i dont believe in the starcraft death.. only en dead players and dead fans...
sorry but you need fresh air pal.
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
i dont believe in the starcraft death.. only en dead players and dead fans... sorry but you need fresh air pal. | ||
Motiva
United States1774 Posts
sad but true? | ||
NastyMarine
United States1252 Posts
We make it what the scene [currently] is. Not WCG! We are the fans, they are a buisness - remember that. If you enjoy what you do, you'd see that. | ||
Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On November 19 2008 05:08 -_- wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2008 09:42 Xeris wrote: + Show Spoiler + I guess I will first explain my qualifications for talking about the death of Starcraft before delving into it. Actually, even before that I will clarift what I mean by "Starcraft". I am talking about foreign competitive Starcraft - it has been a long drawn out process, but the end is finally approaching I believe. People have been claiming "Starcraft is dying" for almost five years now (the SC is dying movement really started in 2004), but I will argue that Starcraft has remained quite vital for the past few years, even through a majority of this year but the decline has been rapid over the past three months or so, and I project that the shelf life for this game, at least in the foreign scene, is essentially a few more months at best, and then only for major events such as WCG (if we even have it next year). I have been heavily involved in the foreign scene since I started playing again in 2004 (took a few years break in 2001). I was never really that into the Korean scene, and when players such as Kingdom stopped making regular appearances in tournaments is essntially when I stopped following the pro scene altogether. I've been the leader of [LighT] for over three years now and have helped make it a pretty skilled foreign teams, and the best American team since 88 and rS in their hayday (I'm going to argue that Media wasn't vital long enough and didn't have enough team accomplishments to really put them up there). I consider myself to be one of the more immersed people when it comes to the foreign scene since I have been following it thoroughly and covering it by writing newses at GG.net and WGT.com for quite awhile. Around 2004 when the "Starcraft is dying" talks really started, and in the years since then that those talks have been growing, I have almost always argued contrary to that fact - Starcraft is not dying, it is as strong as ever! Indeed, especially after the announcement of Starcraft 2, it seemed as if this game went through a mini-revival, that now has died out, and without the fervor of SC2-excitement, the death of this game is really becoming evident. Starcraft isn't dying. You're just getting ready to move on. Most threads like this come from people who were really into Starcraft, but are finally seeing their tastes change. If you're not already stopping your 'heavy involvement,' I wager that you will within the year. Don't worry, you won't be gone for long, they almost never are. But it'll be different. Instead of taking the game seriously, you'll appreciate that others take the game seriously so you don't have to. See you on my side in a bit, Xeris. Starcraft will be waiting just like it always has been. Nah, I'm not going anywhere. | ||
No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
maybe in the beach?? starcraft its alive and stronger than ever. foreign community?? we are the foreign community!!! ICCUP, TL, GG.net, etc.... and im feel really good.. and you guys?? *the crowd scream* | ||
Archaic
United States4024 Posts
Nice read up, a bit expected during these times. I'm not really sure if SC2 revived SC a little or actually killed it more. It did bring back many old players hoping to get good before SC2 comes out, but it does also almost guarantee that most of not all of these players will switch to SC2. | ||
-_-
United States7081 Posts
On November 19 2008 07:37 Xeris wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2008 05:08 -_- wrote: On November 18 2008 09:42 Xeris wrote: + Show Spoiler + I guess I will first explain my qualifications for talking about the death of Starcraft before delving into it. Actually, even before that I will clarift what I mean by "Starcraft". I am talking about foreign competitive Starcraft - it has been a long drawn out process, but the end is finally approaching I believe. People have been claiming "Starcraft is dying" for almost five years now (the SC is dying movement really started in 2004), but I will argue that Starcraft has remained quite vital for the past few years, even through a majority of this year but the decline has been rapid over the past three months or so, and I project that the shelf life for this game, at least in the foreign scene, is essentially a few more months at best, and then only for major events such as WCG (if we even have it next year). I have been heavily involved in the foreign scene since I started playing again in 2004 (took a few years break in 2001). I was never really that into the Korean scene, and when players such as Kingdom stopped making regular appearances in tournaments is essntially when I stopped following the pro scene altogether. I've been the leader of [LighT] for over three years now and have helped make it a pretty skilled foreign teams, and the best American team since 88 and rS in their hayday (I'm going to argue that Media wasn't vital long enough and didn't have enough team accomplishments to really put them up there). I consider myself to be one of the more immersed people when it comes to the foreign scene since I have been following it thoroughly and covering it by writing newses at GG.net and WGT.com for quite awhile. Around 2004 when the "Starcraft is dying" talks really started, and in the years since then that those talks have been growing, I have almost always argued contrary to that fact - Starcraft is not dying, it is as strong as ever! Indeed, especially after the announcement of Starcraft 2, it seemed as if this game went through a mini-revival, that now has died out, and without the fervor of SC2-excitement, the death of this game is really becoming evident. Starcraft isn't dying. You're just getting ready to move on. Most threads like this come from people who were really into Starcraft, but are finally seeing their tastes change. If you're not already stopping your 'heavy involvement,' I wager that you will within the year. Don't worry, you won't be gone for long, they almost never are. But it'll be different. Instead of taking the game seriously, you'll appreciate that others take the game seriously so you don't have to. See you on my side in a bit, Xeris. Starcraft will be waiting just like it always has been. Nah, I'm not going anywhere. Then will you please write down your positions? Then I'll bump this thread in a year a laugh at you. | ||
Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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b3h47pte
United States1317 Posts
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Xeris
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nihil2501
United States142 Posts
On November 18 2008 10:12 Ki_Do wrote: i agree ... and it is something that makes me very very sad, one of my fears, sc foreign scene presented us to, idra,nony,draco, strelok, jianfei,leilei, elky ,grrr and the awesome mondragon, many of them do not play competitive anymore, and some moved to poker e-sport is sadly a thing that sponsors see a opportunity to catter money and it will happen till the esport dies completely, yes, with the automatization thing becoming much more agressive, in a matter of years the e-sport will have no sense anymore, considering the skill gap will decrease more and more and more... dunno when it will die, but when this day finally comes, im gonna drop a tear for sure, cause a lot of good things happened like if i could remember it was yesterday and i will feel that they have passed. And if someday BW die in Skorea, that will be the day i know im not playing games anymore but that is another story exit music (for a film) would have been a much better choice | ||
stalife
Canada1222 Posts
For some time, gg.net and wgtour has really cut down on the coverages...I personally don't feel the urge to visit these sites anymore cuz well, there's nothing new! I hope for some kind of "revival" with lots of foreign scene activities. TSL was great, the thing that artosis and skew did (not sure what the name was...tot moment..) was also very great (I showed it to some of my friends and students I teach, and they were all amazed by it. go sc :D and sc2 | ||
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
On November 19 2008 11:32 stalife wrote: I agree with whoever said that there's been overall lack of coverage of the foreign scene. One common thing that websites like fomos.kr or the mentioned CS1.6 sites are the constant flow of news coverage, ranging from interviews, battle reports, results of games (or clan leagues), or even articles remembering previous events on that day (I kinda like how fomos has those "time capsule articles about what interesting event has happened on that day few years back, brings back memories :D) For some time, gg.net and wgtour has really cut down on the coverages...I personally don't feel the urge to visit these sites anymore cuz well, there's nothing new! I hope for some kind of "revival" with lots of foreign scene activities. TSL was great, the thing that artosis and skew did (not sure what the name was...tot moment..) was also very great (I showed it to some of my friends and students I teach, and they were all amazed by it. go sc :D and sc2 They did Ascension. .....And never got to finish it. :< | ||
Zeller
United States1109 Posts
On November 19 2008 11:32 stalife wrote: I agree with whoever said that there's been overall lack of coverage of the foreign scene. One common thing that websites like fomos.kr or the mentioned CS1.6 sites are the constant flow of news coverage, ranging from interviews, battle reports, results of games (or clan leagues), or even articles remembering previous events on that day (I kinda like how fomos has those "time capsule articles about what interesting event has happened on that day few years back, brings back memories :D) For some time, gg.net and wgtour has really cut down on the coverages...I personally don't feel the urge to visit these sites anymore cuz well, there's nothing new! I hope for some kind of "revival" with lots of foreign scene activities. TSL was great, the thing that artosis and skew did (not sure what the name was...tot moment..) was also very great (I showed it to some of my friends and students I teach, and they were all amazed by it. go sc :D and sc2 True words there. Wgtour barely updates their news, and GG.net has been REALLY slow in putting out news. I mean their shit is good , but the same shit is up there for a lot longer then it used to. I remember a few years back if I didn't check it for a few days I had to scroll all the way down to catch everything I missed. It's definitely not as active as it used to be. | ||
stalife
Canada1222 Posts
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R3condite
Korea (South)1541 Posts
once korea becomes more recognized among the foreign population progamming i believe will start to pick up again... well it's just culturally i think all those krn kids forced into studying needed some kind of gap they go break through and i think sc w/ progamming was just taht and as good krns they saw money in it and it turned into a pro scene u now see today i feel like this could never be 100% achieved in others places because of the cultural difference... just like how korea plays basketball but it's not as wide as american basketball... so even if it does become an institution it won't grow like that way you see it grow in korea. | ||
ilistis
United States828 Posts
On November 19 2008 12:34 R3condite wrote: foreign sc may have died.... but it lives on in korea... once korea becomes more recognized among the foreign population progamming i believe will start to pick up again... well it's just culturally i think all those krn kids forced into studying needed some kind of gap they go break through and i think sc w/ progamming was just taht and as good krns they saw money in it and it turned into a pro scene u now see today i feel like this could never be 100% achieved in others places because of the cultural difference... just like how korea plays basketball but it's not as wide as american basketball... so even if it does become an institution it won't grow like that way you see it grow in korea. Ironic isn't it? | ||
rei
United States3594 Posts
Base on this reasoning, There are two ways in which to prevent starcraft from dying. 1) get those older player huge amount of money that they can't refuse to continue playing so we keep our existing player population.(not happening) 2) A lot of Advertisement for starcraft tournments on USA national TV, So starcraft can be viewed as the elite of the elite competitive esport event in the world, it will get new people interested in starcraft. Which also require some billionaire who loves the game enough to intentionally lose few hundred million dollars to keep the game alive. (ELkY????) My view on this matter is that as long as we still have a community the game is alive, and guess what, this same community is going to be playing starcraft2, and starcraft2 will attract so many new people. If this community have some influence over these new people the community will grow. And maybe blizzard will act upon this opportunity and create media attention by televising starcraft2 on national TV, and we will have what we all wanted, progamming becoming mainstream of entertainment. That's just my wishful thinking, but all joking aside I have great hope for SC2. PS. I used to play world of warcraft with the team leader of light, i wonder if OP is in fact the person i used to play wow with ^^ | ||
Scorpion
United States1974 Posts
The beginning is so fucking awesome XD | ||
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