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On April 04 2010 02:20 Crunchums wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2010 02:01 Jaksiel wrote:
Isn't the common reason ForGG's run gets discredited due to the maps, not the play of his opponents? not sure how map balance factors into beating flash in tvt certainly it helped him beat jaedong
Well, Flash just 14'cced each game... Flash just wasn't using his brain in that period of time...
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So, where does flash's elo reach now?
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On April 05 2010 15:46 dRaW wrote:
So, where does flash's elo reach now?
+ Show Spoiler +Just below Jaedong's vs P peak. After his win vs Kal in OSL he jumped past Bisu/Savior and is second all-time 
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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If JD would play as many ZvPs as Flash TvZs his ELO would be unreachable.
This is why ELO is flawed.
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Since his loss to Stork last OSL qualifiers (Essentially one full season since he's now past these qualifiers), Flash is 19-2 in TvP. Ridic.
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England2670 Posts
On April 15 2010 00:59 SuperArc wrote:
If JD would play as many ZvPs as Flash TvZs his ELO would be unreachable.
This is why ELO is flawed.
Jaedong
vP: 92-43 (68.15%)
Flash
vZ: 96-40 (70.59%)
I'm no expert, but those numbers seem pretty close.
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On April 15 2010 01:05 Flicky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2010 00:59 SuperArc wrote:
If JD would play as many ZvPs as Flash TvZs his ELO would be unreachable.
This is why ELO is flawed. JaedongvP: 92-43 (68.15%) FlashvZ: 96-40 (70.59%) I'm no expert, but those numbers seem pretty close.
Thanks for proving my point.
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On April 15 2010 01:24 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2010 01:05 Flicky wrote:On April 15 2010 00:59 SuperArc wrote:
If JD would play as many ZvPs as Flash TvZs his ELO would be unreachable.
This is why ELO is flawed. JaedongvP: 92-43 (68.15%) FlashvZ: 96-40 (70.59%) I'm no expert, but those numbers seem pretty close. Thanks for proving my point.
it disproved ur pt.
ELO is designed to disprove ur pt.
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On April 15 2010 01:28 Crt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2010 01:24 SuperArc wrote:On April 15 2010 01:05 Flicky wrote:On April 15 2010 00:59 SuperArc wrote:
If JD would play as many ZvPs as Flash TvZs his ELO would be unreachable.
This is why ELO is flawed. JaedongvP: 92-43 (68.15%) FlashvZ: 96-40 (70.59%) I'm no expert, but those numbers seem pretty close. Thanks for proving my point. it disproved ur pt. ELO is designed to disprove ur pt.
I guess you don't know that Jaedong debuted earlier than Flash?
For the slow ones this means JD should have played more games than Flash.
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On April 15 2010 01:24 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2010 01:05 Flicky wrote:On April 15 2010 00:59 SuperArc wrote:
If JD would play as many ZvPs as Flash TvZs his ELO would be unreachable.
This is why ELO is flawed. JaedongvP: 92-43 (68.15%) FlashvZ: 96-40 (70.59%) I'm no expert, but those numbers seem pretty close. Thanks for proving my point.
I will put it in simplier format: Flash played so far 136 TvZs, JD played 135 TvPs.
Yeah, I bet the one game would skyrocket Jaedong's Elo to unreachable highs.
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On April 15 2010 01:30 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2010 01:28 Crt wrote:On April 15 2010 01:24 SuperArc wrote:On April 15 2010 01:05 Flicky wrote:On April 15 2010 00:59 SuperArc wrote:
If JD would play as many ZvPs as Flash TvZs his ELO would be unreachable.
This is why ELO is flawed. JaedongvP: 92-43 (68.15%) FlashvZ: 96-40 (70.59%) I'm no expert, but those numbers seem pretty close. Thanks for proving my point. it disproved ur pt. ELO is designed to disprove ur pt. I guess you don't know that Jaedong debuted earlier than Flash? For the slow ones this means JD should have played more games than Flash.
On what basis do you believe that JD's ZvP Elo underrepresents his ZvP skill? Unless it does, playing more ZvP games would not alter his Elo and you have no point.
(More games =/= more Elo unless you're better than your ranking.)
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On April 15 2010 01:42 Djabanete wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2010 01:30 SuperArc wrote:On April 15 2010 01:28 Crt wrote:On April 15 2010 01:24 SuperArc wrote:On April 15 2010 01:05 Flicky wrote:On April 15 2010 00:59 SuperArc wrote:
If JD would play as many ZvPs as Flash TvZs his ELO would be unreachable.
This is why ELO is flawed. JaedongvP: 92-43 (68.15%) FlashvZ: 96-40 (70.59%) I'm no expert, but those numbers seem pretty close. Thanks for proving my point. it disproved ur pt. ELO is designed to disprove ur pt. I guess you don't know that Jaedong debuted earlier than Flash? For the slow ones this means JD should have played more games than Flash. On what basis do you believe that JD's ZvP Elo underrepresents his ZvP skill? Unless it does, playing more ZvP games would not alter his Elo and you have no point. (More games =/= more Elo unless you're better than your ranking.)
Because according to ELO Flash's TvT and TvZ are better than JD's ZvP. If you have watched both players' games you know that JD's ZvP is at least as dominant as Flash's best matchup if not more.
When was the last time JD got raped in a ZvP?
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On April 15 2010 01:49 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2010 01:42 Djabanete wrote:On April 15 2010 01:30 SuperArc wrote:On April 15 2010 01:28 Crt wrote:On April 15 2010 01:24 SuperArc wrote:On April 15 2010 01:05 Flicky wrote:On April 15 2010 00:59 SuperArc wrote:
If JD would play as many ZvPs as Flash TvZs his ELO would be unreachable.
This is why ELO is flawed. JaedongvP: 92-43 (68.15%) FlashvZ: 96-40 (70.59%) I'm no expert, but those numbers seem pretty close. Thanks for proving my point. it disproved ur pt. ELO is designed to disprove ur pt. I guess you don't know that Jaedong debuted earlier than Flash? For the slow ones this means JD should have played more games than Flash. On what basis do you believe that JD's ZvP Elo underrepresents his ZvP skill? Unless it does, playing more ZvP games would not alter his Elo and you have no point. (More games =/= more Elo unless you're better than your ranking.) Because according to ELO Flash's TvT and TvZ are better than JD's ZvP. If you have watched both players' games you know that JD's ZvP is at least as dominant as Flash's best matchup if not more. When was the last time JD got raped in a ZvP?
Its generally not a good idea to bring subjective arguments into an objective discussion. Kinda makes you look like you have no idea what you're talking about.
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On April 15 2010 01:49 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2010 01:42 Djabanete wrote:On April 15 2010 01:30 SuperArc wrote:On April 15 2010 01:28 Crt wrote:On April 15 2010 01:24 SuperArc wrote:On April 15 2010 01:05 Flicky wrote:On April 15 2010 00:59 SuperArc wrote:
If JD would play as many ZvPs as Flash TvZs his ELO would be unreachable.
This is why ELO is flawed. JaedongvP: 92-43 (68.15%) FlashvZ: 96-40 (70.59%) I'm no expert, but those numbers seem pretty close. Thanks for proving my point. it disproved ur pt. ELO is designed to disprove ur pt. I guess you don't know that Jaedong debuted earlier than Flash? For the slow ones this means JD should have played more games than Flash. On what basis do you believe that JD's ZvP Elo underrepresents his ZvP skill? Unless it does, playing more ZvP games would not alter his Elo and you have no point. (More games =/= more Elo unless you're better than your ranking.) Because according to ELO Flash's TvT and TvZ are better than JD's ZvP. If you have watched both players' games you know that JD's ZvP is at least as dominant as Flash's best matchup if not more. When was the last time JD got raped in a ZvP?
Maybe because almost all protoss players currently totally suck at PvZ? Actually they pretty much suck (elo wise at least) in general? No matter how hard can Jaedong rape every protoss which gets into his way, if their elo is pathetic, he won't be getting much points.
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On April 15 2010 01:49 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2010 01:42 Djabanete wrote:On April 15 2010 01:30 SuperArc wrote:On April 15 2010 01:28 Crt wrote:On April 15 2010 01:24 SuperArc wrote:On April 15 2010 01:05 Flicky wrote:On April 15 2010 00:59 SuperArc wrote:
If JD would play as many ZvPs as Flash TvZs his ELO would be unreachable.
This is why ELO is flawed. JaedongvP: 92-43 (68.15%) FlashvZ: 96-40 (70.59%) I'm no expert, but those numbers seem pretty close. Thanks for proving my point. it disproved ur pt. ELO is designed to disprove ur pt. I guess you don't know that Jaedong debuted earlier than Flash? For the slow ones this means JD should have played more games than Flash. On what basis do you believe that JD's ZvP Elo underrepresents his ZvP skill? Unless it does, playing more ZvP games would not alter his Elo and you have no point. (More games =/= more Elo unless you're better than your ranking.) Because according to ELO Flash's TvT and TvZ are better than JD's ZvP. If you have watched both players' games you know that JD's ZvP is at least as dominant as Flash's best matchup if not more. When was the last time JD got raped in a ZvP?
So you're saying you think Jaedong is better than Flash. Got it.
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On April 15 2010 02:18 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2010 01:49 SuperArc wrote:On April 15 2010 01:42 Djabanete wrote:On April 15 2010 01:30 SuperArc wrote:On April 15 2010 01:28 Crt wrote:On April 15 2010 01:24 SuperArc wrote:On April 15 2010 01:05 Flicky wrote:On April 15 2010 00:59 SuperArc wrote:
If JD would play as many ZvPs as Flash TvZs his ELO would be unreachable.
This is why ELO is flawed. JaedongvP: 92-43 (68.15%) FlashvZ: 96-40 (70.59%) I'm no expert, but those numbers seem pretty close. Thanks for proving my point. it disproved ur pt. ELO is designed to disprove ur pt. I guess you don't know that Jaedong debuted earlier than Flash? For the slow ones this means JD should have played more games than Flash. On what basis do you believe that JD's ZvP Elo underrepresents his ZvP skill? Unless it does, playing more ZvP games would not alter his Elo and you have no point. (More games =/= more Elo unless you're better than your ranking.) Because according to ELO Flash's TvT and TvZ are better than JD's ZvP. If you have watched both players' games you know that JD's ZvP is at least as dominant as Flash's best matchup if not more. When was the last time JD got raped in a ZvP? So you're saying you think Jaedong is better than Flash. Got it.
So you're saying you can't read. Got it.
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On April 15 2010 02:18 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2010 01:49 SuperArc wrote:On April 15 2010 01:42 Djabanete wrote:On April 15 2010 01:30 SuperArc wrote:On April 15 2010 01:28 Crt wrote:On April 15 2010 01:24 SuperArc wrote:On April 15 2010 01:05 Flicky wrote:On April 15 2010 00:59 SuperArc wrote:
If JD would play as many ZvPs as Flash TvZs his ELO would be unreachable.
This is why ELO is flawed. JaedongvP: 92-43 (68.15%) FlashvZ: 96-40 (70.59%) I'm no expert, but those numbers seem pretty close. Thanks for proving my point. it disproved ur pt. ELO is designed to disprove ur pt. I guess you don't know that Jaedong debuted earlier than Flash? For the slow ones this means JD should have played more games than Flash. On what basis do you believe that JD's ZvP Elo underrepresents his ZvP skill? Unless it does, playing more ZvP games would not alter his Elo and you have no point. (More games =/= more Elo unless you're better than your ranking.) Because according to ELO Flash's TvT and TvZ are better than JD's ZvP. If you have watched both players' games you know that JD's ZvP is at least as dominant as Flash's best matchup if not more. When was the last time JD got raped in a ZvP? So you're saying you think Jaedong is better than Flash. Got it.
Way to twist my words.
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On April 15 2010 02:26 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2010 02:18 J1.au wrote:On April 15 2010 01:49 SuperArc wrote:On April 15 2010 01:42 Djabanete wrote:On April 15 2010 01:30 SuperArc wrote:On April 15 2010 01:28 Crt wrote:On April 15 2010 01:24 SuperArc wrote:On April 15 2010 01:05 Flicky wrote:On April 15 2010 00:59 SuperArc wrote:
If JD would play as many ZvPs as Flash TvZs his ELO would be unreachable.
This is why ELO is flawed. JaedongvP: 92-43 (68.15%) FlashvZ: 96-40 (70.59%) I'm no expert, but those numbers seem pretty close. Thanks for proving my point. it disproved ur pt. ELO is designed to disprove ur pt. I guess you don't know that Jaedong debuted earlier than Flash? For the slow ones this means JD should have played more games than Flash. On what basis do you believe that JD's ZvP Elo underrepresents his ZvP skill? Unless it does, playing more ZvP games would not alter his Elo and you have no point. (More games =/= more Elo unless you're better than your ranking.) Because according to ELO Flash's TvT and TvZ are better than JD's ZvP. If you have watched both players' games you know that JD's ZvP is at least as dominant as Flash's best matchup if not more. When was the last time JD got raped in a ZvP? So you're saying you think Jaedong is better than Flash. Got it. Way to twist my words.
Flash TvT: 95 wins - 38 losses (71.43%) 2295 ELO
Flash TvZ: 114 wins - 48 losses (70.37%) 2310 ELO
Jaedong ZvP: 117 wins - 53 losses (68.82%) 2291 ELO
How else can I explain your POV? You don't make any sense.
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