EPTJaedong TvP: 117 wins - 53 losses (68.82%) 2291 ELO
I didn't know Jaedong played TvP
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e_i_pi_1_0
933 Posts
I didn't know Jaedong played TvP | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
Hahaha, 3:44 AM. Too much Terran in my brain. The point still stands however, Jaedong's ZvP is clearly not more dominant that Flash's TvT and TvZ. | ||
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Waximus
China6 Posts
Indeed, but I wonder how good he would be... | ||
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LucasWoJ
United States936 Posts
On April 15 2010 02:44 J1.au wrote: Hahaha, 3:44 AM. Too much Terran in my brain. The point still stands however, Jaedong's ZvP is clearly not more dominant that Flash's TvT and TvZ. Quoting lifetime percentages that somewhat omit the various evolutions in the matchup (brought up by both of these players) to prove "dominance," one way or the other, is the wrong way to do it. Over roughly the last six months: Since 10/01/10, Jaedong's ZvP is Record: 16 wins - 1 losses (94.12%) (20-2 (90%) including WCG) Flash's TvP since 10/01/10 is 20 wins - 4 losses (83.33%) Flash's TvT since 10/01/10 is Record: 19 wins - 4 losses (82.61%) You are still correct in saying that his ZvP is not clearly more dominant than Flash's TvZ or TvT. It is, however, more dominant than both (just not clearly). | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On April 15 2010 02:52 LucasWoJ wrote: Quoting lifetime percentages that somewhat omit the various evolutions in the matchup (brought up by both of these players) to prove "dominance," one way or the other, is the wrong way to do it. Over roughly the last six months: Since 10/01/10, Jaedong's ZvP is Record: 16 wins - 1 losses (94.12%) (20-2 (90%) including WCG) Flash's TvP since 10/01/10 is 20 wins - 4 losses (83.33%) Flash's TvT since 10/01/10 is Record: 19 wins - 4 losses (82.61%) You are still correct in saying that his ZvP is not clearly more dominant than Flash's TvZ or TvT. It is, however, more dominant than both (just not clearly). Flash's TvP since 1/1/10 is 18 wins - 2 losses (90.00%) Jaedong's ZvP since 1/1/10 is 9 wins - 1 losses (90.00%) Am I missing something? Seriously, where the hell did you get those numbers from!? Jaedong's ZvP is CLEARLY not more dominant. | ||
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BobbYt3hBobbY
256 Posts
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love1another
United States1844 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On April 15 2010 02:52 LucasWoJ wrote: Quoting lifetime percentages that somewhat omit the various evolutions in the matchup (brought up by both of these players) to prove "dominance," one way or the other, is the wrong way to do it. Over roughly the last six months: Since 10/01/10, Jaedong's ZvP is Record: 16 wins - 1 losses (94.12%) (20-2 (90%) including WCG) Flash's TvP since 10/01/10 is 20 wins - 4 losses (83.33%) Flash's TvT since 10/01/10 is Record: 19 wins - 4 losses (82.61%) You are still correct in saying that his ZvP is not clearly more dominant than Flash's TvZ or TvT. It is, however, more dominant than both (just not clearly). Right, but if you want to cherry pick times when players are better why not pick a longer time? Like say last year from early april for 8 more months? Why, Flash's TvT is 22-0! I'll bet you money Jaedong's ZvP won't be as close over 22 games or 8 months. Elo doesn't misrepresent anything. It has no real flaws aside from inflation and/or new players coming in (like how Flash got freebe points for beating an amateur in WCG). It's quite possible for Jaedong to surpass his current ZvP, but had he beaten Stork earlier he would have a higher ZvP. Had he, oh so long ago, not lost to Rock 3-0, his current ZvP Elo would probably be different. Elo doesn't pretend to quantify what a player is capable of in the future, but it quantifies how good a player is up to present until considered otherwise fairly well. Better than any other system I've seen, alteast. All that said, Flash has 3 matchups that are either the best or second best of all time (Best vT by far, second vZ of all time and best currently, second vP all time and second currently) to Jaedong, who has 2 that are best or second best of all time (vZ was best, is second. vP is best and best of all time). If someone supplants him then someone supplants him. Jaedong is excellent in his field but slightly less rounded than Flash, so who cares? Well, aside from slumps. | ||
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Rewera
Poland354 Posts
We have following picks: 1) A v A 2) MyRace v A 3) A v T 4) MyRace v T 5) A v Z 6) MyRace v Z 7) A v P 8) My Race v P Where "My Race v" anything is lesser and "A v" anything is better. There can be also category between but I don't want it to look like pumping statistics. Flash till now has: 1) A v A 2) MyRace v A 3) A v T 4) MyRace v T 5) A v Z 6) MyRace v Z 7) A v P 8) My Race v P and he is very close to A v Z and A v P which would make him complete ELO champion. I hope there will be some way to remove flaws from ELO so we could test if this is really positive for all times. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10346 Posts
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On April 15 2010 08:53 TwoToneTerran wrote: Right, but if you want to cherry pick times when players are better why not pick a longer time? Like say last year from early april for 8 more months? Why, Flash's TvT is 22-0! I'll bet you money Jaedong's ZvP won't be as close over 22 games or 8 months. Elo doesn't misrepresent anything. It has no real flaws aside from inflation and/or new players coming in (like how Flash got freebe points for beating an amateur in WCG). It's quite possible for Jaedong to surpass his current ZvP, but had he beaten Stork earlier he would have a higher ZvP. Had he, oh so long ago, not lost to Rock 3-0, his current ZvP Elo would probably be different. Elo doesn't pretend to quantify what a player is capable of in the future, but it quantifies how good a player is up to present until considered otherwise fairly well. Better than any other system I've seen, alteast. All that said, Flash has 3 matchups that are either the best or second best of all time (Best vT by far, second vZ of all time and best currently, second vP all time and second currently) to Jaedong, who has 2 that are best or second best of all time (vZ was best, is second. vP is best and best of all time). If someone supplants him then someone supplants him. Jaedong is excellent in his field but slightly less rounded than Flash, so who cares? Well, aside from slumps. because they are talking about dominance at present time, so if anything comparisons should be made from start of dominance, ie for flash last year from early april to now | ||
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TheTeamLiquidTiger
United States627 Posts
but by the looks of his condition, i don't think that's likely | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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gondolin
France332 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + With his win against baby, Flash is now on a 10 games winning streak making up for his 2 consecutive losses earlier and should set up a new ELO record yet again! | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
EDIT: Seriously though, this thread is bumped every time Flash gets close to his peak or sets a new one. One has only to glance at this thread's title to be spoiled. | ||
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borso
Hungary28 Posts
On January 04 2009 11:17 BanZu wrote: Anyone know how ELO is calculated? Like how much BiSu would get from beating Movie? yeah: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On April 23 2010 19:41 J1.au wrote:EDIT: Seriously though, this thread is bumped every time Flash gets close to his peak or sets a new one. One has only to glance at this thread's title to be spoiled. We just need to bump it every time Flash loses but when a win would have given him a new Elo peak. | ||
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~ava
Canada379 Posts
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Fx_
503 Posts
LOL | ||
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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
Kinda impossible to avoid the results | ||
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