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dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 19:09:51
May 13 2010 19:09 GMT
#861
You guys all seem to be missing the key point, forget bonwja, we'll call it "Flash". Clearly if you take any old bonjwa back in the day (at his prime) and toss him in the ring against JD or Flash they will just get murdered. Obviously over time the average level of progaming is constantly increasing so the people pulling these streaks now a days is much more of a feat. You can't forget what the old schoolers did for the game but to blindly live in the past is not how you're supposed to set your mind, it should always be to look for the future with new inventive ways to play.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 19:15:12
May 13 2010 19:12 GMT
#862
On May 14 2010 03:49 Wings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 03:44 scintilliaSD wrote:
No, it's going to be a huge trial for him to get 2500. The higher your Elo is relative to the players you play against, the less Elo gain you win from winning a game and the more Elo you lose from losing a game. Consider Jaedong is second in Elo and is still over 100 points behind him, and Free is third in Elo and is over 200 points behind him. He doesn't get THAT much Elo from winning a game, but as soon as he loses one, his Elo drops by 10-20 points because of the difference.

I'm pretty sure 2500 is literally impossible
By that point in time, it would seem that even if he beats JD he'll barely get any ELO points. Probably, if he gets to 2475 or something, then at that point every win will probably be at max 1 or 2 points, with a loss being 15-20 points lol. But I guess... its physically possible... if he like 50-0's his opponents


To be honest, I thought 2450 was pretty impossible as well... it's like he had to play like a god and then some more...
25-2 since his loss vs midas i mean cmon... 1 loss tvz and 1 loss tvp since his last starleague finals, redicoulus, absolutely redicoulus.

Flash, you are redicoulus!
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Fumi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
529 Posts
May 13 2010 19:15 GMT
#863
I'm happy with God Young Ho myself. I kinda feel like people will bitch about the use of bonjwa forever, so either use that or come up with a new cute nickname.

About the ELO, yeah, I guess it's really impossible.
Flash, Stats, Reach, Tossgirl <> Boxer, Nestea, MC, Foxer fangirl | http://osu.ppy.sh/u/181432
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
May 13 2010 19:21 GMT
#864
over 2300 in all match ups now

oh man...
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
May 13 2010 19:36 GMT
#865
On May 14 2010 04:12 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 03:49 Wings wrote:
On May 14 2010 03:44 scintilliaSD wrote:
No, it's going to be a huge trial for him to get 2500. The higher your Elo is relative to the players you play against, the less Elo gain you win from winning a game and the more Elo you lose from losing a game. Consider Jaedong is second in Elo and is still over 100 points behind him, and Free is third in Elo and is over 200 points behind him. He doesn't get THAT much Elo from winning a game, but as soon as he loses one, his Elo drops by 10-20 points because of the difference.

I'm pretty sure 2500 is literally impossible
By that point in time, it would seem that even if he beats JD he'll barely get any ELO points. Probably, if he gets to 2475 or something, then at that point every win will probably be at max 1 or 2 points, with a loss being 15-20 points lol. But I guess... its physically possible... if he like 50-0's his opponents


To be honest, I thought 2450 was pretty impossible as well... it's like he had to play like a god and then some more...
25-2 since his loss vs midas i mean cmon... 1 loss tvz and 1 loss tvp since his last starleague finals, redicoulus, absolutely redicoulus.

Flash, you are redicoulus!

your spelling is ridiculous
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Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
May 13 2010 19:45 GMT
#866
One loss in TvP, and one loss in TvNal_rA xD
NoiR
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 19:53:37
May 13 2010 19:51 GMT
#867
The Bonjwa title is right around the corner. And with JD's ZvT not being too hot lately, it's seems like Flash could pull off winning both leagues. No matter what - the games will be epic beyond words. And Flash's ELO peak deserves to be printed out and framed. Bring it to the office gaze at it in wonder a couple of times a day.
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
pat777
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States356 Posts
May 13 2010 19:53 GMT
#868
On May 14 2010 03:16 samachking wrote:
Honestly as a Jaedong fan, I dont really care, Flash is the more dominant and more solid player overall and is worthy of being a super bonjwa.

However, I want Jaedong to be the GOAT, and the guy that is invincible in bo5s, and the most successful player ever, so he'll have to take down the monster in a bo5 again in the MSL finals. Does Jaedong have it in him? He always did, and he always stepped up when it came to the real series.

I'm sad JD's vP peak got broken though T_T, but thats mainly due to him not getting any ZvPs at all this season. He just needs to crush Flash in another bo5 to keep that vZ peak though.

Well, you have a point. Jaedong has a good record (think he always wins but just to be safe) against Flash in BO5. However, I am hopeful that Flash will step up this time and take the BO5 against Jaedong assuming Jaedong beats Calm. And there is a threat to Jaedong's vs Z peak. Flash 3-0s Effort and then 3-0s the MSL Finals. Although, this is very far from certain to happen, it is plausible.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 13 2010 20:10 GMT
#869
On May 14 2010 04:36 LosingID8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 04:12 StylishVODs wrote:
On May 14 2010 03:49 Wings wrote:
On May 14 2010 03:44 scintilliaSD wrote:
No, it's going to be a huge trial for him to get 2500. The higher your Elo is relative to the players you play against, the less Elo gain you win from winning a game and the more Elo you lose from losing a game. Consider Jaedong is second in Elo and is still over 100 points behind him, and Free is third in Elo and is over 200 points behind him. He doesn't get THAT much Elo from winning a game, but as soon as he loses one, his Elo drops by 10-20 points because of the difference.

I'm pretty sure 2500 is literally impossible
By that point in time, it would seem that even if he beats JD he'll barely get any ELO points. Probably, if he gets to 2475 or something, then at that point every win will probably be at max 1 or 2 points, with a loss being 15-20 points lol. But I guess... its physically possible... if he like 50-0's his opponents


To be honest, I thought 2450 was pretty impossible as well... it's like he had to play like a god and then some more...
25-2 since his loss vs midas i mean cmon... 1 loss tvz and 1 loss tvp since his last starleague finals, redicoulus, absolutely redicoulus.

Flash, you are redicoulus!

your spelling is ridiculous


I knew it stupid english words
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
May 13 2010 20:27 GMT
#870
On May 14 2010 05:10 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 04:36 LosingID8 wrote:
On May 14 2010 04:12 StylishVODs wrote:
On May 14 2010 03:49 Wings wrote:
On May 14 2010 03:44 scintilliaSD wrote:
No, it's going to be a huge trial for him to get 2500. The higher your Elo is relative to the players you play against, the less Elo gain you win from winning a game and the more Elo you lose from losing a game. Consider Jaedong is second in Elo and is still over 100 points behind him, and Free is third in Elo and is over 200 points behind him. He doesn't get THAT much Elo from winning a game, but as soon as he loses one, his Elo drops by 10-20 points because of the difference.

I'm pretty sure 2500 is literally impossible
By that point in time, it would seem that even if he beats JD he'll barely get any ELO points. Probably, if he gets to 2475 or something, then at that point every win will probably be at max 1 or 2 points, with a loss being 15-20 points lol. But I guess... its physically possible... if he like 50-0's his opponents


To be honest, I thought 2450 was pretty impossible as well... it's like he had to play like a god and then some more...
25-2 since his loss vs midas i mean cmon... 1 loss tvz and 1 loss tvp since his last starleague finals, redicoulus, absolutely redicoulus.

Flash, you are redicoulus!

your spelling is ridiculous

I knew it stupid english words

Not to worry. I do lans with a couple kids who spell it rediculas. And they're native speakers D:

Anyway talk about 2500 being difficult: well yeah. Earlier in the thread people were saying 2400 was not possible. Granted 2500 is that much harder, but I wouldn't put anything past him. Seeing what he did with Protoss, his erstwhile weaker matchup, I wouldn't be surprised if he could raise the other two like that. And everyone saw how demoralized or cowed Free was. He was partly intimidated into his losses. If Flash keeps going and building a mystique, I could see it like a snowball heading downhill gathering size, a vicious circle wherein everyone is afraid to play him and loses because of it and perpetuates everything.

Probably not (at least not the the level required for 2500) but who knows. Maybe I'll get to quote this one day.
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
May 13 2010 23:31 GMT
#871
I don't see Flash hitting 2500. Maybe he can reach 2450, but 2500 is pretty much impossible. There will be such a large ELO gap between him and the his opponents that he won't get more than a point or 2 per win and lose like 20 if he drops a game.
Although if he 3-0s both finals he might be quite close to 2500 due to JD still having a very high ELO. But in all honesty, can anyone imagine JD losing 0-3 ...
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
May 13 2010 23:36 GMT
#872
If Flash goes 3-0 in both finals and hits 2500 I will....I will.....fuck I don't know what I'll do but I'll do something!
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
May 13 2010 23:42 GMT
#873
every single time he loses I'm like there is no way he can get there again. That has happened like 5 times now each with an amazing new ELO peak. 72% is a beauty.
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
May 13 2010 23:57 GMT
#874
On May 14 2010 08:36 KristianJS wrote:
If Flash goes 3-0 in both finals and hits 2500 I will....I will.....fuck I don't know what I'll do but I'll do something!

yeah I agree, that would be unreal. It would almost be good for sc that sc2 is coming out since Flash would have beaten the game.
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
May 13 2010 23:58 GMT
#875
On May 14 2010 04:12 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 03:49 Wings wrote:
On May 14 2010 03:44 scintilliaSD wrote:
No, it's going to be a huge trial for him to get 2500. The higher your Elo is relative to the players you play against, the less Elo gain you win from winning a game and the more Elo you lose from losing a game. Consider Jaedong is second in Elo and is still over 100 points behind him, and Free is third in Elo and is over 200 points behind him. He doesn't get THAT much Elo from winning a game, but as soon as he loses one, his Elo drops by 10-20 points because of the difference.

I'm pretty sure 2500 is literally impossible
By that point in time, it would seem that even if he beats JD he'll barely get any ELO points. Probably, if he gets to 2475 or something, then at that point every win will probably be at max 1 or 2 points, with a loss being 15-20 points lol. But I guess... its physically possible... if he like 50-0's his opponents


To be honest, I thought 2450 was pretty impossible as well... it's like he had to play like a god and then some more...
25-2 since his loss vs midas i mean cmon... 1 loss tvz and 1 loss tvp since his last starleague finals, redicoulus, absolutely redicoulus.

Flash, you are redicoulus!

None of these are impossible. There just needs to be more new players so that the point pool increases.
JaedongMidasAction
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States70 Posts
May 14 2010 00:24 GMT
#876
Jaedong... Please be the first player to break 3000.... Please.
epi
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada115 Posts
May 14 2010 00:59 GMT
#877
You...just don't have any understanding of how elo works, do you?
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
May 14 2010 02:26 GMT
#878
Here's the thing, flash LOOKS unbeatable, so granted JD loses somehow to calm, I predict Flash will reach 2500 ELO with 3-0 in both MSL/OSL Finals (especially if effort beats Kal, his ZvT is horrendous, but that game vs fantasy was not bad)
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 02:36:42
May 14 2010 02:32 GMT
#879
Flash won't come close to 2500 even if he 3-0s both finals.

The best he can do is ~2470, if Jaedong and Kal win their semifinals and he 3-0s both. If Effort and/or Calm win, that number goes down since they're not rated as high as Kal & Jaedong.
I drop suckas like Plinko
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
May 14 2010 02:54 GMT
#880
What Jaedong did to ZvZ, Flash is doing to all the Terran matchups right now. He just doesn't lose (except to JD in the last MSL finals). That's the feeling you get when you watch a bonjwa play.

I remember myself and a friend discussing the last MSL finals the night before they happened, and we both independently came up with 70-30 odds in favor of Flash. But we didn't take into account the fact that JD is really good at bo5s, practices nonstop, and has countless build variations up his sleeves. Obviously we didn't foresee the power outage either, lol.

But Flash is just so dominant. Obviously, if anyone can beat Flash now, it's JD. No Terran or Protoss is going to dethrone Flash right now. The only weakness I can think of is 2hatch muta. 2hatch muta, properly executed, gives Flash a chance to make a micro mistake, and have that mistake snowball into a loss, because he chooses to play such greedy builds (in past games, he refused to get a 3rd rax to pump extra marines even after scouting the 2hatch mutas). But, with clever tactics, Jaedong's evo lurker build could do some damage too.

If he wins both leagues, he'll be cemented as the best player ever to play the game IMO. The question is, what next? Will he lose his motivation after reaching the top of the mountain, like others have before him?

This is a very exciting time. It would be so disappointing if JD somehow lost to Calm.
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