or around Stork/Best.


Fanboy. Stork whooped Bisu last time they met, and will do so again. Best is horrible currently, slumping even more then Stork and Jangbi.

Bisu whooped Stork in an MSL Finals setting, when Stork was in better form than he is now and Bisu was not as good as he is now. The loss Bisu has to Stork is on SoT in Proleague, which means fuck-all. Bisu is 8-4 vs. JangBi. Best raped Stork the last time they fought after the Incruit OSL, and is 3-0 vs. JangBi in the past year. Get out.

T1 is obviously better than KHAN right now, but you can't assume anything in Bisu vs Stork. Stork always plays well against Bisu, and is slightly ahead in head to head. Jangbi and Best are both not at the top of their game right now, so I would expect something around 50-50 there too. (maybe tiny edge towards Best) The equation drastically changes when you mix in Fantasy, who's very good at TvP and TvZ. FBH would have to step up his play for KHAN in order to overcome SKT. Having said that, at least the Samsung Zerg lineup is obviously superior - by.great! (again, not too hot lately but he's solid)

I think it's pretty clear that if you pitted Bisu and Stork in a Bo9 right this moment, Bisu would curbstomp Stork. Stork's form is so bad in almost every match-up, even the good PvT game he played vs. Fantasy he lost, whereas Bisu just 2-0'd Fantasy in the MSL. I agree that Best and Jangbi would be a good game, and that there is a slight edge towards Best. I was only talking about the Protosses of the respective teams, and I think that right now it's pretty evident that T1 Protoss > KHAN's. Samsung Zerg is definitely better than SKT1's, but that's not much of an accomplishment, and it's not a deep line-up of Zergs either. Fantasy is better than FBH right now. So basically, T1 > Khan.

No. Bisu would not curbstomp Stork. It would be a very close series.

Keep dreaming baby <3

quite you clueless fool

watch some stork vs bisu pvps (the latest one helps. it was during stork's mini "slump.") and then come talk to me. bisu brings the best out of stork. curbstomp my ass

Let's make a bet for their next match.

If Bisu wins the next Bo1, you get banned for a week. If he loses, I get banned for a week.

If Bisu wins the next Bo#, I get your account at some point for a week of my choosing (no mod priveleges will be used EDIT: haha you don't have any). If he loses, I get banned for # x weeks and something else you can propose.

hey dude, did i ever claim that stork would surely win vs bisu? i said it would be a close series, and that i honestly don't know who would win. head to head record and recent games confirm my belief. all i know is that it would be nothing near a curbstomp. stop being retarded and no i am not gonna make stupid bets with you for something i never even claimed. come on fantacist you are not this bad
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
July 18 2009 04:38 GMT
#66
On July 18 2009 13:27 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2009 13:06 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 12:58 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 12:47 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 11:02 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 11:00 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 08:36 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 04:11 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 04:03 NonFactor wrote:
On July 18 2009 03:45 fanatacist wrote:
[quote]
Stork and Best are pretty similar in PvP skill, Bisu is clearly superior to both of them currently, and JangBi is somewhere in between or around Stork/Best.


Fanboy. Stork whooped Bisu last time they met, and will do so again. Best is horrible currently, slumping even more then Stork and Jangbi.

Bisu whooped Stork in an MSL Finals setting, when Stork was in better form than he is now and Bisu was not as good as he is now. The loss Bisu has to Stork is on SoT in Proleague, which means fuck-all. Bisu is 8-4 vs. JangBi. Best raped Stork the last time they fought after the Incruit OSL, and is 3-0 vs. JangBi in the past year. Get out.

T1 is obviously better than KHAN right now, but you can't assume anything in Bisu vs Stork. Stork always plays well against Bisu, and is slightly ahead in head to head. Jangbi and Best are both not at the top of their game right now, so I would expect something around 50-50 there too. (maybe tiny edge towards Best) The equation drastically changes when you mix in Fantasy, who's very good at TvP and TvZ. FBH would have to step up his play for KHAN in order to overcome SKT. Having said that, at least the Samsung Zerg lineup is obviously superior - by.great! (again, not too hot lately but he's solid)

I think it's pretty clear that if you pitted Bisu and Stork in a Bo9 right this moment, Bisu would curbstomp Stork. Stork's form is so bad in almost every match-up, even the good PvT game he played vs. Fantasy he lost, whereas Bisu just 2-0'd Fantasy in the MSL. I agree that Best and Jangbi would be a good game, and that there is a slight edge towards Best. I was only talking about the Protosses of the respective teams, and I think that right now it's pretty evident that T1 Protoss > KHAN's. Samsung Zerg is definitely better than SKT1's, but that's not much of an accomplishment, and it's not a deep line-up of Zergs either. Fantasy is better than FBH right now. So basically, T1 > Khan.

No. Bisu would not curbstomp Stork. It would be a very close series.

Keep dreaming baby <3

quite you clueless fool

watch some stork vs bisu pvps (the latest one helps. it was during stork's mini "slump.") and then come talk to me. bisu brings the best out of stork. curbstomp my ass

Let's make a bet for their next match.

If Bisu wins the next Bo1, you get banned for a week. If he loses, I get banned for a week.

If Bisu wins the next Bo#, I get your account at some point for a week of my choosing (no mod priveleges will be used EDIT: haha you don't have any). If he loses, I get banned for # x weeks and something else you can propose.

hey dude, did i ever claim that stork would surely win vs bisu? i said it would be a close series, and that i honestly don't know who would win. head to head record and recent games confirm my belief. all i know is that it would be nothing near a curbstomp. stop being retarded and no i am not gonna make stupid bets with you for something i never even claimed. come on fantacist you are not this bad

Well I know you never said that Stork would win but I thought this would make it more interesting ): People did it before, it wasn't like a "lol homolosers" type thing.

Lifetime head-to-head confirms nothing, same with PL matches that had no weight. Right now Bisu's play is far stronger than Stork's in every MU, period.
Peace~
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
July 18 2009 04:43 GMT
#67
On July 18 2009 13:38 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2009 13:27 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 13:06 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 12:58 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 12:47 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 11:02 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 11:00 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 08:36 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 04:11 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 04:03 NonFactor wrote:
[quote]

Fanboy. Stork whooped Bisu last time they met, and will do so again. Best is horrible currently, slumping even more then Stork and Jangbi.

Bisu whooped Stork in an MSL Finals setting, when Stork was in better form than he is now and Bisu was not as good as he is now. The loss Bisu has to Stork is on SoT in Proleague, which means fuck-all. Bisu is 8-4 vs. JangBi. Best raped Stork the last time they fought after the Incruit OSL, and is 3-0 vs. JangBi in the past year. Get out.

T1 is obviously better than KHAN right now, but you can't assume anything in Bisu vs Stork. Stork always plays well against Bisu, and is slightly ahead in head to head. Jangbi and Best are both not at the top of their game right now, so I would expect something around 50-50 there too. (maybe tiny edge towards Best) The equation drastically changes when you mix in Fantasy, who's very good at TvP and TvZ. FBH would have to step up his play for KHAN in order to overcome SKT. Having said that, at least the Samsung Zerg lineup is obviously superior - by.great! (again, not too hot lately but he's solid)

I think it's pretty clear that if you pitted Bisu and Stork in a Bo9 right this moment, Bisu would curbstomp Stork. Stork's form is so bad in almost every match-up, even the good PvT game he played vs. Fantasy he lost, whereas Bisu just 2-0'd Fantasy in the MSL. I agree that Best and Jangbi would be a good game, and that there is a slight edge towards Best. I was only talking about the Protosses of the respective teams, and I think that right now it's pretty evident that T1 Protoss > KHAN's. Samsung Zerg is definitely better than SKT1's, but that's not much of an accomplishment, and it's not a deep line-up of Zergs either. Fantasy is better than FBH right now. So basically, T1 > Khan.

No. Bisu would not curbstomp Stork. It would be a very close series.

Keep dreaming baby <3

quite you clueless fool

watch some stork vs bisu pvps (the latest one helps. it was during stork's mini "slump.") and then come talk to me. bisu brings the best out of stork. curbstomp my ass

Let's make a bet for their next match.

If Bisu wins the next Bo1, you get banned for a week. If he loses, I get banned for a week.

If Bisu wins the next Bo#, I get your account at some point for a week of my choosing (no mod priveleges will be used EDIT: haha you don't have any). If he loses, I get banned for # x weeks and something else you can propose.

hey dude, did i ever claim that stork would surely win vs bisu? i said it would be a close series, and that i honestly don't know who would win. head to head record and recent games confirm my belief. all i know is that it would be nothing near a curbstomp. stop being retarded and no i am not gonna make stupid bets with you for something i never even claimed. come on fantacist you are not this bad

Well I know you never said that Stork would win but I thought this would make it more interesting ): People did it before, it wasn't like a "lol homolosers" type thing.

Lifetime head-to-head confirms nothing, same with PL matches that had no weight. Right now Bisu's play is far stronger than Stork's in every MU, period.

yes bisu is stronger overall at the moment but that doesn't mean that much in PvPs of Stork and Bisu. many times they have played each other the "weaker" one has beaten the "stronger" one
dinmsab
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Malaysia2246 Posts
July 18 2009 04:45 GMT
#68
On July 18 2009 08:12 For_The_Swarm wrote:
LMAO. I go through and read this whole post and then what do I see...

I see that the OP author is not a KHAN fan, but a Stars fan?!?!?!?

lol


I guess it just proves not only Khan fans think Khan has a shot at this.
..
BisuBoi
Profile Joined February 2009
United States350 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-18 08:07:21
July 18 2009 08:06 GMT
#69
On July 18 2009 13:38 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2009 13:27 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 13:06 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 12:58 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 12:47 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 11:02 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 11:00 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 08:36 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 04:11 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 04:03 NonFactor wrote:
[quote]

Fanboy. Stork whooped Bisu last time they met, and will do so again. Best is horrible currently, slumping even more then Stork and Jangbi.

Bisu whooped Stork in an MSL Finals setting, when Stork was in better form than he is now and Bisu was not as good as he is now. The loss Bisu has to Stork is on SoT in Proleague, which means fuck-all. Bisu is 8-4 vs. JangBi. Best raped Stork the last time they fought after the Incruit OSL, and is 3-0 vs. JangBi in the past year. Get out.

T1 is obviously better than KHAN right now, but you can't assume anything in Bisu vs Stork. Stork always plays well against Bisu, and is slightly ahead in head to head. Jangbi and Best are both not at the top of their game right now, so I would expect something around 50-50 there too. (maybe tiny edge towards Best) The equation drastically changes when you mix in Fantasy, who's very good at TvP and TvZ. FBH would have to step up his play for KHAN in order to overcome SKT. Having said that, at least the Samsung Zerg lineup is obviously superior - by.great! (again, not too hot lately but he's solid)

I think it's pretty clear that if you pitted Bisu and Stork in a Bo9 right this moment, Bisu would curbstomp Stork. Stork's form is so bad in almost every match-up, even the good PvT game he played vs. Fantasy he lost, whereas Bisu just 2-0'd Fantasy in the MSL. I agree that Best and Jangbi would be a good game, and that there is a slight edge towards Best. I was only talking about the Protosses of the respective teams, and I think that right now it's pretty evident that T1 Protoss > KHAN's. Samsung Zerg is definitely better than SKT1's, but that's not much of an accomplishment, and it's not a deep line-up of Zergs either. Fantasy is better than FBH right now. So basically, T1 > Khan.

No. Bisu would not curbstomp Stork. It would be a very close series.

Keep dreaming baby <3

quite you clueless fool

watch some stork vs bisu pvps (the latest one helps. it was during stork's mini "slump.") and then come talk to me. bisu brings the best out of stork. curbstomp my ass

Let's make a bet for their next match.

If Bisu wins the next Bo1, you get banned for a week. If he loses, I get banned for a week.

If Bisu wins the next Bo#, I get your account at some point for a week of my choosing (no mod priveleges will be used EDIT: haha you don't have any). If he loses, I get banned for # x weeks and something else you can propose.

hey dude, did i ever claim that stork would surely win vs bisu? i said it would be a close series, and that i honestly don't know who would win. head to head record and recent games confirm my belief. all i know is that it would be nothing near a curbstomp. stop being retarded and no i am not gonna make stupid bets with you for something i never even claimed. come on fantacist you are not this bad

Well I know you never said that Stork would win but I thought this would make it more interesting ): People did it before, it wasn't like a "lol homolosers" type thing.

Lifetime head-to-head confirms nothing, same with PL matches that had no weight. Right now Bisu's play is far stronger than Stork's in every MU, period.


Why so much vitriol fana? It's not a big deal. It's like you want to play thought police with people's opinions. OneOther has a different opinion. It's not like he's talking crazy shit like FBH > Bisu. Stork vs Bisu is and always has been a very heated match up. They're both league winners and both have long histories of being dominant toss players. It is far from a foregone conclusion. Say what you want about Stork's slumping but he's no Savior. He's one of the most consistent players of all time.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 18 2009 08:42 GMT
#70
On July 18 2009 00:47 SuperArc wrote:
I dont agree with CJ being STX light. :p

But I think if Khan wins, it will be thanks to great.


what did I say :p
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Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
July 18 2009 13:33 GMT
#71
On July 18 2009 17:42 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2009 00:47 SuperArc wrote:
I dont agree with CJ being STX light. :p

But I think if Khan wins, it will be thanks to great.


what did I say :p


Yes, yes, you're very smart.

Now shut up.+ Show Spoiler +
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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
July 18 2009 14:15 GMT
#72
Khan is gonna get stomped by CJ
so far so good they're doing well
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cosiant
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada616 Posts
July 18 2009 14:43 GMT
#73
Khan's dominance is inevitable, at the most important moment they will show their true colors, aka blue, aka color of rape.
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
July 18 2009 15:03 GMT
#74
On July 18 2009 17:06 BisuBoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2009 13:38 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 13:27 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 13:06 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 12:58 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 12:47 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 11:02 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 11:00 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 08:36 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 04:11 fanatacist wrote:
[quote]
Bisu whooped Stork in an MSL Finals setting, when Stork was in better form than he is now and Bisu was not as good as he is now. The loss Bisu has to Stork is on SoT in Proleague, which means fuck-all. Bisu is 8-4 vs. JangBi. Best raped Stork the last time they fought after the Incruit OSL, and is 3-0 vs. JangBi in the past year. Get out.

T1 is obviously better than KHAN right now, but you can't assume anything in Bisu vs Stork. Stork always plays well against Bisu, and is slightly ahead in head to head. Jangbi and Best are both not at the top of their game right now, so I would expect something around 50-50 there too. (maybe tiny edge towards Best) The equation drastically changes when you mix in Fantasy, who's very good at TvP and TvZ. FBH would have to step up his play for KHAN in order to overcome SKT. Having said that, at least the Samsung Zerg lineup is obviously superior - by.great! (again, not too hot lately but he's solid)

I think it's pretty clear that if you pitted Bisu and Stork in a Bo9 right this moment, Bisu would curbstomp Stork. Stork's form is so bad in almost every match-up, even the good PvT game he played vs. Fantasy he lost, whereas Bisu just 2-0'd Fantasy in the MSL. I agree that Best and Jangbi would be a good game, and that there is a slight edge towards Best. I was only talking about the Protosses of the respective teams, and I think that right now it's pretty evident that T1 Protoss > KHAN's. Samsung Zerg is definitely better than SKT1's, but that's not much of an accomplishment, and it's not a deep line-up of Zergs either. Fantasy is better than FBH right now. So basically, T1 > Khan.

No. Bisu would not curbstomp Stork. It would be a very close series.

Keep dreaming baby <3

quite you clueless fool

watch some stork vs bisu pvps (the latest one helps. it was during stork's mini "slump.") and then come talk to me. bisu brings the best out of stork. curbstomp my ass

Let's make a bet for their next match.

If Bisu wins the next Bo1, you get banned for a week. If he loses, I get banned for a week.

If Bisu wins the next Bo#, I get your account at some point for a week of my choosing (no mod priveleges will be used EDIT: haha you don't have any). If he loses, I get banned for # x weeks and something else you can propose.

hey dude, did i ever claim that stork would surely win vs bisu? i said it would be a close series, and that i honestly don't know who would win. head to head record and recent games confirm my belief. all i know is that it would be nothing near a curbstomp. stop being retarded and no i am not gonna make stupid bets with you for something i never even claimed. come on fantacist you are not this bad

Well I know you never said that Stork would win but I thought this would make it more interesting ): People did it before, it wasn't like a "lol homolosers" type thing.

Lifetime head-to-head confirms nothing, same with PL matches that had no weight. Right now Bisu's play is far stronger than Stork's in every MU, period.


Why so much vitriol fana? It's not a big deal. It's like you want to play thought police with people's opinions. OneOther has a different opinion. It's not like he's talking crazy shit like FBH > Bisu. Stork vs Bisu is and always has been a very heated match up. They're both league winners and both have long histories of being dominant toss players. It is far from a foregone conclusion. Say what you want about Stork's slumping but he's no Savior. He's one of the most consistent players of all time.

1. Why do you enter this conversation, that is over, to tell me this? "play thought police" LOL please stop you're cracking me up.

2. He is below 50% since June 1st. How is that consistent? Yea he was consistent before, but not anymore.
Peace~
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
July 18 2009 16:00 GMT
#75
Well whatever you wanna say about Khan, one thing is certain. They sure know how to pick their lineups.
God Bless
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
July 18 2009 17:47 GMT
#76
Do not underestimate Khan when we didn't see their fringe players much on TV. They are progamers still and not far off from S class, just a BO away. On their day they can upset best players like Last did to Stork. I am sure they will take the series tomorrow as the STX lineup is much weaker. The only disadv they got is needing FBH,Stork and Jangbi to win their games.
BisuBoi
Profile Joined February 2009
United States350 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-18 20:22:42
July 18 2009 20:20 GMT
#77
On July 19 2009 00:03 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2009 17:06 BisuBoi wrote:
On July 18 2009 13:38 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 13:27 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 13:06 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 12:58 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 12:47 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 11:02 OneOther wrote:
On July 18 2009 11:00 fanatacist wrote:
On July 18 2009 08:36 OneOther wrote:
[quote]
T1 is obviously better than KHAN right now, but you can't assume anything in Bisu vs Stork. Stork always plays well against Bisu, and is slightly ahead in head to head. Jangbi and Best are both not at the top of their game right now, so I would expect something around 50-50 there too. (maybe tiny edge towards Best) The equation drastically changes when you mix in Fantasy, who's very good at TvP and TvZ. FBH would have to step up his play for KHAN in order to overcome SKT. Having said that, at least the Samsung Zerg lineup is obviously superior - by.great! (again, not too hot lately but he's solid)

I think it's pretty clear that if you pitted Bisu and Stork in a Bo9 right this moment, Bisu would curbstomp Stork. Stork's form is so bad in almost every match-up, even the good PvT game he played vs. Fantasy he lost, whereas Bisu just 2-0'd Fantasy in the MSL. I agree that Best and Jangbi would be a good game, and that there is a slight edge towards Best. I was only talking about the Protosses of the respective teams, and I think that right now it's pretty evident that T1 Protoss > KHAN's. Samsung Zerg is definitely better than SKT1's, but that's not much of an accomplishment, and it's not a deep line-up of Zergs either. Fantasy is better than FBH right now. So basically, T1 > Khan.

No. Bisu would not curbstomp Stork. It would be a very close series.

Keep dreaming baby <3

quite you clueless fool

watch some stork vs bisu pvps (the latest one helps. it was during stork's mini "slump.") and then come talk to me. bisu brings the best out of stork. curbstomp my ass

Let's make a bet for their next match.

If Bisu wins the next Bo1, you get banned for a week. If he loses, I get banned for a week.

If Bisu wins the next Bo#, I get your account at some point for a week of my choosing (no mod priveleges will be used EDIT: haha you don't have any). If he loses, I get banned for # x weeks and something else you can propose.

hey dude, did i ever claim that stork would surely win vs bisu? i said it would be a close series, and that i honestly don't know who would win. head to head record and recent games confirm my belief. all i know is that it would be nothing near a curbstomp. stop being retarded and no i am not gonna make stupid bets with you for something i never even claimed. come on fantacist you are not this bad

Well I know you never said that Stork would win but I thought this would make it more interesting ): People did it before, it wasn't like a "lol homolosers" type thing.

Lifetime head-to-head confirms nothing, same with PL matches that had no weight. Right now Bisu's play is far stronger than Stork's in every MU, period.


Why so much vitriol fana? It's not a big deal. It's like you want to play thought police with people's opinions. OneOther has a different opinion. It's not like he's talking crazy shit like FBH > Bisu. Stork vs Bisu is and always has been a very heated match up. They're both league winners and both have long histories of being dominant toss players. It is far from a foregone conclusion. Say what you want about Stork's slumping but he's no Savior. He's one of the most consistent players of all time.

1. Why do you enter this conversation, that is over, to tell me this? "play thought police" LOL please stop you're cracking me up.

2. He is below 50% since June 1st. How is that consistent? Yea he was consistent before, but not anymore.


Over? I wrote it a few hours after you. Just coz you wake up the next day and finally see it doesn't mean it came out of left field. And yeah, you're trying to play thought police. If you have anything better than LOL, I'd be glad to hear it. But as is, you're just acting obnoxious.

And you can't take a 6 week span of time and call him inconsistent. Nada is touted as the most consistent SC player of all time. I'm sure he's had a 6 week span with just as poor play. Try taking Stork's actual lifetime record and ask yourself which year he didn't show up. 2009 is only halfway done. If it goes to December and he doesn't make a semi-finals I'll be ready to say he dropped the ball.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 18 2009 20:27 GMT
#78
On July 18 2009 12:56 lFrostmourne wrote:
Stork > SKT1

Incruit OSL:
Stork 2:1 Bisu ro8
Stork 3:1 Best ro4
Stork 3:2 Fantasy finals


Because clearly one event that was almost a year ago is an accurate representation of the players' skill?

Fantasy and Bisu are both playing much better than they were during Incruit. Stork is playing definitively worse.

Stork has the capacity to beat those 3 players. That doesn't mean he's playing consistently in form to do it reliably.
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Failsafe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1298 Posts
July 18 2009 21:02 GMT
#79
haters gonna hate, but stork delivers
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
July 19 2009 08:08 GMT
#80
great series against STX, but lack of really good vZ players is going to hurt Khan's chances of beating out CJ..
If they can beat CJ, I'd say they have a pretty good chance in the finals
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