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Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 14:08:00
June 19 2009 11:40 GMT
#1
yep thats right. starting at about 9pm KST, thats 20 minutes from the time i made this post, it will be live. my mogulus will be turned on in a moment here. http://www.livestream.com/artosis

vods will be released afterwards at some point. everyone go tell your friends, it should be good!

+ Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Z)(nl)Ret 0-2 (Z)hwata[saM]
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Shattered
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States267 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 11:43:15
June 19 2009 11:42 GMT
#2
ahh right when i have to go to school well hopefully its still going by the time i get back ( 2 hours)
CJ entus fighting
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
June 19 2009 11:44 GMT
#3
I knew there was a reason i woke up at 7am on my day off. sick!@
StimD
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Norway738 Posts
June 19 2009 11:44 GMT
#4
nice nice nice
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
June 19 2009 11:44 GMT
#5
Thanks for reminding, I will watch it obviously I'm really curious if ret can handle eStro pro's.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
June 19 2009 11:44 GMT
#6
Pretty sick
GREEN BAR TIME
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Ghardo
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Germany1685 Posts
June 19 2009 11:46 GMT
#7
yay fucking hyped!!
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7216 Posts
June 19 2009 11:47 GMT
#8
On June 19 2009 20:44 Kennigit wrote:
I knew there was a reason i woke up at 7am on my day off. sick!@

yeah seriously
Entusman #12
Tehinf
Profile Joined September 2008
United States192 Posts
June 19 2009 11:50 GMT
#9
commentary with the vods?
"Good, better, best. Never let it rest until your good is better, and your better is best."
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
June 19 2009 11:50 GMT
#10
FU Artosis!!!

Why the fuck dont you let me learn for my fckin exams?
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
June 19 2009 11:50 GMT
#11
...everytime I was about to go to sleep, something amazing came up. -__-;
Moderator。◕‿◕。
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51410 Posts
June 19 2009 11:50 GMT
#12
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=Artosis
should work as well!
Commentator
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
June 19 2009 11:52 GMT
#13
HOly shit I would so watch this but it's already 5:00am here. T-T;
Graphics
Apollo[AoN]
Profile Joined May 2005
Romania22 Posts
June 19 2009 11:53 GMT
#14
yea we hear you;)
Just some random noob ;)
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
June 19 2009 11:53 GMT
#15
Artosis, I love you and everything you do.
Llamaz
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia90 Posts
June 19 2009 11:54 GMT
#16
Holy shit... I've found my fapping material for tonight :D.

cafaro
Profile Joined November 2008
Netherlands32 Posts
June 19 2009 11:54 GMT
#17
nice, go ret!
arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
June 19 2009 11:55 GMT
#18
Gogo Jos, u're imba
750/750 emotions fully stacked
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
June 19 2009 11:55 GMT
#19
good luck ret ~
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Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
June 19 2009 11:56 GMT
#20
GO JOS GO JOS GO JOS !!!!
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66155 Posts
June 19 2009 11:56 GMT
#21
Awesome.
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Tehinf
Profile Joined September 2008
United States192 Posts
June 19 2009 11:57 GMT
#22
On June 19 2009 20:52 SilverskY wrote:
HOly shit I would so watch this but it's already 5:00am here. T-T;

yeah i kno, i gotta leave soon but i want to know if there will be commentary on the vods o.o
"Good, better, best. Never let it rest until your good is better, and your better is best."
SoulMarine
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States586 Posts
June 19 2009 11:57 GMT
#23
Thanks! Looking forward to it, and I just woke up lucky me!
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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
June 19 2009 11:59 GMT
#24
So as romours says, it's gonna be ret vs (Z)hwata[saM] in a bo3 game.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7216 Posts
June 19 2009 12:00 GMT
#25
On June 19 2009 20:59 crucifix wrote:
So as romours says, it's gonna be ret vs (Z)hwata[saM] in a bo3 game.

rumors? artosis said that ~_~
Entusman #12
Shadrik
Profile Joined October 2007
45 Posts
June 19 2009 12:00 GMT
#26
Awesome! Go ret!
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
June 19 2009 12:00 GMT
#27
go ret!!!!
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
drinking
Profile Joined December 2008
Philippines281 Posts
June 19 2009 12:04 GMT
#28
this will be epic
Try not. Do or do not.
wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
June 19 2009 12:09 GMT
#29
If this is ret, then go pwn some koreans!! + Show Spoiler +
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51410 Posts
June 19 2009 12:12 GMT
#30
'rick turn on the air conditioner it is hot in here'

rofl
Commentator
midou
Profile Joined April 2008
Bulgaria1168 Posts
June 19 2009 12:13 GMT
#31
super laggy
wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 12:14:07
June 19 2009 12:13 GMT
#32
which one is zerg?

edit: "this is progamer mutalisk"
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66155 Posts
June 19 2009 12:14 GMT
#33
I'll stream this so that there'll be chat

http://www.livestream.com/konadora
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samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
June 19 2009 12:22 GMT
#34
Jinsoo 1-0 Ret
Isnt MnM completely useless on Medusa and Desti vs progamer 2 hat muta?
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
June 19 2009 12:23 GMT
#35
omfg Artosis I love your commentating lol.

"No, Zergs go to hell because they're gross. Look at them. Bugs." LOL
Graphics
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
June 19 2009 12:24 GMT
#36
<3 dan
Enjoy the game
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
June 19 2009 12:25 GMT
#37
Nice, thanks.
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
June 19 2009 12:27 GMT
#38
On June 19 2009 21:22 samachking wrote:
Jinsoo 1-0 Ret
Isnt MnM completely useless on Medusa and Desti vs progamer 2 hat muta?


Nope...
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
June 19 2009 12:29 GMT
#39
Damn mutas ;<
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51410 Posts
June 19 2009 12:30 GMT
#40
well those games went quickly.
Commentator
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 19 2009 12:30 GMT
#41
On June 19 2009 21:27 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 21:22 samachking wrote:
Jinsoo 1-0 Ret
Isnt MnM completely useless on Medusa and Desti vs progamer 2 hat muta?


Nope...


More like, yes...
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
pR0gR4m3R
Profile Joined February 2008
Spain1446 Posts
June 19 2009 12:30 GMT
#42
ret playing Terran?? Wasnt he Zerg??
StarCraft-ESP.com Admin - Spanish StarCraft Community
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
June 19 2009 12:30 GMT
#43
On June 19 2009 21:27 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 21:22 samachking wrote:
Jinsoo 1-0 Ret
Isnt MnM completely useless on Medusa and Desti vs progamer 2 hat muta?


Nope...


Didnt Idra say something like that? Thats why every single progamer, including hwasin goes mech on medusa and desti due to to spacing behind the bases making mutas too imba.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
June 19 2009 12:30 GMT
#44
^ He plays TvZ instead of ZvZ afaik.

Wow, that Korean Zerg had some sick muta micro....
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
BWdero
Profile Joined February 2008
Netherlands476 Posts
June 19 2009 12:30 GMT
#45
On June 19 2009 21:30 pR0gR4m3R wrote:
ret playing Terran?? Wasnt he Zerg??


Ret plays ZvP, ZvT and TvZ.
Stars fighting! Member #43 of Violet fan cafe. Fuck Kespa.
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
June 19 2009 12:31 GMT
#46
Wow that was really... really fast.
Graphics
BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
June 19 2009 12:31 GMT
#47
wow, he got muta raped both games

Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
June 19 2009 12:31 GMT
#48
Owange:<
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Xe(-_-)Ro
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada69 Posts
June 19 2009 12:31 GMT
#49
Can you go full screen plz!
She's got a secret............. SHHHH its a dick LOL
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
June 19 2009 12:31 GMT
#50
I think that the way you stream kinda lags it Artosis. This is the second time you tried to stream windowed mode and it lagged so maybe we do have to get you camtasia somehow.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66155 Posts
June 19 2009 12:31 GMT
#51
That was.. idk. Unexpected.
POGGERS
Llamaz
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia90 Posts
June 19 2009 12:31 GMT
#52
god damnit
LorDo
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden485 Posts
June 19 2009 12:31 GMT
#53
that was anticlimatic.
Butigroove
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Seychelles2061 Posts
June 19 2009 12:32 GMT
#54
So what did we learn kids?

+ Show Spoiler +
Progamer muta micro > Foreigners
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51410 Posts
June 19 2009 12:32 GMT
#55
yes, procaster blows iirc.
Commentator
lilsusie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3861 Posts
June 19 2009 12:32 GMT
#56
......
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Xe(-_-)Ro
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada69 Posts
June 19 2009 12:32 GMT
#57
its already over? lol...
She's got a secret............. SHHHH its a dick LOL
lux[chavii]
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Germany115 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 12:33:35
June 19 2009 12:33 GMT
#58
so thats it? its over already?
wasnt he supposed to play several programers on one day?!
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
June 19 2009 12:33 GMT
#59
>.<
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 12:34:05
June 19 2009 12:33 GMT
#60
no surprise that i lose to 2 hatch mutas like that, on medusa i would've had a good chance if i didn't get top left thought, that spot is impossible, unless you do some mech build which I never do so yeah..
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wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
June 19 2009 12:34 GMT
#61
its over, poor ret!
joined TL.net in 2006 (aka GMer) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=41944#2
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
June 19 2009 12:34 GMT
#62
On June 19 2009 21:30 samachking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 21:27 Zoler wrote:
On June 19 2009 21:22 samachking wrote:
Jinsoo 1-0 Ret
Isnt MnM completely useless on Medusa and Desti vs progamer 2 hat muta?


Nope...


Didnt Idra say something like that? Thats why every single progamer, including hwasin goes mech on medusa and desti due to to spacing behind the bases making mutas too imba.


All progamers doesn't go mech. Check through medusas VODs and if you see 100% mech tell me.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
lux[chavii]
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Germany115 Posts
June 19 2009 12:35 GMT
#63
On June 19 2009 21:33 ret wrote:
no surprise that i lose to 2 hatch mutas like that, on medusa i would've had a good chance if i didn't get top left thought, that spot is impossible, unless you do some mech build which I never do so yeah..


are more games coming up? werent you supposed to play several progamers?
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
June 19 2009 12:35 GMT
#64
I don't know, just one at a time I guess
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lux[chavii]
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Germany115 Posts
June 19 2009 12:35 GMT
#65
alrite, i still cheer for you!
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
June 19 2009 12:36 GMT
#66
someone hook me up with the right version of camtasia, maybe it was procaster/windows mode that messed everything up.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Kolean.Tellan
Profile Joined May 2008
Belgium217 Posts
June 19 2009 12:36 GMT
#67
unfortunate but there's always next time
you can no more win a war then you can win an earthquake.
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 12:36:45
June 19 2009 12:36 GMT
#68
nvm
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51410 Posts
June 19 2009 12:36 GMT
#69
On June 19 2009 21:34 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 21:30 samachking wrote:
On June 19 2009 21:27 Zoler wrote:
On June 19 2009 21:22 samachking wrote:
Jinsoo 1-0 Ret
Isnt MnM completely useless on Medusa and Desti vs progamer 2 hat muta?


Nope...


Didnt Idra say something like that? Thats why every single progamer, including hwasin goes mech on medusa and desti due to to spacing behind the bases making mutas too imba.


All progamers doesn't go mech. Check through medusas VODs and if you see 100% mech tell me.


check every tvz on medusa with a terran spawning at 11 and tell me if they win with bionic or not.
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
June 19 2009 12:38 GMT
#70
On June 19 2009 21:34 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 21:30 samachking wrote:
On June 19 2009 21:27 Zoler wrote:
On June 19 2009 21:22 samachking wrote:
Jinsoo 1-0 Ret
Isnt MnM completely useless on Medusa and Desti vs progamer 2 hat muta?


Nope...


Didnt Idra say something like that? Thats why every single progamer, including hwasin goes mech on medusa and desti due to to spacing behind the bases making mutas too imba.


All progamers doesn't go mech. Check through medusas VODs and if you see 100% mech tell me.

Hwasin who has some of the best bio in the world goes mech on Medusa.

I wonder why.
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cujo2k
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada1044 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 12:41:33
June 19 2009 12:39 GMT
#71
On June 19 2009 21:36 Artosis wrote:
someone hook me up with the right version of camtasia, maybe it was procaster/windows mode that messed everything up.


you can dl a free 30 day trial here http://www.techsmith.com/download/oldversions.asp#camtasia
5.1 and 5.0 i think work well with streaming sc
also you can find a bunch from rapidshare on here http://rapidlibrary.com/index.php?q=camtasia 5&filetype=0
THE ANSWER IS 288
Fric
Profile Joined October 2008
France12 Posts
June 19 2009 12:39 GMT
#72
try to survive more then 10 min next time
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
June 19 2009 12:39 GMT
#73
Muta control by both players were awesome.
#1 olleh KT 팬 http://sports.kt.com/ | #1 김택용 선수 팬 | 좋은 선수: 송병구, 이제동, 도제욱, 정명훈, 이성은 | KeSPA 한국 e-Sports 협회
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 12:42:48
June 19 2009 12:41 GMT
#74
On June 19 2009 21:39 Fric wrote:
try to survive more then 10 min next time


don't be stupid..
how often do I play vs 2 hatch mutas? foreigners never do that, and if they do, it doesn't lag.

wtf am I supposed on top left medusa where I can't wallin and have lost every single game to 2hat muta I ever played? and then i play vs a progamer who 2hatches muta on top of that? Do a mech build I have maybe done once or twice, ever?

on desti i fucked up and should have made a bunker at my nat min line but on medusa i did nothing wrong given i was dead as soon as i spawned @ 11

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streampowered
Profile Joined April 2009
United States60 Posts
June 19 2009 12:43 GMT
#75
so you did nothing wrong even though you admit you should mech there but you decided not to because its more fun to run around with marines
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66155 Posts
June 19 2009 12:44 GMT
#76
ret you still played your best
POGGERS
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
June 19 2009 12:44 GMT
#77
ur not reading are u? playing mech would've been really bad because I have no experience with it
Team Liquid
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
June 19 2009 12:44 GMT
#78
On June 19 2009 21:39 Fric wrote:
try to survive more then 10 min next time


Don't be a douche. You woulda died in 2 minutes
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
FranzF1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile1710 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 12:46:39
June 19 2009 12:44 GMT
#79
Here is camstasia 6.0 with keygen:
[url blocked]

if that not work:
+ Show Spoiler +


Serials:
H9GAP-CSVCX-HVB9F-P28DX-G65C9
5V7CY-FQNXN-CK8VB-FMCQA-QAE5C
LSMCW-62FBM-CP3DH-YTPU9-CEF79
http://rapidshare.com/files/195980567/Camtasia_6.rar
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
June 19 2009 12:45 GMT
#80
On June 19 2009 21:43 streampowered wrote:
so you did nothing wrong even though you admit you should mech there but you decided not to because its more fun to run around with marines

He also doesn't even know if the zerg is going to 2hat muta when the game starts.
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streampowered
Profile Joined April 2009
United States60 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 12:45:57
June 19 2009 12:45 GMT
#81
You not being good enough to use mech is what you did wrong. How can you complain about this? Obviously its better to wall in than not but if you had a better option then you did a mistake
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
June 19 2009 12:46 GMT
#82
And like Ret says, all D- thinks if you're good with bionic you're automatically good with mech. Mech is not ez, you need to play as much game as you need to do with bionic to be really good with it.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
June 19 2009 12:47 GMT
#83
On June 19 2009 21:45 streampowered wrote:
You not being good enough to use mech is what you did wrong. How can you complain about this? Obviously its better to wall in than not but if you had a better option then you did a mistake


Have you tried playing mech against zerg you know... without any prior experience?

If he's bad enough at mech to go bionic @ 11 on Medusa then going mech would've just gotten him raped faster.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 12:49:45
June 19 2009 12:47 GMT
#84
On June 19 2009 21:45 streampowered wrote:
You not being good enough to use mech is what you did wrong. How can you complain about this? Obviously its better to wall in than not but if you had a better option then you did a mistake


yes well obviously im not good enough, hes a progamer. and Obviously it's my fault I can't play from 11 pos on medusa, but these are flaws that were there before I went into that series, it's not like I can fix it overnight. Or fix it while playing foreign zergs where it doesn't even matter what build I use because I win anyway.

I'm just saying the games weren't as good as they could've been, I would've had a very good chance
if i got one of the other two positions on medusa. You don't need to flame me for losing to a progamer.
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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
June 19 2009 12:48 GMT
#85
On June 19 2009 21:33 ret wrote:
no surprise that i lose to 2 hatch mutas like that, on medusa i would've had a good chance if i didn't get top left thought, that spot is impossible, unless you do some mech build which I never do so yeah..


i forgive you on that spot ret
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Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
June 19 2009 12:48 GMT
#86
i think i need camtasia 4.0. i think i already tried 6 and it didnt work out, but rage's guide was for 4.0
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Fric
Profile Joined October 2008
France12 Posts
June 19 2009 12:48 GMT
#87
On June 19 2009 21:44 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 21:39 Fric wrote:
try to survive more then 10 min next time


Don't be a douche. You woulda died in 2 minutes



ok,but i dont act to be a gamer, like someone else ..
streampowered
Profile Joined April 2009
United States60 Posts
June 19 2009 12:49 GMT
#88
im super sure he just wanted to show how good he is and win with marines instead of camping mech and rolling out
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
June 19 2009 12:50 GMT
#89
On June 19 2009 21:48 Artosis wrote:
i think i need camtasia 4.0. i think i already tried 6 and it didnt work out, but rage's guide was for 4.0


Anything before 6.0 works. 6.0 doesn't have live output for whatever reason but both 4.0+ and 5.0+ should do what you need.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51410 Posts
June 19 2009 12:50 GMT
#90
On June 19 2009 21:49 streampowered wrote:
im super sure he just wanted to show how good he is and win with marines instead of camping mech and rolling out


once again a clueless statement from an obscure member of the public, bravo.
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sashkata
Profile Joined September 2008
Bulgaria3241 Posts
June 19 2009 12:51 GMT
#91
Thank you for disableing the chat Artosis! I have a 2GHz processor and It's constantly at 100% when a lot of people are spaming.
streampowered
Profile Joined April 2009
United States60 Posts
June 19 2009 12:52 GMT
#92
On June 19 2009 21:50 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 21:49 streampowered wrote:
im super sure he just wanted to show how good he is and win with marines instead of camping mech and rolling out


once again a clueless statement from an obscure member of the public, bravo.

ya u think that never came into consideration when he picked the strats?
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 12:56:28
June 19 2009 12:54 GMT
#93
On June 19 2009 21:43 streampowered wrote:
so you did nothing wrong even though you admit you should mech there but you decided not to because its more fun to run around with marines


On June 19 2009 21:39 Fric wrote:
try to survive more then 10 min next time


On June 19 2009 21:45 streampowered wrote:
You not being good enough to use mech is what you did wrong. How can you complain about this? Obviously its better to wall in than not but if you had a better option then you did a mistake


On June 19 2009 21:52 streampowered wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 21:50 GTR wrote:
On June 19 2009 21:49 streampowered wrote:
im super sure he just wanted to show how good he is and win with marines instead of camping mech and rolling out


once again a clueless statement from an obscure member of the public, bravo.

ya u think that never came into consideration when he picked the strats?



Wow. Whats up with the hate/harsh comments? Seriously?!
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Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
June 19 2009 12:54 GMT
#94
On June 19 2009 21:52 streampowered wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 21:50 GTR wrote:
On June 19 2009 21:49 streampowered wrote:
im super sure he just wanted to show how good he is and win with marines instead of camping mech and rolling out


once again a clueless statement from an obscure member of the public, bravo.

ya u think that never came into consideration when he picked the strats?


Yea... actually I am... as are most people that know ret.

You know the same ret that went normal bionic against JAEDONGS two hatch muta. I think we can take his build at face value.
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
June 19 2009 12:54 GMT
#95
On June 19 2009 21:52 streampowered wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 21:50 GTR wrote:
On June 19 2009 21:49 streampowered wrote:
im super sure he just wanted to show how good he is and win with marines instead of camping mech and rolling out


once again a clueless statement from an obscure member of the public, bravo.

ya u think that never came into consideration when he picked the strats?

Why aren't you banned yet
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Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 12:55:20
June 19 2009 12:54 GMT
#96
obviously i picked the strats i thought i had the best chance to win with...
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JohnBall
Profile Joined December 2008
Brazil1272 Posts
June 19 2009 12:54 GMT
#97
I didn't catch the matches, anyone cares to wirght a analysis? or maybe a replay?
Also, will Ret play against other progamers? I believe his zerg play is pretty good, I want to se him play against a pro terran or protoss.
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FranzF1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile1710 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 12:55:42
June 19 2009 12:54 GMT
#98
well this is camtasia 5.1.5... its the oldest one i can get:
http://rapidshare.com/files/138183603/Camtasia_Studio.rar

the password for the rar its: www.chilewarez.org <---- not spamming its the password
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Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2922 Posts
June 19 2009 12:55 GMT
#99
what's with all the flaming/trolling ?
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
KarlSberg~
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
731 Posts
June 19 2009 12:55 GMT
#100
On June 19 2009 21:48 Fric wrote:
ok,but i dont act to be a gamer, like someone else ..

On June 19 2009 21:49 streampowered wrote:
im super sure he just wanted to show how good he is and win with marines instead of camping mech and rolling out

I don't get it, is there something Ret did or said that would lead to random assholes trashtalking him?
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Kenny
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States678 Posts
June 19 2009 12:55 GMT
#101
On June 19 2009 21:49 streampowered wrote:
im super sure he just wanted to show how good he is and win with marines instead of camping mech and rolling out


Steampowered honestly stfu you idiot. You know I thought maybe you would quit talking 2 pages ago, but I guess stupidity pulls through again.
Danka
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Peru1018 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 12:59:10
June 19 2009 12:55 GMT
#102
ret is probably top foreigner at the moment and I'm a ret fan...
but i don't know what people expected vs an Estro player...
its still foreigner vs PRO GAMER... the Gap is still significant i think

edit: wtf at people bashing ret!? like anyone could do any better wtf
Its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog. - Mark Twain
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
June 19 2009 12:57 GMT
#103
What I want to know is..
1) Where has this massive influx of shitty threads come from?
2) Why are there so many shitty posters on this site now?

rahh

ggs ret, hope to see more in the future (hopefully without lag... there is a reason TL doesn't do live streams anymore =/)
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Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 12:58:30
June 19 2009 12:57 GMT
#104
Streampowered is trolling?

Edit: Ok some admin took care of it.
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arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
June 19 2009 12:58 GMT
#105
damn that z was soooo good
750/750 emotions fully stacked
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
June 19 2009 12:59 GMT
#106
Time to purge this place imo.
Igakusei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States610 Posts
June 19 2009 13:00 GMT
#107
I missed this, anywhere I can still see vods/replays?
cujo2k
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada1044 Posts
June 19 2009 13:02 GMT
#108
You can probably watch the games by clicking "On demand" on artosis' stream page
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Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
June 19 2009 13:05 GMT
#109
On June 19 2009 21:54 JohnBall wrote:
I didn't catch the matches, anyone cares to wirght a analysis? or maybe a replay?
Also, will Ret play against other progamers? I believe his zerg play is pretty good, I want to se him play against a pro terran or protoss.


Game 1:

Ret started at 11, which meant he couldn't wall in properly. He went quick CC into 2 rax. Even though he built a bunker, 6 zerglings still got in and raped the marines. Once 2 Hatch mutas popped out it was pretty much over.


Game 2:

Game was going ok until 4 zerglings snuck in and killed a turret at the natural like 10 seconds before the mutalisks arrived. The problem was that Ret had to move his marines very close to the mineral lines to defend, so when the Zerg player moved into the main it took forever for the marines to go back. Marines were stuck behind scv's and stuff. This let the mutalisks easily pick off all the marines and game was over.
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Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2922 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 13:13:19
June 19 2009 13:09 GMT
#110
It always sucks to see your favorite player lose.

Too bad ret had kinda bad luck with the maps and spawning positions >.<. The second game seemed to be going pretty ok, but I guess on that level of play the smallest mistake can kill you. The zerg was awesome, knew exactly what to do, had a close to flawless execution and didn't allow ret to play up to his full potential.

Waiting for the next series :D (without the lag !)
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
Ghardo
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Germany1685 Posts
June 19 2009 13:11 GMT
#111
On June 19 2009 21:57 Plexa wrote:
What I want to know is..
1) Where has this massive influx of shitty threads come from?
2) Why are there so many shitty posters on this site now?


... and it won't get better with sc II when the REAL masses are incoming (/pessimism /everything used to be better)

pity jos you couldn't show what you're really made of in these two suboptimal games. hopefully there'll be games with less lag / better starting positions.
Aus)MaCrO
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia349 Posts
June 19 2009 13:12 GMT
#112
Despite all the shit (lag, bad map positions, retarded posts), ret is still being good manner about it. Class act.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
June 19 2009 13:14 GMT
#113
On June 19 2009 22:12 jpunshon wrote:
Despite all the shit (lag, bad map positions, retarded posts), ret is still being good manner about it. Class act.


deff, hes not raging which is nice. makes him a better person
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 13:16:46
June 19 2009 13:15 GMT
#114
Forgive me if I miss something, but what exactly is the problem with walling in on the top left of medusa? I can wall both the main choke and the nat choke ling-tight with 1sup 1rax / 2sup 1rax respectively.

I was too late to see the first game, so I don't know how ret walled.

Btw, I used ICCup NeoMedusa 2.0 for my wallins. I'm not sure if that is the most recent version, but in Jaedong v Baby (very recent proleague game), baby uses the exact same wallin at his nat and it seems to work just the same.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Teejing
Profile Joined January 2009
Germany1360 Posts
June 19 2009 13:24 GMT
#115
gg´s nevertheless, hope you get more lucky next time =).

Also great commentating Artosis, why dont you pair up with tasteless?
z]Benny
Profile Joined April 2006
Romania253 Posts
June 19 2009 13:29 GMT
#116
I think ret pretty damn ok vs a zerg that (as Artosis said) practices 2 hatch muta into mass muta endlessly. GG
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
June 19 2009 13:30 GMT
#117
On June 19 2009 22:15 spinesheath wrote:
I was too late to see the first game, so I don't know how ret walled.

You (and anyone else who missed the games, like me!) can watch the games on Artosis's stream. In the on demand section. Both games are in the latest video.

Also: glad to see those idiots banned (and to see that they didn't really get to ret; continuing to reply to people like that takes way more patience than I have, at least). gl in any future games against estro!
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
June 19 2009 13:34 GMT
#118
no worries ret!!!

you're totally awesome!!!!!

never give up!! :D
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Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
June 19 2009 13:46 GMT
#119
bad luck ret, we can all agree that things could have gone better, but it's not like these two games define your existence
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66155 Posts
June 19 2009 13:53 GMT
#120
On June 19 2009 22:15 spinesheath wrote:
Forgive me if I miss something, but what exactly is the problem with walling in on the top left of medusa? I can wall both the main choke and the nat choke ling-tight with 1sup 1rax / 2sup 1rax respectively.

I was too late to see the first game, so I don't know how ret walled.

Btw, I used ICCup NeoMedusa 2.0 for my wallins. I'm not sure if that is the most recent version, but in Jaedong v Baby (very recent proleague game), baby uses the exact same wallin at his nat and it seems to work just the same.

There is a complete wall-in available at 11 iirc, except you'll have to lift your rax to let your marine in, which is rather risky and unsafe.
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15324 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 13:56:05
June 19 2009 13:54 GMT
#121
On June 19 2009 22:15 spinesheath wrote:
Forgive me if I miss something, but what exactly is the problem with walling in on the top left of medusa? I can wall both the main choke and the nat choke ling-tight with 1sup 1rax / 2sup 1rax respectively.

I was too late to see the first game, so I don't know how ret walled.

Btw, I used ICCup NeoMedusa 2.0 for my wallins. I'm not sure if that is the most recent version, but in Jaedong v Baby (very recent proleague game), baby uses the exact same wallin at his nat and it seems to work just the same.

You can't wall the nat at 11. Please post pic or rep of walling where it works if you managed to.

Ah Kona probably just answered it wallin doesn't help of course if the marines spawn outside.
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Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 13:55:57
June 19 2009 13:55 GMT
#122
you can wall there..but marine pops wrong side..so its not really that good unless u go mech
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kAra
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany1355 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 14:04:36
June 19 2009 14:04 GMT
#123
results in op pleasee
mada mada dane
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66155 Posts
June 19 2009 14:04 GMT
#124
Yeah, I have no idea how many games I lost because I lifted rax to let marines/scvs in and lings/dts run past =/
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dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
June 19 2009 14:11 GMT
#125
not much to do against those progamer mutas aye ^^
stream some icc please ret! :D
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statix
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States1760 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 14:15:40
June 19 2009 14:15 GMT
#126
good job ret


thanks for letting us watch this :D
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Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
June 19 2009 14:15 GMT
#127
Great games, thanks to ret and jinsoo and artosis for casting/commentary.

Hoping to see more of top foreigner v progamer soon.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
June 19 2009 14:18 GMT
#128
ok, I didn't think of the marine spawning outside. Zerg player

Anyways I played around a bit and came up with this:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


There is only 1 hole, while the wall ret used had 2. Marines and SCVs also with through there. Should be a bit easier to defend though it might be a bit tricky to get new marines inside the wall with lings nearby and an SCV in the gap.

Also if you want some fancy ling-tight wall with rines spawning inside:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I am not sure if the aca had to be placed there or on tile to the right. Should have made screens the first time I did this...
It obviously takes a while to get such a wall up and afterwards your nat is too tight to properly fight mutas, so... I would never do that
It has to be an academy because sup to the left of CC has a gap, and the rax can't me moved to the right since then rines would spawn outside. Maybe they would spawn inside if you move the rax one tile to the right and put an SCV where the rine would spawn...


If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
disco
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Netherlands1667 Posts
June 19 2009 14:22 GMT
#129
Sad to see you lose ret, nice try though.
this game is a fucking jokie
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
June 19 2009 14:34 GMT
#130
Ah too bad, ret. Better luck next time. Just don't let the trashtalking of some (now banned ^^) asshats get to you, everyone here that isn't some retarded troll knows how good you are. ^^
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Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
June 19 2009 14:37 GMT
#131
we will all forgive you.......


especially if you stream some games later today!!!
SoulMarine
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States586 Posts
June 19 2009 14:45 GMT
#132
Poor ret. lost to pure mutas twice
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JohnBall
Profile Joined December 2008
Brazil1272 Posts
June 19 2009 14:46 GMT
#133
On June 19 2009 22:05 Highways wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 21:54 JohnBall wrote:
I didn't catch the matches, anyone cares to wirght a analysis? or maybe a replay?
Also, will Ret play against other progamers? I believe his zerg play is pretty good, I want to se him play against a pro terran or protoss.


Game 1:

Ret started at 11, which meant he couldn't wall in properly. He went quick CC into 2 rax. Even though he built a bunker, 6 zerglings still got in and raped the marines. Once 2 Hatch mutas popped out it was pretty much over.


Game 2:

Game was going ok until 4 zerglings snuck in and killed a turret at the natural like 10 seconds before the mutalisks arrived. The problem was that Ret had to move his marines very close to the mineral lines to defend, so when the Zerg player moved into the main it took forever for the marines to go back. Marines were stuck behind scv's and stuff. This let the mutalisks easily pick off all the marines and game was over.



Thanks for the analysis.
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AloneInDaBunker
Profile Joined November 2008
Korea (South)123 Posts
June 19 2009 14:55 GMT
#134
you like to watch foreigners go up against progamers but who the fuck will do that if hundreds of you jump on them after their games. just manner up a bit and talk the same stuff but in more respectful manner if you wanna see ret and other foreigners play more progamers. win or lose, its entertaining.
Boxer is the truth.
HooHa!
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States688 Posts
June 19 2009 14:58 GMT
#135
Aww man I missed the games.

2 hat of course! I figured that's how ret would lose.

But question...Do you get to play more pro's? I hope that isn't it, because you certainly deserve more chances to play. If anything, it may give you more practice against 2 hatch.
Hoo Ra!
JohnBall
Profile Joined December 2008
Brazil1272 Posts
June 19 2009 14:59 GMT
#136
I think he will play more B teamers, but anyone knows when? Date and time?
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shafiru
Profile Joined January 2009
111 Posts
June 19 2009 15:05 GMT
#137
Out of curiosity, how would IdrA do against Hwata[SaM]?
bengaliToss ftw...
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66155 Posts
June 19 2009 15:06 GMT
#138
On June 19 2009 23:18 spinesheath wrote:
ok, I didn't think of the marine spawning outside. Zerg player

Anyways I played around a bit and came up with this:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


There is only 1 hole, while the wall ret used had 2. Marines and SCVs also with through there. Should be a bit easier to defend though it might be a bit tricky to get new marines inside the wall with lings nearby and an SCV in the gap.

Also if you want some fancy ling-tight wall with rines spawning inside:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I am not sure if the aca had to be placed there or on tile to the right. Should have made screens the first time I did this...
It obviously takes a while to get such a wall up and afterwards your nat is too tight to properly fight mutas, so... I would never do that
It has to be an academy because sup to the left of CC has a gap, and the rax can't me moved to the right since then rines would spawn outside. Maybe they would spawn inside if you move the rax one tile to the right and put an SCV where the rine would spawn...



I always placed the rax 1 square to the left of the first picture, that's pretty cool. But unfortunately, it's slightly too far so repairing it in an emergency will be quite a hassle if you don't have SCVs nearby. 6 lings can take down those depots fairly quickly. As for the second wall, it'll obstruct marine/medic path movement, giving mutalisks more freedom to pick off units without getting much damage.

Thanks for the pics and effort though!
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
June 19 2009 15:21 GMT
#139
Dammit! Bummed I missed this.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
June 19 2009 15:32 GMT
#140
Well, I mentioned that the second wall is useless very early on and as soon as the mutas pop. Oviously just something I made for fun.

The distance between the minerals and the depot is not that much longer than it is at the right natural. At the bottom left the supplies can be placed really close to the geysir.
Sure, that additional 1 second can be enogh to lose the depot, but so far this seems to be the best wall. All the other walls are extremely expensive (academys wall sooo much better, but you usually can't afford one so early) or have 2 or more gaps. So if you plan to use SCVs to block those gaps, you can just as well keep them idling behind that wall I suggested, ready to repair.
Having that wall so far from the CC will also make it easier to fight mutas.

If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
June 19 2009 15:37 GMT
#141
that one wall looks great, killing the gap between supplys. it should be just fine to use i think.
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peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
June 19 2009 15:58 GMT
#142
shoulda played zerg ret
the throws never bothered me anyway
Try
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1293 Posts
June 19 2009 16:11 GMT
#143
Yeah, should've 4pooled the guy both games XD.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66155 Posts
June 19 2009 16:14 GMT
#144
Just wondering ret, but since we're on the topic of walling, why didn't you go for the 1 supply 1 rax wall behind the nat? Curious as a T player
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Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
June 19 2009 16:20 GMT
#145
well because if you do that, and you fe into m^m, and your opponent 2 hatches, you have to worry about speedlings + fast mutas, so by having to make your b.o being able to defend vs speedlings you are pretty much auto death vs the mutas, whereas on the other spots, you can wallin and just counter the mutas by going fast 1 weapon.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66155 Posts
June 19 2009 16:23 GMT
#146
Oh cool, I usually do 1 depot 1 rax wall -> FE with bunker at nat. Does that hurt my econ/timing, and how bad?
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AstraBoy
Profile Joined August 2006
Peru363 Posts
June 19 2009 16:53 GMT
#147
it doesnt.
Cube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada777 Posts
June 19 2009 16:55 GMT
#148
will we be getting replays from this event?
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66155 Posts
June 19 2009 16:56 GMT
#149
On June 20 2009 01:55 Cube wrote:
will we be getting replays from this event?

Artosis saved the replays, so I guess so? Unless the eSTRO players object or something.
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
June 19 2009 16:57 GMT
#150
the bunker and constant marines kills your +1 and barracks timings. muta harass is ridiculously strong on medusa, but at 6/3 you can go 1 rax ebay-> 3 rax asap meaning you're much better prepared for the mutas than on a normal map, so it balances out. if you cant do that the mutas are retardedly strong. and mech is not good on medusa.
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Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
June 19 2009 16:57 GMT
#151
On June 20 2009 01:23 konadora wrote:
Oh cool, I usually do 1 depot 1 rax wall -> FE with bunker at nat. Does that hurt my econ/timing, and how bad?


when playing vs zergs with crazy mutas, not having the +1 and the map being medusa with the highground behind the main it will hurt you enough so that it's auto-loss, at least imo.
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
June 19 2009 18:02 GMT
#152
On June 20 2009 00:58 peidongyang wrote:
shoulda played zerg ret


why would he offrace?
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
June 19 2009 18:08 GMT
#153
On June 20 2009 03:02 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2009 00:58 peidongyang wrote:
shoulda played zerg ret


why would he offrace?



his main is z. but he dosnt play zvz so he play tvz
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
June 19 2009 18:47 GMT
#154
On June 20 2009 03:08 StorZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2009 03:02 Zoler wrote:
On June 20 2009 00:58 peidongyang wrote:
shoulda played zerg ret


why would he offrace?



his main is z. but he dosnt play zvz so he play tvz


Exactly, if his main mu is TvZ, then ZvZ is his offrace? (or off-matchup to be exact)
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
kidd
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States2848 Posts
June 19 2009 19:04 GMT
#155
Man, I'm really bummed I missed this. I bet if ret played vs hwata again now knowing a little bit more about his play style he would win for sure. I've seen ret play some really good z's on iccup at A rank and beat them down hard.
Hi
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
June 19 2009 19:08 GMT
#156
All I have to say is that alot of you are complete jerks.

Ret is a fucking baller for playing live streamed matches against korean zergs. How the fuck can you do anything but respect the balls to do that.

Two hat muta micro from pro gamers is impossibly harder to beat then anything non-korean zergs do. I mean just knowing where to attack with the mutas for the first 25 seconds is a game changing affair and losing against someone who understands that is not a bad thing at all.

I think you vaginas need to change your tone and say thank you for having small events like this put on for you.

(This is addressed the the bm punks or the shit talkers.)

Jos HWaITING ~!~!~!

<3
pN.rain
Profile Joined June 2009
Romania17 Posts
June 19 2009 19:15 GMT
#157
Like AttackZerg said 2 hatch muta is insane against foreigners .

If those B-teamers play standard , ret can put a good fight against them , even in ZvT .
In these wavering skies , I will fly to you ...
Ellis
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
247 Posts
June 19 2009 19:18 GMT
#158
On June 20 2009 04:08 AttackZerg wrote:
Ret is a fucking baller for playing live streamed matches against korean zergs. How the fuck can you do anything but respect the balls to do that.

This.

Is ret going to play more matches regardless of the lost set? I think it would be great to see how he compares with other b-team members in other match ups.
kidd
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States2848 Posts
June 19 2009 19:21 GMT
#159
I would actually like to see ret play vs a B-team protoss the most. ret used to say that zvp was his worst m/u but I really like how he plays it.
Hi
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
June 19 2009 19:48 GMT
#160
Hey ret, how come you haven't played or familiarized yourself with mech? It's so popular on a lot of the maps nowadays.
Graphics
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
June 19 2009 20:01 GMT
#161
On June 20 2009 04:08 AttackZerg wrote:
All I have to say is that alot of you are complete jerks.

Ret is a fucking baller for playing live streamed matches against korean zergs. How the fuck can you do anything but respect the balls to do that.

Two hat muta micro from pro gamers is impossibly harder to beat then anything non-korean zergs do. I mean just knowing where to attack with the mutas for the first 25 seconds is a game changing affair and losing against someone who understands that is not a bad thing at all.

I think you vaginas need to change your tone and say thank you for having small events like this put on for you.

(This is addressed the the bm punks or the shit talkers.)

Jos HWaITING ~!~!~!

<3

I think there was only one guy giving him crap.......and he is banned, so yeah you are right, but it was squashed a few hours ago!!
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
June 19 2009 20:06 GMT
#162
On June 20 2009 01:57 IdrA wrote:
the bunker and constant marines kills your +1 and barracks timings. muta harass is ridiculously strong on medusa, but at 6/3 you can go 1 rax ebay-> 3 rax asap meaning you're much better prepared for the mutas than on a normal map, so it balances out. if you cant do that the mutas are retardedly strong. and mech is not good on medusa.

What's the difference in the high ground between 3/6 and 11 that makes 11 so retarded?
Graphics
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11143 Posts
June 19 2009 20:07 GMT
#163
On June 20 2009 04:48 SilverskY wrote:
Hey ret, how come you haven't played or familiarized yourself with mech? It's so popular on a lot of the maps nowadays.

Mech isn't awesome enough for ret >: 3
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ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
June 19 2009 20:11 GMT
#164
Ret, while you might not have won, they were gg's. Seriously you are so amazing lately, keep being such a baller pl0x.
U Gotta Skate.
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
June 19 2009 20:24 GMT
#165
awww
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Igakusei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States610 Posts
June 19 2009 20:24 GMT
#166
On June 20 2009 05:06 SilverskY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2009 01:57 IdrA wrote:
the bunker and constant marines kills your +1 and barracks timings. muta harass is ridiculously strong on medusa, but at 6/3 you can go 1 rax ebay-> 3 rax asap meaning you're much better prepared for the mutas than on a normal map, so it balances out. if you cant do that the mutas are retardedly strong. and mech is not good on medusa.

What's the difference in the high ground between 3/6 and 11 that makes 11 so retarded?


The inability to make a ling-proof wall where your marines spawn inside the wall. If you prepare for speedlings, you can't stop the mutas, and if you prepare for the mutas, you can get killed by speedlings. A good zerg will be able to punish you no matter what you do, if you try to m&m at that position.
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
June 19 2009 20:28 GMT
#167
Oooh I see... Interesting, I didn't know that.
Graphics
Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
June 19 2009 20:33 GMT
#168
Not very good game filled with lag... i really like this idea though of foreigner having a go at the korean b-teamers show match, unfortunately we didn't really get to see much from ret, i hope they do a rematch once they figured out how to fix the lag.

Great commentary from Artosis and i really commend him on his effort of bringing us closer to the starcraft e-sport scenes.
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
June 19 2009 20:46 GMT
#169
This is awesome. I was out eating so I missed the live, but hopefully ret keeps up what he's doing, kickin as!
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
June 19 2009 20:48 GMT
#170
Ret Rules!
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YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
June 19 2009 20:52 GMT
#171
hmm i don't get why terrans don't put a bunker by their nat on destination instead, it blocks lurker harrass from behind the walls and does wonders vs mutas as well. Plus u can extract the marines out of it anytime, and its much more cheaper than placing 2-3 turrets behind, which becomes absolutely useless after the mutas are gone.
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Zepish
Profile Joined June 2008
Canada160 Posts
June 19 2009 21:04 GMT
#172
On June 20 2009 05:52 YPang wrote:
hmm i don't get why terrans don't put a bunker by their nat on destination instead, it blocks lurker harrass from behind the walls and does wonders vs mutas as well. Plus u can extract the marines out of it anytime, and its much more cheaper than placing 2-3 turrets behind, which becomes absolutely useless after the mutas are gone.


On June 19 2009 21:41 ret wrote:


on desti i fucked up and should have made a bunker at my nat min line but on medusa i did nothing wrong given i was dead as soon as i spawned @ 11


In)Spire
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1323 Posts
June 19 2009 21:53 GMT
#173
Any link to the games?
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
June 19 2009 21:57 GMT
#174
On June 20 2009 06:53 In)Spire wrote:
Any link to the games?

http://www.livestream.com/artosis

Click on-demand.
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In)Spire
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1323 Posts
June 19 2009 21:58 GMT
#175
^^ Thanks!
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
June 19 2009 22:07 GMT
#176
Much props for artosis, ret, the korean guy, and people for explaining the strategic background.

I think this loss was a big deal because idra said ret = b-teamers.
On a silly note, if strelok > tossgirl, ret < b-teamers, is tossgirl > ret?
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
June 19 2009 22:14 GMT
#177
How does that make any sense?
Jaedong
invy
Profile Joined April 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina41 Posts
June 19 2009 22:16 GMT
#178
GG ret!

I watched 2nd game, it was sick harass it happens to the korean pros all the time to lose vs mutas in similar fashion. Think July... Nothing bad about it.. he used that opening nicely to destroy turret with lings. He got lucky a bit on that.. rest of the game was korean clinical.
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
June 19 2009 22:44 GMT
#179
I really like the analysis about the bunker... thanks!
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3416 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-20 09:17:25
June 19 2009 23:02 GMT
#180
I think it would be much more fun if Artosis casted the replays instead of live. Nobody really cares if it's live or not if nobody knows the score (except for the players, obviously) and that way there are no lag issues.

And no, these games weren't gg's at all. I respect Ret for going against pros and his overall skill level (he's easily a top 3 non-korean and has the best TvZ of all foreigners), but he got crushed and the games were way too one-sided to be fun to watch. I don't think even ret himself likes all the butt kissing.

I've made so many mistakes, no more typing up messages at 2 am -_-
Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2109 Posts
June 19 2009 23:34 GMT
#181
I would be game for games casted from replays as long as artosis doesn't know the results, the lag for all parties sucked somewhat.
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Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
June 20 2009 00:20 GMT
#182
On June 20 2009 01:57 IdrA wrote:
and mech is not good on medusa.


+1 for this!! yeah!!
Whenever I encounter some little hitch, or some of my orbs get out of orbit, nothing pleases me so much as to make the crooked straight and crush down uneven places. www.day9.tv
Tehinf
Profile Joined September 2008
United States192 Posts
June 20 2009 00:47 GMT
#183
VODS PLEASE?!
"Good, better, best. Never let it rest until your good is better, and your better is best."
Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2109 Posts
June 20 2009 00:52 GMT
#184
On June 20 2009 09:47 Tehinf wrote:
VODS PLEASE?!

On June 20 2009 06:57 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2009 06:53 In)Spire wrote:
Any link to the games?

http://www.livestream.com/artosis

Click on-demand.

Nerdette // External revolution - Internal revolution // Fabulous // I raise my hands to heaven of curiosity // I don't know what to ask for // What has it got for me? // Kerribear
Tehinf
Profile Joined September 2008
United States192 Posts
June 20 2009 00:55 GMT
#185
On June 20 2009 09:52 Kerotan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2009 09:47 Tehinf wrote:
VODS PLEASE?!

Show nested quote +
On June 20 2009 06:57 Harem wrote:
On June 20 2009 06:53 In)Spire wrote:
Any link to the games?

http://www.livestream.com/artosis

Click on-demand.


thank you so much
"Good, better, best. Never let it rest until your good is better, and your better is best."
PobTheCad
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Australia893 Posts
June 20 2009 01:03 GMT
#186
On June 20 2009 08:02 True_Spike wrote:
I think it would be much more fun if Artosis casted the replays instead of live. Nobody really cares if it's live or not if nobody knows the score (except for the players, obviously) and that way they are no lag issues.

And no, these games weren't gg's at all. I respect Ret for going against pro's and his overall skill level (he's easily a top 3 non-korean and has the best TvZ of all foreigners), but he got crashed and the games were way too one sided to be fun to watch. I don't think ret himself likes all the butt kissing.

true
nice effort and all but these koreans are just on another level
Once again back is the incredible!
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-20 02:09:29
June 20 2009 02:05 GMT
#187
On June 20 2009 10:03 PobTheCad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2009 08:02 True_Spike wrote:
I think it would be much more fun if Artosis casted the replays instead of live. Nobody really cares if it's live or not if nobody knows the score (except for the players, obviously) and that way they are no lag issues.

And no, these games weren't gg's at all. I respect Ret for going against pro's and his overall skill level (he's easily a top 3 non-korean and has the best TvZ of all foreigners), but he got crashed and the games were way too one sided to be fun to watch. I don't think ret himself likes all the butt kissing.

true
nice effort and all but these koreans are just on another level


someone can catch up right? anyone? idra? maybe O_o

(i still have faith in you ret
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66155 Posts
June 20 2009 02:37 GMT
#188
Actually, isn't mech now more viable on the new medusa, where you can turret up and do it Ruby style?

Although that's kinda gay.
POGGERS
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
June 20 2009 02:39 GMT
#189
Aww, I'm too late
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
June 20 2009 08:57 GMT
#190
On June 19 2009 21:44 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 21:39 Fric wrote:
try to survive more then 10 min next time


Don't be a douche. You woulda died in 2 minutes


It's actually pretty hard to die in 2 minutes considering there won't be any fighting units out
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
June 20 2009 09:00 GMT
#191
On June 20 2009 17:57 Foucault wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 21:44 Zoler wrote:
On June 19 2009 21:39 Fric wrote:
try to survive more then 10 min next time


Don't be a douche. You woulda died in 2 minutes


It's actually pretty hard to die in 2 minutes considering there won't be any fighting units out


SCV/Probe/Drone rush !
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Gustav_Wind
Profile Joined July 2008
United States646 Posts
June 20 2009 09:10 GMT
#192
On June 20 2009 11:37 konadora wrote:
Actually, isn't mech now more viable on the new medusa, where you can turret up and do it Ruby style?

Although that's kinda gay.


I thought Ruby style only worked on maps where you can cut the map in half... turtling isn't so good on Neo Medusa when they'll end up with 2x the resources you have and crush you
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-20 11:53:46
June 20 2009 11:41 GMT
#193
On June 19 2009 21:31 konadora wrote:
That was.. idk. Unexpected.

No it wasnt

Absolutely no offense to ret.

Any B team member is A+ level on iccup. Any non pro would be a huge underdog.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-20 11:45:50
June 20 2009 11:45 GMT
#194
On June 19 2009 21:48 Fric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 21:44 Zoler wrote:
On June 19 2009 21:39 Fric wrote:
try to survive more then 10 min next time


Don't be a douche. You woulda died in 2 minutes



ok,but i dont act to be a gamer, like someone else ..

Oh you're french?

Pretty sure you would've surrendered before the match began...

zing...
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-20 12:13:19
June 20 2009 12:12 GMT
#195
On June 20 2009 04:48 SilverskY wrote:
Hey ret, how come you haven't played or familiarized yourself with mech? It's so popular on a lot of the maps nowadays.


You have to keep in mind that for starters, TvZ is only 1/3 of his matchups and mech-demanding maps are a subset of that still, so I think it's more of a return-on-investment-based decision to not invest much time in learning to mech when it 's only "obligatory" to use that on certain maps, and then not even in 2/3 of his matchups. After all as a strat mech is more than e.g. just mindlessly building some vults and tanks so it would take real effort to be as good with mech as he is awesome with bio-mech. Just my 2 cents.
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
June 28 2009 06:11 GMT
#196
so Ret vs estro toss upcoming?
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Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-06 04:05:30
August 06 2009 04:05 GMT
#197
http://www.justin.tv/scforall gogogog

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