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Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
June 19 2009 20:01 GMT
#161
On June 20 2009 04:08 AttackZerg wrote:
All I have to say is that alot of you are complete jerks.

Ret is a fucking baller for playing live streamed matches against korean zergs. How the fuck can you do anything but respect the balls to do that.

Two hat muta micro from pro gamers is impossibly harder to beat then anything non-korean zergs do. I mean just knowing where to attack with the mutas for the first 25 seconds is a game changing affair and losing against someone who understands that is not a bad thing at all.

I think you vaginas need to change your tone and say thank you for having small events like this put on for you.

(This is addressed the the bm punks or the shit talkers.)

Jos HWaITING ~!~!~!

<3

I think there was only one guy giving him crap.......and he is banned, so yeah you are right, but it was squashed a few hours ago!!
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
June 19 2009 20:06 GMT
#162
On June 20 2009 01:57 IdrA wrote:
the bunker and constant marines kills your +1 and barracks timings. muta harass is ridiculously strong on medusa, but at 6/3 you can go 1 rax ebay-> 3 rax asap meaning you're much better prepared for the mutas than on a normal map, so it balances out. if you cant do that the mutas are retardedly strong. and mech is not good on medusa.

What's the difference in the high ground between 3/6 and 11 that makes 11 so retarded?
Graphics
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
June 19 2009 20:07 GMT
#163
On June 20 2009 04:48 SilverskY wrote:
Hey ret, how come you haven't played or familiarized yourself with mech? It's so popular on a lot of the maps nowadays.

Mech isn't awesome enough for ret >: 3
brood war for life, brood war forever
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
June 19 2009 20:11 GMT
#164
Ret, while you might not have won, they were gg's. Seriously you are so amazing lately, keep being such a baller pl0x.
U Gotta Skate.
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
June 19 2009 20:24 GMT
#165
awww
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
Igakusei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States610 Posts
June 19 2009 20:24 GMT
#166
On June 20 2009 05:06 SilverskY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2009 01:57 IdrA wrote:
the bunker and constant marines kills your +1 and barracks timings. muta harass is ridiculously strong on medusa, but at 6/3 you can go 1 rax ebay-> 3 rax asap meaning you're much better prepared for the mutas than on a normal map, so it balances out. if you cant do that the mutas are retardedly strong. and mech is not good on medusa.

What's the difference in the high ground between 3/6 and 11 that makes 11 so retarded?


The inability to make a ling-proof wall where your marines spawn inside the wall. If you prepare for speedlings, you can't stop the mutas, and if you prepare for the mutas, you can get killed by speedlings. A good zerg will be able to punish you no matter what you do, if you try to m&m at that position.
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
June 19 2009 20:28 GMT
#167
Oooh I see... Interesting, I didn't know that.
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Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
June 19 2009 20:33 GMT
#168
Not very good game filled with lag... i really like this idea though of foreigner having a go at the korean b-teamers show match, unfortunately we didn't really get to see much from ret, i hope they do a rematch once they figured out how to fix the lag.

Great commentary from Artosis and i really commend him on his effort of bringing us closer to the starcraft e-sport scenes.
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
June 19 2009 20:46 GMT
#169
This is awesome. I was out eating so I missed the live, but hopefully ret keeps up what he's doing, kickin as!
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
June 19 2009 20:48 GMT
#170
Ret Rules!
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
June 19 2009 20:52 GMT
#171
hmm i don't get why terrans don't put a bunker by their nat on destination instead, it blocks lurker harrass from behind the walls and does wonders vs mutas as well. Plus u can extract the marines out of it anytime, and its much more cheaper than placing 2-3 turrets behind, which becomes absolutely useless after the mutas are gone.
sMi.Gladstone | BW: B high| SC2: gold T_T
Zepish
Profile Joined June 2008
Canada160 Posts
June 19 2009 21:04 GMT
#172
On June 20 2009 05:52 YPang wrote:
hmm i don't get why terrans don't put a bunker by their nat on destination instead, it blocks lurker harrass from behind the walls and does wonders vs mutas as well. Plus u can extract the marines out of it anytime, and its much more cheaper than placing 2-3 turrets behind, which becomes absolutely useless after the mutas are gone.


On June 19 2009 21:41 ret wrote:


on desti i fucked up and should have made a bunker at my nat min line but on medusa i did nothing wrong given i was dead as soon as i spawned @ 11


In)Spire
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1323 Posts
June 19 2009 21:53 GMT
#173
Any link to the games?
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
June 19 2009 21:57 GMT
#174
On June 20 2009 06:53 In)Spire wrote:
Any link to the games?

http://www.livestream.com/artosis

Click on-demand.
Moderator。◕‿◕。
In)Spire
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1323 Posts
June 19 2009 21:58 GMT
#175
^^ Thanks!
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
June 19 2009 22:07 GMT
#176
Much props for artosis, ret, the korean guy, and people for explaining the strategic background.

I think this loss was a big deal because idra said ret = b-teamers.
On a silly note, if strelok > tossgirl, ret < b-teamers, is tossgirl > ret?
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
June 19 2009 22:14 GMT
#177
How does that make any sense?
Jaedong
invy
Profile Joined April 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina41 Posts
June 19 2009 22:16 GMT
#178
GG ret!

I watched 2nd game, it was sick harass it happens to the korean pros all the time to lose vs mutas in similar fashion. Think July... Nothing bad about it.. he used that opening nicely to destroy turret with lings. He got lucky a bit on that.. rest of the game was korean clinical.
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
June 19 2009 22:44 GMT
#179
I really like the analysis about the bunker... thanks!
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3434 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-20 09:17:25
June 19 2009 23:02 GMT
#180
I think it would be much more fun if Artosis casted the replays instead of live. Nobody really cares if it's live or not if nobody knows the score (except for the players, obviously) and that way there are no lag issues.

And no, these games weren't gg's at all. I respect Ret for going against pros and his overall skill level (he's easily a top 3 non-korean and has the best TvZ of all foreigners), but he got crushed and the games were way too one-sided to be fun to watch. I don't think even ret himself likes all the butt kissing.

I've made so many mistakes, no more typing up messages at 2 am -_-
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