On April 29 2010 22:51 bugus wrote:
I'm guessing in each match there are 20 points to split between players. Against mvp it was

+2 if win
-18 if loss

Max would be -19 when losing, so I guess he was pretty close to the limit. I dont know how much you were expecting him to lose.

As far as I know, the Starcraft ELO system is modeled the same way as other elo systems (most famously in chess for instance). This means that there is no absolute cap, for instance I remember JD losing to some scrub around 2000 ELO and dropping a huge amount of points. Wikipedia goes into it pretty well here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

Cpadolf

Sweden1199 Posts

May 07 2010 16:41 GMT

#826

To put it in simple terms, your expected win rate against a certain player is calculated by a comparison between your ELO and your opponents ELO, and then the number of points you win or lose is decided by a predetermined K value. For example, if your ELO is 2400 and you play someone with an ELO of 2200, you are expected to win 76% of the time, and so if you do win you get K*0.24 points, and if you lose you lose K*0.76 points (and your opponent wins K*0.76 if he wins and loses K*0.24 if he loses)

The K value used on teamliquid is 20 (as far as I can tell from previous changes in score), so there isn't necessarily 20 points split between the two players, but it is the maximum you can win or lose, and it is also the highest possible change in difference between the ELO of two players after a game.

Fenrax

United States5018 Posts

May 13 2010 12:09 GMT

#827

Let's not forget that every new ELO peak after a loss is another milestone. He had to pull 11 straight wins, 9 of them in best of threes, to get to the 2443. Should he lose the next match, this might be the highest ELO ever that a player achieves.

One question regarding the ELO system: Is the K value higher for MSL or OSL KO rounds than for regular PL games?

integral

United States3156 Posts

May 13 2010 12:16 GMT

#828

Yes, he had to win 11 straight, and kid is ridiculous, and this might be the highest he ever reaches (if he wins both leagues I imagine he'll rest up a bit) -- but he only had to climb so high because he lost twice in short succession and MVP was so far below his ELO. I'm not sure but I don't think he would've lost nearly so many points vs Jaedong or Kal. If he wins each finals 3-1 I expect him to stay within striking distance of setting the bar even higher.

Scorch

Austria3371 Posts

May 13 2010 12:20 GMT

#829

+ Show Spoiler [Spoilers required in this thread?] +

Not only is Flash at an all-time high, he's also a cool 235 points ahead of ELO #3 (who he just 3-0'd). What a one man show today's Starcraft is. Two if you wanna count Jaedong.

bugus

Romania133 Posts

May 13 2010 12:46 GMT

#830

On May 13 2010 21:09 Fenrax wrote:
One question regarding the ELO system: Is the K value higher for MSL or OSL KO rounds than for regular PL games?

seems is always 20

okum

France5778 Posts

May 13 2010 12:53 GMT

#831

84% win rate since Proleague started in October, with 113 games played.

Distribution of winning streak lengths:

12: 1
11: 1
10: 1
7: 2
6: 4
5: 2
4: 1
3: 2
2: 1
1: 2

Wings

United States999 Posts

May 13 2010 12:55 GMT

#832

On May 13 2010 21:53 okum wrote:
84% win rate since Proleague started in October, with 113 games played.

Distribution of winning streak lengths:

12: 1
11: 1
10: 1
7: 2
6: 4
5: 2
4: 1
3: 2
2: 1
1: 2

i guess Flash doesn't like the numbers 8 & 9

GTR

51486 Posts

May 13 2010 13:12 GMT

#833

how long until flash gets 2500 elo -_-

tnud

Sweden2233 Posts

May 13 2010 13:16 GMT

#834

On May 13 2010 22:12 GTR wrote:
how long until flash gets 2500 elo -_-

Weeeelll, 4-0 in the upcoming PL matches then 3-0 Kal/Effort in the finals should do the trick..
~9 days ;-)
EDIT: wait... his ELO is too high for him to actually gain any points from that lol..

Fenrax

United States5018 Posts

May 13 2010 14:55 GMT

#835

Lol, not even close. He gains 3-4 points from beating #3 in the Elo Rank. That means 2-3 point for the average player. So he has to go ~ 20-0 from now on for reaching 2500.

BlueApex

63 Posts

May 13 2010 15:43 GMT

#836

On May 13 2010 23:55 Fenrax wrote:
So he has to go ~ 20-0 from now on for reaching 2500.

Easy for flash

Gann1

United States1575 Posts

May 13 2010 15:43 GMT

#837

2500 is probably out of the question, but I wouldn't be surprised if he reaches 2450. As long as he doesn't lose in proleague he should be able to do it in the OSL final, no matter who his opponent is.