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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
vods will be released afterwards at some point. everyone go tell your friends, it should be good! + Show Spoiler [Results] + | ||
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Shattered
United States267 Posts
 well hopefully its still going by the time i get back ( 2 hours) | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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StimD
Norway738 Posts
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
 I'm really curious if ret can handle eStro pro's. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
GREEN BAR TIME | ||
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
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littlechava
United States7216 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:44 Kennigit wrote: I knew there was a reason i woke up at 7am on my day off. sick!@ yeah seriously | ||
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Tehinf
United States192 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
Why the fuck dont you let me learn for my fckin exams? | ||
Harem
United States11390 Posts
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GTR
51411 Posts
should work as well! | ||
SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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Apollo[AoN]
Romania22 Posts
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
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Llamaz
Australia90 Posts
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cafaro
Netherlands32 Posts
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
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GoSu
Korea (South)1773 Posts
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
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Tehinf
United States192 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:52 SilverskY wrote: HOly shit I would so watch this but it's already 5:00am here. T-T; yeah i kno, i gotta leave soon but i want to know if there will be commentary on the vods o.o | ||
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SoulMarine
United States586 Posts
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739
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
 hwata[saM] in a bo3 game. | ||
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littlechava
United States7216 Posts
On June 19 2009 20:59 crucifix wrote: So as romours says, it's gonna be ret vs hwata[saM] in a bo3 game.rumors? artosis said that ~_~ | ||
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Shadrik
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
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drinking
Philippines281 Posts
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.iccup.com/upload/images/news/2222/retvsestrobanner2.jpg) | ||
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GTR
51411 Posts
rofl | ||
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midou
Bulgaria1168 Posts
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
edit: "this is progamer mutalisk" | ||
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
http://www.livestream.com/konadora | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
Isnt MnM completely useless on Medusa and Desti vs progamer 2 hat muta? | ||
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
"No, Zergs go to hell because they're gross. Look at them. Bugs." LOL | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:22 samachking wrote: Jinsoo 1-0 Ret Isnt MnM completely useless on Medusa and Desti vs progamer 2 hat muta? Nope... | ||
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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GTR
51411 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
More like, yes... | ||
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pR0gR4m3R
Spain1446 Posts
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
Didnt Idra say something like that? Thats why every single progamer, including hwasin goes mech on medusa and desti due to to spacing behind the bases making mutas too imba. | ||
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
Wow, that Korean Zerg had some sick muta micro.... | ||
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BWdero
Netherlands476 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:30 pR0gR4m3R wrote: ret playing Terran?? Wasnt he Zerg?? Ret plays ZvP, ZvT and TvZ. | ||
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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BookTwo
1985 Posts
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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Xe(-_-)Ro
Canada69 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
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Llamaz
Australia90 Posts
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LorDo
Sweden485 Posts
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Progamer muta micro > Foreigners | ||
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GTR
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lilsusie
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Xe(-_-)Ro
Canada69 Posts
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lux[chavii]
Germany115 Posts
wasnt he supposed to play several programers on one day?! | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
 no surprise that i lose to 2 hatch mutas like that, on medusa i would've had a good chance if i didn't get top left thought, that spot is impossible, unless you do some mech build which I never do so yeah.. | ||
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:30 samachking wrote: Didnt Idra say something like that? Thats why every single progamer, including hwasin goes mech on medusa and desti due to to spacing behind the bases making mutas too imba. All progamers doesn't go mech. Check through medusas VODs and if you see 100% mech tell me. | ||
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lux[chavii]
Germany115 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:33 ret wrote: no surprise that i lose to 2 hatch mutas like that, on medusa i would've had a good chance if i didn't get top left thought, that spot is impossible, unless you do some mech build which I never do so yeah..are more games coming up? werent you supposed to play several progamers? | ||
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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lux[chavii]
Germany115 Posts
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
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Kolean.Tellan
Belgium217 Posts
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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GTR
51411 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:34 Zoler wrote: All progamers doesn't go mech. Check through medusas VODs and if you see 100% mech tell me. check every tvz on medusa with a terran spawning at 11 and tell me if they win with bionic or not. | ||
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:34 Zoler wrote: All progamers doesn't go mech. Check through medusas VODs and if you see 100% mech tell me. Hwasin who has some of the best bio in the world goes mech on Medusa. I wonder why. | ||
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cujo2k
Canada1044 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:36 Artosis wrote: someone hook me up with the right version of camtasia, maybe it was procaster/windows mode that messed everything up. you can dl a free 30 day trial here http://www.techsmith.com/download/oldversions.asp#camtasia 5.1 and 5.0 i think work well with streaming sc also you can find a bunch from rapidshare on here http://rapidlibrary.com/index.php?q=camtasia 5&filetype=0 | ||
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Fric
France12 Posts
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GoSu
Korea (South)1773 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:39 Fric wrote: try to survive more then 10 min next time don't be stupid.. how often do I play vs 2 hatch mutas? foreigners never do that, and if they do, it doesn't lag. wtf am I supposed on top left medusa where I can't wallin and have lost every single game to 2hat muta I ever played? and then i play vs a progamer who 2hatches muta on top of that? Do a mech build I have maybe done once or twice, ever? on desti i fucked up and should have made a bunker at my nat min line but on medusa i did nothing wrong given i was dead as soon as i spawned @ 11 | ||
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streampowered
United States60 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:39 Fric wrote: try to survive more then 10 min next time Don't be a douche. You woulda died in 2 minutes | ||
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FranzF1
Chile1710 Posts
[url blocked] if that not work: + Show Spoiler + Serials: H9GAP-CSVCX-HVB9F-P28DX-G65C9 5V7CY-FQNXN-CK8VB-FMCQA-QAE5C LSMCW-62FBM-CP3DH-YTPU9-CEF79 | ||
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:43 streampowered wrote: so you did nothing wrong even though you admit you should mech there but you decided not to because its more fun to run around with marines He also doesn't even know if the zerg is going to 2hat muta when the game starts. | ||
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streampowered
United States60 Posts
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:45 streampowered wrote: You not being good enough to use mech is what you did wrong. How can you complain about this? Obviously its better to wall in than not but if you had a better option then you did a mistake Have you tried playing mech against zerg you know... without any prior experience? If he's bad enough at mech to go bionic @ 11 on Medusa then going mech would've just gotten him raped faster. | ||
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:45 streampowered wrote: You not being good enough to use mech is what you did wrong. How can you complain about this? Obviously its better to wall in than not but if you had a better option then you did a mistake yes well obviously im not good enough, hes a progamer. and Obviously it's my fault I can't play from 11 pos on medusa, but these are flaws that were there before I went into that series, it's not like I can fix it overnight. Or fix it while playing foreign zergs where it doesn't even matter what build I use because I win anyway. I'm just saying the games weren't as good as they could've been, I would've had a very good chance if i got one of the other two positions on medusa. You don't need to flame me for losing to a progamer. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:33 ret wrote: no surprise that i lose to 2 hatch mutas like that, on medusa i would've had a good chance if i didn't get top left thought, that spot is impossible, unless you do some mech build which I never do so yeah..i forgive you on that spot ret | ||
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
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Fric
France12 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:44 Zoler wrote: Don't be a douche. You woulda died in 2 minutes ok,but i dont act to be a gamer, like someone else .. | ||
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streampowered
United States60 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:48 Artosis wrote: i think i need camtasia 4.0. i think i already tried 6 and it didnt work out, but rage's guide was for 4.0 Anything before 6.0 works. 6.0 doesn't have live output for whatever reason but both 4.0+ and 5.0+ should do what you need. | ||
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GTR
51411 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:49 streampowered wrote: im super sure he just wanted to show how good he is and win with marines instead of camping mech and rolling out once again a clueless statement from an obscure member of the public, bravo. | ||
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
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streampowered
United States60 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:50 GTR wrote: once again a clueless statement from an obscure member of the public, bravo. ya u think that never came into consideration when he picked the strats? | ||
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:43 streampowered wrote: so you did nothing wrong even though you admit you should mech there but you decided not to because its more fun to run around with marines On June 19 2009 21:39 Fric wrote: try to survive more then 10 min next time On June 19 2009 21:45 streampowered wrote: You not being good enough to use mech is what you did wrong. How can you complain about this? Obviously its better to wall in than not but if you had a better option then you did a mistake On June 19 2009 21:52 streampowered wrote: ya u think that never came into consideration when he picked the strats? Wow. Whats up with the hate/harsh comments? Seriously?! | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:52 streampowered wrote: ya u think that never came into consideration when he picked the strats? Yea... actually I am... as are most people that know ret. You know the same ret that went normal bionic against JAEDONGS two hatch muta. I think we can take his build at face value. | ||
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:52 streampowered wrote: ya u think that never came into consideration when he picked the strats? Why aren't you banned yet | ||
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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JohnBall
Brazil1272 Posts
Also, will Ret play against other progamers? I believe his zerg play is pretty good, I want to se him play against a pro terran or protoss. | ||
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FranzF1
Chile1710 Posts
http://rapidshare.com/files/138183603/Camtasia_Studio.rar the password for the rar its: www.chilewarez.org <---- not spamming its the password | ||
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Smorrie
Netherlands2922 Posts
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KarlSberg~
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On June 19 2009 21:48 Fric wrote: ok,but i dont act to be a gamer, like someone else .. On June 19 2009 21:49 streampowered wrote: im super sure he just wanted to show how good he is and win with marines instead of camping mech and rolling out I don't get it, is there something Ret did or said that would lead to random assholes trashtalking him? | ||
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Kenny
United States678 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:49 streampowered wrote: im super sure he just wanted to show how good he is and win with marines instead of camping mech and rolling out Steampowered honestly stfu you idiot. You know I thought maybe you would quit talking 2 pages ago, but I guess stupidity pulls through again. | ||
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Danka
Peru1018 Posts
but i don't know what people expected vs an Estro player... its still foreigner vs PRO GAMER... the Gap is still significant i think edit: wtf at people bashing ret!? like anyone could do any better wtf | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
1) Where has this massive influx of shitty threads come from? 2) Why are there so many shitty posters on this site now? rahh ggs ret, hope to see more in the future (hopefully without lag... there is a reason TL doesn't do live streams anymore =/) | ||
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
Edit: Ok some admin took care of it. | ||
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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Igakusei
United States610 Posts
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cujo2k
Canada1044 Posts
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Highways
Australia6103 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:54 JohnBall wrote: I didn't catch the matches, anyone cares to wirght a analysis? or maybe a replay? Also, will Ret play against other progamers? I believe his zerg play is pretty good, I want to se him play against a pro terran or protoss. Game 1: Ret started at 11, which meant he couldn't wall in properly. He went quick CC into 2 rax. Even though he built a bunker, 6 zerglings still got in and raped the marines. Once 2 Hatch mutas popped out it was pretty much over. Game 2: Game was going ok until 4 zerglings snuck in and killed a turret at the natural like 10 seconds before the mutalisks arrived. The problem was that Ret had to move his marines very close to the mineral lines to defend, so when the Zerg player moved into the main it took forever for the marines to go back. Marines were stuck behind scv's and stuff. This let the mutalisks easily pick off all the marines and game was over. | ||
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Smorrie
Netherlands2922 Posts
Too bad ret had kinda bad luck with the maps and spawning positions >.<. The second game seemed to be going pretty ok, but I guess on that level of play the smallest mistake can kill you. The zerg was awesome, knew exactly what to do, had a close to flawless execution and didn't allow ret to play up to his full potential. Waiting for the next series :D (without the lag !) | ||
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:57 Plexa wrote: What I want to know is.. 1) Where has this massive influx of shitty threads come from? 2) Why are there so many shitty posters on this site now? ... and it won't get better with sc II when the REAL masses are incoming (/pessimism /everything used to be better) pity jos you couldn't show what you're really made of in these two suboptimal games. hopefully there'll be games with less lag / better starting positions. | ||
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Aus)MaCrO
Australia349 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On June 19 2009 22:12 jpunshon wrote: Despite all the shit (lag, bad map positions, retarded posts), ret is still being good manner about it. Class act. deff, hes not raging which is nice. makes him a better person | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
I was too late to see the first game, so I don't know how ret walled. Btw, I used ICCup NeoMedusa 2.0 for my wallins. I'm not sure if that is the most recent version, but in Jaedong v Baby (very recent proleague game), baby uses the exact same wallin at his nat and it seems to work just the same. | ||
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Teejing
Germany1360 Posts
Also great commentating Artosis, why dont you pair up with tasteless? | ||
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z]Benny
Romania253 Posts
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Pyrthas
United States3196 Posts
On June 19 2009 22:15 spinesheath wrote: I was too late to see the first game, so I don't know how ret walled. You (and anyone else who missed the games, like me!) can watch the games on Artosis's stream. In the on demand section. Both games are in the latest video. Also: glad to see those idiots banned (and to see that they didn't really get to ret; continuing to reply to people like that takes way more patience than I have, at least). gl in any future games against estro! | ||
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
you're totally awesome!!!!! never give up!! :D | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
On June 19 2009 22:15 spinesheath wrote: Forgive me if I miss something, but what exactly is the problem with walling in on the top left of medusa? I can wall both the main choke and the nat choke ling-tight with 1sup 1rax / 2sup 1rax respectively. I was too late to see the first game, so I don't know how ret walled. Btw, I used ICCup NeoMedusa 2.0 for my wallins. I'm not sure if that is the most recent version, but in Jaedong v Baby (very recent proleague game), baby uses the exact same wallin at his nat and it seems to work just the same. There is a complete wall-in available at 11 iirc, except you'll have to lift your rax to let your marine in, which is rather risky and unsafe. | ||
zatic
Zurich15324 Posts
On June 19 2009 22:15 spinesheath wrote: Forgive me if I miss something, but what exactly is the problem with walling in on the top left of medusa? I can wall both the main choke and the nat choke ling-tight with 1sup 1rax / 2sup 1rax respectively. I was too late to see the first game, so I don't know how ret walled. Btw, I used ICCup NeoMedusa 2.0 for my wallins. I'm not sure if that is the most recent version, but in Jaedong v Baby (very recent proleague game), baby uses the exact same wallin at his nat and it seems to work just the same. You can't wall the nat at 11. Please post pic or rep of walling where it works if you managed to. Ah Kona probably just answered it wallin doesn't help of course if the marines spawn outside. | ||
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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kAra
Germany1355 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
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dibban
Sweden1279 Posts
stream some icc please ret! :D | ||
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statix
United States1760 Posts
thanks for letting us watch this :D | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
Hoping to see more of top foreigner v progamer soon. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
 Anyways I played around a bit and came up with this: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/MpreSSKahna/wall001.jpg) There is only 1 hole, while the wall ret used had 2. Marines and SCVs also with through there. Should be a bit easier to defend though it might be a bit tricky to get new marines inside the wall with lings nearby and an SCV in the gap. Also if you want some fancy ling-tight wall with rines spawning inside: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/MpreSSKahna/wall002.jpg) I am not sure if the aca had to be placed there or on tile to the right. Should have made screens the first time I did this... It obviously takes a while to get such a wall up and afterwards your nat is too tight to properly fight mutas, so... I would never do that It has to be an academy because sup to the left of CC has a gap, and the rax can't me moved to the right since then rines would spawn outside. Maybe they would spawn inside if you move the rax one tile to the right and put an SCV where the rine would spawn... | ||
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disco
Netherlands1667 Posts
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foeffa
Belgium2115 Posts
Just don't let the trashtalking of some (now banned ^^) asshats get to you, everyone here that isn't some retarded troll knows how good you are. ^^ | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
especially if you stream some games later today!!! | ||
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SoulMarine
United States586 Posts
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JohnBall
Brazil1272 Posts
On June 19 2009 22:05 Highways wrote: Game 1: Ret started at 11, which meant he couldn't wall in properly. He went quick CC into 2 rax. Even though he built a bunker, 6 zerglings still got in and raped the marines. Once 2 Hatch mutas popped out it was pretty much over. Game 2: Game was going ok until 4 zerglings snuck in and killed a turret at the natural like 10 seconds before the mutalisks arrived. The problem was that Ret had to move his marines very close to the mineral lines to defend, so when the Zerg player moved into the main it took forever for the marines to go back. Marines were stuck behind scv's and stuff. This let the mutalisks easily pick off all the marines and game was over. Thanks for the analysis. | ||
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AloneInDaBunker
Korea (South)123 Posts
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HooHa!
United States688 Posts
2 hat of course! I figured that's how ret would lose. But question...Do you get to play more pro's? I hope that isn't it, because you certainly deserve more chances to play. If anything, it may give you more practice against 2 hatch. | ||
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JohnBall
Brazil1272 Posts
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shafiru
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
On June 19 2009 23:18 spinesheath wrote: ok, I didn't think of the marine spawning outside. Zerg player Anyways I played around a bit and came up with this: + Show Spoiler + There is only 1 hole, while the wall ret used had 2. Marines and SCVs also with through there. Should be a bit easier to defend though it might be a bit tricky to get new marines inside the wall with lings nearby and an SCV in the gap. Also if you want some fancy ling-tight wall with rines spawning inside: + Show Spoiler + I am not sure if the aca had to be placed there or on tile to the right. Should have made screens the first time I did this... It obviously takes a while to get such a wall up and afterwards your nat is too tight to properly fight mutas, so... I would never do that It has to be an academy because sup to the left of CC has a gap, and the rax can't me moved to the right since then rines would spawn outside. Maybe they would spawn inside if you move the rax one tile to the right and put an SCV where the rine would spawn... I always placed the rax 1 square to the left of the first picture, that's pretty cool. But unfortunately, it's slightly too far so repairing it in an emergency will be quite a hassle if you don't have SCVs nearby. 6 lings can take down those depots fairly quickly. As for the second wall, it'll obstruct marine/medic path movement, giving mutalisks more freedom to pick off units without getting much damage. Thanks for the pics and effort though! | ||
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United States12607 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
The distance between the minerals and the depot is not that much longer than it is at the right natural. At the bottom left the supplies can be placed really close to the geysir. Sure, that additional 1 second can be enogh to lose the depot, but so far this seems to be the best wall. All the other walls are extremely expensive (academys wall sooo much better, but you usually can't afford one so early) or have 2 or more gaps. So if you plan to use SCVs to block those gaps, you can just as well keep them idling behind that wall I suggested, ready to repair. Having that wall so far from the CC will also make it easier to fight mutas. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
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Try
United States1293 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
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AstraBoy
Peru363 Posts
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Cube
Canada777 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
On June 20 2009 01:55 Cube wrote: will we be getting replays from this event? Artosis saved the replays, so I guess so? Unless the eSTRO players object or something. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
On June 20 2009 01:23 konadora wrote: Oh cool, I usually do 1 depot 1 rax wall -> FE with bunker at nat. Does that hurt my econ/timing, and how bad? when playing vs zergs with crazy mutas, not having the +1 and the map being medusa with the highground behind the main it will hurt you enough so that it's auto-loss, at least imo. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On June 20 2009 00:58 peidongyang wrote: shoulda played zerg ret why would he offrace? | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
his main is z. but he dosnt play zvz so he play tvz | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On June 20 2009 03:08 StorZerg wrote: his main is z. but he dosnt play zvz so he play tvz Exactly, if his main mu is TvZ, then ZvZ is his offrace? (or off-matchup to be exact) | ||
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
Ret is a fucking baller for playing live streamed matches against korean zergs. How the fuck can you do anything but respect the balls to do that. Two hat muta micro from pro gamers is impossibly harder to beat then anything non-korean zergs do. I mean just knowing where to attack with the mutas for the first 25 seconds is a game changing affair and losing against someone who understands that is not a bad thing at all. I think you vaginas need to change your tone and say thank you for having small events like this put on for you. (This is addressed the the bm punks or the shit talkers.) Jos HWaITING ~!~!~! <3 | ||
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pN.rain
Romania17 Posts
If those B-teamers play standard , ret can put a good fight against them , even in ZvT . | ||
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Ellis
247 Posts
On June 20 2009 04:08 AttackZerg wrote: Ret is a fucking baller for playing live streamed matches against korean zergs. How the fuck can you do anything but respect the balls to do that. This. Is ret going to play more matches regardless of the lost set? I think it would be great to see how he compares with other b-team members in other match ups. | ||
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On June 20 2009 04:08 AttackZerg wrote: All I have to say is that alot of you are complete jerks. Ret is a fucking baller for playing live streamed matches against korean zergs. How the fuck can you do anything but respect the balls to do that. Two hat muta micro from pro gamers is impossibly harder to beat then anything non-korean zergs do. I mean just knowing where to attack with the mutas for the first 25 seconds is a game changing affair and losing against someone who understands that is not a bad thing at all. I think you vaginas need to change your tone and say thank you for having small events like this put on for you. (This is addressed the the bm punks or the shit talkers.) Jos HWaITING ~!~!~! <3 I think there was only one guy giving him crap.......and he is banned, so yeah you are right, but it was squashed a few hours ago!! | ||
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
On June 20 2009 01:57 IdrA wrote: the bunker and constant marines kills your +1 and barracks timings. muta harass is ridiculously strong on medusa, but at 6/3 you can go 1 rax ebay-> 3 rax asap meaning you're much better prepared for the mutas than on a normal map, so it balances out. if you cant do that the mutas are retardedly strong. and mech is not good on medusa. What's the difference in the high ground between 3/6 and 11 that makes 11 so retarded? | ||
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Crunchums
United States11143 Posts
On June 20 2009 04:48 SilverskY wrote: Hey ret, how come you haven't played or familiarized yourself with mech? It's so popular on a lot of the maps nowadays. Mech isn't awesome enough for ret >: 3 | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
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Igakusei
United States610 Posts
On June 20 2009 05:06 SilverskY wrote: What's the difference in the high ground between 3/6 and 11 that makes 11 so retarded? The inability to make a ling-proof wall where your marines spawn inside the wall. If you prepare for speedlings, you can't stop the mutas, and if you prepare for the mutas, you can get killed by speedlings. A good zerg will be able to punish you no matter what you do, if you try to m&m at that position. | ||
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
Great commentary from Artosis and i really commend him on his effort of bringing us closer to the starcraft e-sport scenes. | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
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Zepish
Canada160 Posts
On June 20 2009 05:52 YPang wrote: hmm i don't get why terrans don't put a bunker by their nat on destination instead, it blocks lurker harrass from behind the walls and does wonders vs mutas as well. Plus u can extract the marines out of it anytime, and its much more cheaper than placing 2-3 turrets behind, which becomes absolutely useless after the mutas are gone. On June 19 2009 21:41 ret wrote: on desti i fucked up and should have made a bunker at my nat min line but on medusa i did nothing wrong given i was dead as soon as i spawned @ 11 | ||
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In)Spire
United States1323 Posts
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
On June 20 2009 06:53 In)Spire wrote: Any link to the games? http://www.livestream.com/artosis Click on-demand. | ||
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In)Spire
United States1323 Posts
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
I think this loss was a big deal because idra said ret = b-teamers. On a silly note, if strelok > tossgirl, ret < b-teamers, is tossgirl > ret? | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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invy
Bosnia-Herzegovina41 Posts
I watched 2nd game, it was sick harass it happens to the korean pros all the time to lose vs mutas in similar fashion. Think July... Nothing bad about it.. he used that opening nicely to destroy turret with lings. He got lucky a bit on that.. rest of the game was korean clinical. | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
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True_Spike
Poland3416 Posts
And no, these games weren't gg's at all. I respect Ret for going against pros and his overall skill level (he's easily a top 3 non-korean and has the best TvZ of all foreigners), but he got crushed and the games were way too one-sided to be fun to watch. I don't think even ret himself likes all the butt kissing. I've made so many mistakes, no more typing up messages at 2 am -_- | ||
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Kerotan
England2109 Posts
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
On June 20 2009 01:57 IdrA wrote: and mech is not good on medusa. +1 for this!! yeah!! | ||
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Tehinf
United States192 Posts
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Kerotan
England2109 Posts
On June 20 2009 09:47 Tehinf wrote: VODS PLEASE?! | ||
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Tehinf
United States192 Posts
thank you so much | ||
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PobTheCad
Australia893 Posts
On June 20 2009 08:02 True_Spike wrote: I think it would be much more fun if Artosis casted the replays instead of live. Nobody really cares if it's live or not if nobody knows the score (except for the players, obviously) and that way they are no lag issues. And no, these games weren't gg's at all. I respect Ret for going against pro's and his overall skill level (he's easily a top 3 non-korean and has the best TvZ of all foreigners), but he got crashed and the games were way too one sided to be fun to watch. I don't think ret himself likes all the butt kissing. true nice effort and all but these koreans are just on another level | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On June 20 2009 10:03 PobTheCad wrote: true nice effort and all but these koreans are just on another level someone can catch up right? anyone? idra? maybe O_o (i still have faith in you ret | ||
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
Although that's kinda gay. | ||
Kinky
United States4126 Posts
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:44 Zoler wrote: Don't be a douche. You woulda died in 2 minutes It's actually pretty hard to die in 2 minutes considering there won't be any fighting units out | ||
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739
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
On June 20 2009 17:57 Foucault wrote: It's actually pretty hard to die in 2 minutes considering there won't be any fighting units out SCV/Probe/Drone rush ! | ||
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Gustav_Wind
United States646 Posts
On June 20 2009 11:37 konadora wrote: Actually, isn't mech now more viable on the new medusa, where you can turret up and do it Ruby style? Although that's kinda gay. I thought Ruby style only worked on maps where you can cut the map in half... turtling isn't so good on Neo Medusa when they'll end up with 2x the resources you have and crush you | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:31 konadora wrote: That was.. idk. Unexpected. No it wasnt Absolutely no offense to ret. Any B team member is A+ level on iccup. Any non pro would be a huge underdog. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On June 19 2009 21:48 Fric wrote: ok,but i dont act to be a gamer, like someone else .. Oh you're french? Pretty sure you would've surrendered before the match began... zing... | ||
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foeffa
Belgium2115 Posts
On June 20 2009 04:48 SilverskY wrote: Hey ret, how come you haven't played or familiarized yourself with mech? It's so popular on a lot of the maps nowadays. You have to keep in mind that for starters, TvZ is only 1/3 of his matchups and mech-demanding maps are a subset of that still, so I think it's more of a return-on-investment-based decision to not invest much time in learning to mech when it 's only "obligatory" to use that on certain maps, and then not even in 2/3 of his matchups. After all as a strat mech is more than e.g. just mindlessly building some vults and tanks so it would take real effort to be as good with mech as he is awesome with bio-mech. Just my 2 cents. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
vs if.classic | ||
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