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United States4796 Posts
On July 18 2009 02:07 TwoStep wrote:
So I am the only to notice skyhigh and Much's poor play recently.
No, you are not. Much has been slumping lately. He hasn't been great since the six dragons reigned.
And article was very well written.
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It's proleague playoffs, of course Samsung will do better than is expected to, as every time before (with one particular exception vs Lecaf, but such cases happen once in a century).
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i <3 Khan but
this PL belongs to SKT1
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On July 18 2009 06:47 ambit!ous1 wrote:
i <3 Khan but
this PL belongs to SKT1
Agreed, SKT1 been on fire lately, only team i can vaugely see beating them would be Oz
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Canada1957 Posts
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LMAO. I go through and read this whole post and then what do I see...
I see that the OP author is not a KHAN fan, but a Stars fan?!?!?!?
lol
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I just ran past a post that said Calm is better than Effort except in ZvZ in this thread.
That's just hilarious.
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On July 18 2009 08:14 koreasilver wrote:
I just ran past a post that said Calm is better than Effort except in ZvZ in this thread.
That's just hilarious.
lawl wud ??? hahahah yeah pretty hilarious thing indeed xD
and to the thread ... hahaha they wont win shit , i like they're coach though 
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
When I saw this thread, I didn't expect a write-up, but rather the facepalm photo, and "They won't".
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United States10774 Posts
On July 18 2009 04:11 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2009 04:03 NonFactor wrote:On July 18 2009 03:45 fanatacist wrote:On July 18 2009 03:38 BisuBoi wrote:
Hotbid I have to disagree with you on Stork/JB < Bisu/Best. You look at those pairs of toss and if they faced off, at worst, Khan would go 1-1. Stork vs Bisu is a cointoss, but JB will wreck Best. I don't know how you can say JB is slumping (he is) and not mention how utter shat Best is right now.
And then on the flipside, Jangbi vs Bisu is a loss for Khan, but Best vs Stork is no way in hell going to be a SKT win. Stork's PvP is 10x better than Best's. Best had a hot streak but once everyone realized he's a macro hound without any tactical sense, his days were numbered. Stork's got his number and will not come up short vs this guy.
Then you look at the other matchups possible. As if Best's vZ is better than Stork's? And Jangbi's sure as hell is better than Best's. Bisu is the best toss out of all 4 of them, but Best is the worst. Best and worst vs 2 very very solid toss. In my op, it's equal if not favoring Khan. Stork and Best are pretty similar in PvP skill, Bisu is clearly superior to both of them currently, and JangBi is somewhere in between or around Stork/Best. Fanboy. Stork whooped Bisu last time they met, and will do so again. Best is horrible currently, slumping even more then Stork and Jangbi. Bisu whooped Stork in an MSL Finals setting, when Stork was in better form than he is now and Bisu was not as good as he is now. The loss Bisu has to Stork is on SoT in Proleague, which means fuck-all. Bisu is 8-4 vs. JangBi. Best raped Stork the last time they fought after the Incruit OSL, and is 3-0 vs. JangBi in the past year. Get out.
T1 is obviously better than KHAN right now, but you can't assume anything in Bisu vs Stork. Stork always plays well against Bisu, and is slightly ahead in head to head. Jangbi and Best are both not at the top of their game right now, so I would expect something around 50-50 there too. (maybe tiny edge towards Best) The equation drastically changes when you mix in Fantasy, who's very good at TvP and TvZ. FBH would have to step up his play for KHAN in order to overcome SKT. Having said that, at least the Samsung Zerg lineup is obviously superior - by.great! (again, not too hot lately but he's solid)
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And if January gets lucky seeding her players, bygreat might even snipe Bisu. He's done it before, albeit with a very unorthodox strat. But who's gonna expect anyone to open with cookie cutter builds for the playoffs?
Not saying I think the PL is a lock for Khan. Far from it. But in my op, Khan's got a better chance than anyone to take SKT down. Hwaesung sure as hell does not. I'm sorry, but whoever thinks JD and co. can take a Bo7 vs SKT1 has not been watching the same games as I have.
Regardless though, I'm very excited for this season's playoffs. There are so many solid teams, a dark horse (Khan), and all the mega-stars except Flash. Couldn't be happier. (Except for Hite being in the playoffs. Would have vastly preferred KTF.)
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On July 18 2009 07:29 fAnTaCy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2009 06:47 ambit!ous1 wrote:
i <3 Khan but
this PL belongs to SKT1 Agreed, SKT1 been on fire lately, only team i can vaugely see beating them would be Oz
I think both CJ and STX have a much better chance of beating them than Oz since both their line ups are way way deeper than Oz
Good players on CJ: Effort, Skyhigh, Iris, Kwanro, Savior, Much, Movie
Good players on Oz: Jaedong,Hiya, Lomo. Not enough for a BO7
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OP should make lineup discussion,
The STX thread rapes this thread so bad.
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On July 18 2009 08:36 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2009 04:11 fanatacist wrote:On July 18 2009 04:03 NonFactor wrote:On July 18 2009 03:45 fanatacist wrote:On July 18 2009 03:38 BisuBoi wrote:
Hotbid I have to disagree with you on Stork/JB < Bisu/Best. You look at those pairs of toss and if they faced off, at worst, Khan would go 1-1. Stork vs Bisu is a cointoss, but JB will wreck Best. I don't know how you can say JB is slumping (he is) and not mention how utter shat Best is right now.
And then on the flipside, Jangbi vs Bisu is a loss for Khan, but Best vs Stork is no way in hell going to be a SKT win. Stork's PvP is 10x better than Best's. Best had a hot streak but once everyone realized he's a macro hound without any tactical sense, his days were numbered. Stork's got his number and will not come up short vs this guy.
Then you look at the other matchups possible. As if Best's vZ is better than Stork's? And Jangbi's sure as hell is better than Best's. Bisu is the best toss out of all 4 of them, but Best is the worst. Best and worst vs 2 very very solid toss. In my op, it's equal if not favoring Khan. Stork and Best are pretty similar in PvP skill, Bisu is clearly superior to both of them currently, and JangBi is somewhere in between or around Stork/Best. Fanboy. Stork whooped Bisu last time they met, and will do so again. Best is horrible currently, slumping even more then Stork and Jangbi. Bisu whooped Stork in an MSL Finals setting, when Stork was in better form than he is now and Bisu was not as good as he is now. The loss Bisu has to Stork is on SoT in Proleague, which means fuck-all. Bisu is 8-4 vs. JangBi. Best raped Stork the last time they fought after the Incruit OSL, and is 3-0 vs. JangBi in the past year. Get out. T1 is obviously better than KHAN right now, but you can't assume anything in Bisu vs Stork. Stork always plays well against Bisu, and is slightly ahead in head to head. Jangbi and Best are both not at the top of their game right now, so I would expect something around 50-50 there too. (maybe tiny edge towards Best) The equation drastically changes when you mix in Fantasy, who's very good at TvP and TvZ. FBH would have to step up his play for KHAN in order to overcome SKT. Having said that, at least the Samsung Zerg lineup is obviously superior - by.great! (again, not too hot lately but he's solid)
I think it's pretty clear that if you pitted Bisu and Stork in a Bo9 right this moment, Bisu would curbstomp Stork. Stork's form is so bad in almost every match-up, even the good PvT game he played vs. Fantasy he lost, whereas Bisu just 2-0'd Fantasy in the MSL. I agree that Best and Jangbi would be a good game, and that there is a slight edge towards Best. I was only talking about the Protosses of the respective teams, and I think that right now it's pretty evident that T1 Protoss > KHAN's. Samsung Zerg is definitely better than SKT1's, but that's not much of an accomplishment, and it's not a deep line-up of Zergs either. Fantasy is better than FBH right now. So basically, T1 > Khan.
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United States10774 Posts
On July 18 2009 11:00 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2009 08:36 OneOther wrote:On July 18 2009 04:11 fanatacist wrote:On July 18 2009 04:03 NonFactor wrote:On July 18 2009 03:45 fanatacist wrote:On July 18 2009 03:38 BisuBoi wrote:
Hotbid I have to disagree with you on Stork/JB < Bisu/Best. You look at those pairs of toss and if they faced off, at worst, Khan would go 1-1. Stork vs Bisu is a cointoss, but JB will wreck Best. I don't know how you can say JB is slumping (he is) and not mention how utter shat Best is right now.
And then on the flipside, Jangbi vs Bisu is a loss for Khan, but Best vs Stork is no way in hell going to be a SKT win. Stork's PvP is 10x better than Best's. Best had a hot streak but once everyone realized he's a macro hound without any tactical sense, his days were numbered. Stork's got his number and will not come up short vs this guy.
Then you look at the other matchups possible. As if Best's vZ is better than Stork's? And Jangbi's sure as hell is better than Best's. Bisu is the best toss out of all 4 of them, but Best is the worst. Best and worst vs 2 very very solid toss. In my op, it's equal if not favoring Khan. Stork and Best are pretty similar in PvP skill, Bisu is clearly superior to both of them currently, and JangBi is somewhere in between or around Stork/Best. Fanboy. Stork whooped Bisu last time they met, and will do so again. Best is horrible currently, slumping even more then Stork and Jangbi. Bisu whooped Stork in an MSL Finals setting, when Stork was in better form than he is now and Bisu was not as good as he is now. The loss Bisu has to Stork is on SoT in Proleague, which means fuck-all. Bisu is 8-4 vs. JangBi. Best raped Stork the last time they fought after the Incruit OSL, and is 3-0 vs. JangBi in the past year. Get out. T1 is obviously better than KHAN right now, but you can't assume anything in Bisu vs Stork. Stork always plays well against Bisu, and is slightly ahead in head to head. Jangbi and Best are both not at the top of their game right now, so I would expect something around 50-50 there too. (maybe tiny edge towards Best) The equation drastically changes when you mix in Fantasy, who's very good at TvP and TvZ. FBH would have to step up his play for KHAN in order to overcome SKT. Having said that, at least the Samsung Zerg lineup is obviously superior - by.great! (again, not too hot lately but he's solid) I think it's pretty clear that if you pitted Bisu and Stork in a Bo9 right this moment, Bisu would curbstomp Stork. Stork's form is so bad in almost every match-up, even the good PvT game he played vs. Fantasy he lost, whereas Bisu just 2-0'd Fantasy in the MSL. I agree that Best and Jangbi would be a good game, and that there is a slight edge towards Best. I was only talking about the Protosses of the respective teams, and I think that right now it's pretty evident that T1 Protoss > KHAN's. Samsung Zerg is definitely better than SKT1's, but that's not much of an accomplishment, and it's not a deep line-up of Zergs either. Fantasy is better than FBH right now. So basically, T1 > Khan.
No. Bisu would not curbstomp Stork. It would be a very close series.
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Fantasy vs firebathero would be such an epic tvt
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On July 18 2009 08:12 For_The_Swarm wrote:
LMAO. I go through and read this whole post and then what do I see...
I see that the OP author is not a KHAN fan, but a Stars fan?!?!?!?
lol
I felt bad for the KHAN fans. What can I say?
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On July 18 2009 11:02 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2009 11:00 fanatacist wrote:On July 18 2009 08:36 OneOther wrote:On July 18 2009 04:11 fanatacist wrote:On July 18 2009 04:03 NonFactor wrote:On July 18 2009 03:45 fanatacist wrote:On July 18 2009 03:38 BisuBoi wrote:
Hotbid I have to disagree with you on Stork/JB < Bisu/Best. You look at those pairs of toss and if they faced off, at worst, Khan would go 1-1. Stork vs Bisu is a cointoss, but JB will wreck Best. I don't know how you can say JB is slumping (he is) and not mention how utter shat Best is right now.
And then on the flipside, Jangbi vs Bisu is a loss for Khan, but Best vs Stork is no way in hell going to be a SKT win. Stork's PvP is 10x better than Best's. Best had a hot streak but once everyone realized he's a macro hound without any tactical sense, his days were numbered. Stork's got his number and will not come up short vs this guy.
Then you look at the other matchups possible. As if Best's vZ is better than Stork's? And Jangbi's sure as hell is better than Best's. Bisu is the best toss out of all 4 of them, but Best is the worst. Best and worst vs 2 very very solid toss. In my op, it's equal if not favoring Khan. Stork and Best are pretty similar in PvP skill, Bisu is clearly superior to both of them currently, and JangBi is somewhere in between or around Stork/Best. Fanboy. Stork whooped Bisu last time they met, and will do so again. Best is horrible currently, slumping even more then Stork and Jangbi. Bisu whooped Stork in an MSL Finals setting, when Stork was in better form than he is now and Bisu was not as good as he is now. The loss Bisu has to Stork is on SoT in Proleague, which means fuck-all. Bisu is 8-4 vs. JangBi. Best raped Stork the last time they fought after the Incruit OSL, and is 3-0 vs. JangBi in the past year. Get out. T1 is obviously better than KHAN right now, but you can't assume anything in Bisu vs Stork. Stork always plays well against Bisu, and is slightly ahead in head to head. Jangbi and Best are both not at the top of their game right now, so I would expect something around 50-50 there too. (maybe tiny edge towards Best) The equation drastically changes when you mix in Fantasy, who's very good at TvP and TvZ. FBH would have to step up his play for KHAN in order to overcome SKT. Having said that, at least the Samsung Zerg lineup is obviously superior - by.great! (again, not too hot lately but he's solid) I think it's pretty clear that if you pitted Bisu and Stork in a Bo9 right this moment, Bisu would curbstomp Stork. Stork's form is so bad in almost every match-up, even the good PvT game he played vs. Fantasy he lost, whereas Bisu just 2-0'd Fantasy in the MSL. I agree that Best and Jangbi would be a good game, and that there is a slight edge towards Best. I was only talking about the Protosses of the respective teams, and I think that right now it's pretty evident that T1 Protoss > KHAN's. Samsung Zerg is definitely better than SKT1's, but that's not much of an accomplishment, and it's not a deep line-up of Zergs either. Fantasy is better than FBH right now. So basically, T1 > Khan. No. Bisu would not curbstomp Stork. It would be a very close series.
Keep dreaming baby <3
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other than the obvious SKT1, i think samsung has the 2nd best chance of winning.
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I think you guys are looking into the stats way to much. Stats matter, but it shouldn't be the deciding factor for how a player is going to do, especially in the playoffs. Obviously they (KHAN) are going to practice and prepare a lot more for this match-up and so there is no way a line-up of S-class gamers are going to lose to STX. The only team that matches KHAN in starpower is SKT, who I think will win it all.
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