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[PL] Lineups - Week 6, 08-09 Round 1

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pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-20 11:35:28
November 13 2008 07:33 GMT
#1
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The second last week of the round is among us (After this first round, each team will have played 11 matches and at least once against every other team). Some teams have developed regular lineups - Lecaf, Samsung, MBCGame HERO, while others are still looking for perfection. Which is stronger? Who will be on top after the week's end?

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Saturday 15/11 - 14:00

STX SouL vs Lecaf Oz

Game 1: (P)Kal < Destination > (P)BackHo
Game 2: (Z)Calm < Harmony > (T)fOrGG
Game 3: (P)SoO < Neo Requiem > (Z)Jaedong
Game 4: (T)Hwasin < Medusa > (T)Lomo
Closer: < Andromeda >

Air Force ACE vs Samsung KHAN

Game 1: (T)Sunny < Medusa > (P)Stork
Game 2: (Z)OversKy < Colosseum II > (T)FrOzean
Game 3: (Z)MuMyung < Harmony > (Z)Juni
Game 4: (P)DaezanG < Destination > (T)firebathero
Closer: < Chupung-Ryeong >


Sunday 16/11 - 14:00

MBCGame HERO vs eSTRO

Game 1: (P)Pusan < Colosseum II > (Z)hyvaa
Game 2: (T)RuBy < Harmony > (P)Tester
Game 3: (Z)Saint < RaiD Assault 2 > (T)UpMagiC
Game 4: (T)Light < Chupung-Ryeong > (T)Sea.Really
Closer: < Destination >

CJ Entus vs WeMade FOX

Game 1: (P)By.Movie < Destination > (T)Mind
Game 2: (T)Iris < Harmony > (Z)Shine[Kal]
Game 3: (Z)Kwanro < Neo Requiem > (Z)RorO
Game 4: (Z)EffOrt < Medusa > (P)HerO
Closer: < Andromeda >


Monday 17/11 - 18:30

OnGameNet SPARKYZ vs KTF MagicNs

Game 1: (Z)YellOw[ArnC] < Medusa > (T)SaiR
Game 2: (T)Leta < Chupung-Ryeong > (P)Tempest
Game 3: (P)Spear < Neo Requiem > (Z)Luxury
Game 4: (T)Shine < Harmony > (T)Flash
Closer: < Andromeda >

SK Telecom T1 vs WoongJin Stars

Game 1: (P)Bisu < Medusa > (P)free
Game 2: (P)BeSt < Colosseum II > (T)PianO
Game 3: (T)iloveoov < RaiD Assault 2 > (Z)ZerO
Game 4: (Z)s2 < Destination > (Z)GGPlay
Closer: < Chupung-Ryeong >


Tuesday 18/11 18:30

STX SouL vs Samsung KHAN

Game 1: (Z)Calm < Andromeda > (P)Stork
Game 2: (P)Kal < Destination > (T)firebathero
Game 3: (Z)Modesty[GsP] < RaiD Assault 2 > (Z)by.great
Game 4: (T)Hwasin < Harmony > (P)JangBi
Closer: < Medusa >

Air Force ACE vs Lecaf Oz

Game 1: (T)Sunny < Harmony > (Z)Jaedong
Game 2: (P)DaezanG < Chupung-Ryeong > (T)Lomo
Game 3: (T)BoxeR < Neo Requiem > (P)BackHo
Game 4: (Z)OversKy < Colosseum II > (T)HiyA
Closer: < Medusa >


Wednesday 19/11 - 14:00

MBCGame HERO vs WeMade FOX

Game 1: (Z)Saint < Medusa > (P)HerO
Game 2: (P)Jaehoon < Destination > (T)Mind
Game 3: (T)Light < Neo Requiem > (Z)RorO
Game 4: (P)Pusan < Colosseum II > (T)BaBy
Closer: < Chupung-Ryeong >

CJ Entus vs eSTRO

Game 1: (T)DarkElf < Chupung-Ryeong > (T)Sea.Really
Game 2: (Z)Kwanro < Andromeda > (Z)hyvaa
Game 3: (Z)sAviOr < RaiD Assault 2 > (T)UpMagiC
Game 4: (P)By.Movie < Destination > (P)SangHo
Closer: < Harmony >

Source: Fomos.kr
Moderatorpachi fanclub http://goto.tl/6DI9 。◕‿◕。
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10811 Posts
November 13 2008 07:40 GMT
#2
uh... hard times for stx?
Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
November 13 2008 07:40 GMT
#3
Sweet Iloveoov is playing :D
and so is Boxer :D
Iloveoov & Boxer Fighting!
Roxen000
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
1226 Posts
November 13 2008 07:46 GMT
#4
Man, I'm looking forward to seeing how oov will do.
._.
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
November 13 2008 07:51 GMT
#5
haha @ Bisu vs free.

also Sunny gets 2 unlucky rapes in a row t.t.
sAviOr...
ii.blitzkrieg
Profile Joined November 2006
Canada1122 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-13 07:53:30
November 13 2008 07:51 GMT
#6
HOLY SHIT ILOVEOOV

.... YESSS

savior vs up on ra2 should be interesting

edit: ty again pachi!
iloveoov / Flash / Fantasy / Midas / Boxer -BW forever
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
November 13 2008 08:03 GMT
#7
lol @ bisu vs free
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
puckadapa
Profile Joined November 2008
Marshall Islands5 Posts
November 13 2008 08:16 GMT
#8
Oh man! oov playing! Sweet.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
November 13 2008 08:19 GMT
#9
Movie x 2!
Moderator<:3-/-<
MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
November 13 2008 08:28 GMT
#10
gonna see kwanro own some noobs k thx
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
November 13 2008 08:30 GMT
#11
Man, T1 is really pulling out all the stops. On a team that only needs to send one terran out per match(since they can send two protosses) and has Canata, Fantasy, and Midas... they have Oov playing? That just seems unreal. Either Oov is now really good, or he has absolutely no confidence in his terrans.

Meh
Paddington
Profile Joined May 2008
Australia254 Posts
November 13 2008 09:00 GMT
#12
oh my god, these proleague line ups are so sick. Oov FTMFW!
"A friend of mine walks around the city counting Asian male/white female couples, which he gives +10 score, and white male/Asian female couples, which he gives -1 score. At the end of the day, the score is always negative. It makes him sad"
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-13 09:28:25
November 13 2008 09:06 GMT
#13
iloveoov showing them how it's done.

edit: I have taken the liberty of reinstating him to T1's active roster on TLPD.
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10811 Posts
November 13 2008 09:17 GMT
#14
... did not even notice this until now... sick :D...

waiting vor possible oov/boxer/nada/july/xellos-games :D...

Get da oldschool going.


All we need now to get things back to the good times is return of the Mantoss and real Yellow :p.
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
November 13 2008 09:21 GMT
#15
Game 3: (T)iloveoov < RaiD Assault 2 > (Z)ZerO
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
November 13 2008 09:27 GMT
#16
tnx pachi, ovv cheater he knew he was playing a Z before hand. Well i guess is a good strategy for starts to focus on a particular mu. And i guess those games on blue are the most interesting ones no? calm vs forgg deserves some attention too.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
darkemperor
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Turkey725 Posts
November 13 2008 09:29 GMT
#17
OMG iloveoov

Can't wait to watch , I wonder if he will cheat
#1 Kim Taek Yong Fan <3 || Legend of the Fall // Fall of the Legend
PePe QuiCoSE
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Argentina1204 Posts
November 13 2008 12:34 GMT
#18
On November 13 2008 17:30 baubo wrote:
Man, T1 is really pulling out all the stops. On a team that only needs to send one terran out per match(since they can send two protosses) and has Canata, Fantasy, and Midas... they have Oov playing? That just seems unreal. Either Oov is now really good, or he has absolutely no confidence in his terrans.
I think it can be seen as unethical having the coach playing on proleague... :-/
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
November 13 2008 12:36 GMT
#19
HOLY FUCK ILOVEOOV
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
November 13 2008 13:06 GMT
#20
OMFG
OOV
ARE
YOU
SERIOUS
I ALMOST JUST STOOD IN THE MIDDLE OF MY HOUSE AND YELLED OOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVV
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 13 2008 13:18 GMT
#21
OOVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVvvv
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-13 13:54:05
November 13 2008 13:31 GMT
#22
I'm a little bit tentative about this oov comeback. If their problems were their Terrans instead of their Zergs, then it would be fine, but it just seems like oov is more likely to cut into the playing time of superior players (nowadays anyway) on their team like Midas and Fantasy.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-13 14:22:46
November 13 2008 14:05 GMT
#23
I LOVE YOU OOV

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YEAH YOU!
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
November 13 2008 14:42 GMT
#24
how am i supposed to cheer for oov if he's playing zero T.T

OMG YEAH OOV MACRO THAT SHIT UP
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2919 Posts
November 13 2008 14:46 GMT
#25
Game 3: (T)iloveoov < RaiD Assault 2 > (Z)ZerO

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-13 14:49:45
November 13 2008 14:49 GMT
#26
Finally, Lecaf is playing Lomo instead of Hiya

On November 13 2008 23:42 Realpenguin wrote:
how am i supposed to cheer for oov if he's playing zero T.T

OMG YEAH OOV MACRO THAT SHIT UP


looool
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7229 Posts
November 13 2008 14:53 GMT
#27
Oov in the lineup is great to see
日本語が分かりますか
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
November 13 2008 15:05 GMT
#28
SKT1's line up must be as thin as floss for iloveOov to get in on 2 weeks of practice.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
riptide
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
5673 Posts
November 13 2008 15:10 GMT
#29
On November 14 2008 00:05 thunk wrote:
SKT1's line up must be as thin as floss for iloveOov to get in on 2 weeks of practice.


oov eats practice
AdministratorSKT T1 | Masters of the Universe
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7221 Posts
November 13 2008 16:47 GMT
#30
this looks like a really fun week for PL =]
Entusman #12
imDerek
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1944 Posts
November 13 2008 17:02 GMT
#31
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
Least favorite progamers: Leta, Zero, Mind, Shine, free, really <-- newly added
LonelyMargarita
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
1845 Posts
November 13 2008 17:25 GMT
#32
On November 13 2008 18:17 Velr wrote:
... did not even notice this until now... sick :D...

waiting vor possible oov/boxer/nada/july/xellos-games :D...

Get da oldschool going.


All we need now to get things back to the good times is return of the Mantoss and real Yellow :p.


This is why I hate the new rule this season. Since you need to send 1 of each race in the first 4 matches, the old schoolers (who are not at the top of the team) basically never get to play. Take CJ. Strong zerg team, mid-range terran, slumping toss at the moment. They HAVE to send Much or Movie for a game, which is likely a loss, plus they can only send 2 of their zergs, so they have to hope for the terran to win. That means they really have no choice but their top terran every time, Iris. If they could send 2 zergs and 2 terrans or 3 zergs and a terran, they could obviously risk sending XellOs, assuming the other 3 would get the win. But with the new rule, they will send sAviOr, EffOrt, Iris, and Much/Movie basically every time, unless someone is training for individual leagues (e.g. no sAviOr on Saturday).

It also tends to lend itself to more of the same matchups on each specific map. Each night usually ends up 3/4 to 4/4 mirrors, or no mirrors. Whereas under the old system you could risk sending out another terran on a usually non-terran map to snipe a zerg or toss, you cannot take that terran away from one of the terran maps. If there are no mirrors, it will be the same matchups, like Raid Assault: ZvZ on mirror night, TvZ on non-mirror night. Maps always did tend to have a couple match-ups most of the time, but now there is even more incentive to only send a certain race or matchup to each map.
I <3 서지훈
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
November 13 2008 17:50 GMT
#33
On November 14 2008 02:25 LonelyMargarita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2008 18:17 Velr wrote:
... did not even notice this until now... sick :D...

waiting vor possible oov/boxer/nada/july/xellos-games :D...

Get da oldschool going.


All we need now to get things back to the good times is return of the Mantoss and real Yellow :p.


This is why I hate the new rule this season. Since you need to send 1 of each race in the first 4 matches, the old schoolers (who are not at the top of the team) basically never get to play. Take CJ. Strong zerg team, mid-range terran, slumping toss at the moment. They HAVE to send Much or Movie for a game, which is likely a loss, plus they can only send 2 of their zergs, so they have to hope for the terran to win. That means they really have no choice but their top terran every time, Iris. If they could send 2 zergs and 2 terrans or 3 zergs and a terran, they could obviously risk sending XellOs, assuming the other 3 would get the win. But with the new rule, they will send sAviOr, EffOrt, Iris, and Much/Movie basically every time, unless someone is training for individual leagues (e.g. no sAviOr on Saturday).


Sorry, but as a CJ fan you cannot blame the new rules on your team's problems. If anything, CJ has a fairly balanced team with Much, Iris, and Memory to support its zergs.

The rules hurt all teams. KTF has to send out lame tosses like Lucifer and Tempest. Lecaf the same with the amazing Backho. Sparkyz has freaking Chalrenge. And you think CJ has it tough with Much!? Samsung also has to deal with absolutely fresh nobodies to put for its zegs. You think anyone has heard of by.great or juni before?
Meh
LonelyMargarita
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
1845 Posts
November 13 2008 17:52 GMT
#34
On November 14 2008 02:50 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2008 02:25 LonelyMargarita wrote:
On November 13 2008 18:17 Velr wrote:
... did not even notice this until now... sick :D...

waiting vor possible oov/boxer/nada/july/xellos-games :D...

Get da oldschool going.


All we need now to get things back to the good times is return of the Mantoss and real Yellow :p.


This is why I hate the new rule this season. Since you need to send 1 of each race in the first 4 matches, the old schoolers (who are not at the top of the team) basically never get to play. Take CJ. Strong zerg team, mid-range terran, slumping toss at the moment. They HAVE to send Much or Movie for a game, which is likely a loss, plus they can only send 2 of their zergs, so they have to hope for the terran to win. That means they really have no choice but their top terran every time, Iris. If they could send 2 zergs and 2 terrans or 3 zergs and a terran, they could obviously risk sending XellOs, assuming the other 3 would get the win. But with the new rule, they will send sAviOr, EffOrt, Iris, and Much/Movie basically every time, unless someone is training for individual leagues (e.g. no sAviOr on Saturday).


Sorry, but as a CJ fan you cannot blame the new rules on your team's problems. If anything, CJ has a fairly balanced team with Much, Iris, and Memory to support its zergs.


Please read my post. I never said anything about it hurting my team. I made 2 points, and that was neither one of them.
I <3 서지훈
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
November 13 2008 17:54 GMT
#35
as a CJ fan i'm really looking forward to seeing what movie can do. CJ needs a new protoss fast - grandpatoss has really been showing his age lately.
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
November 13 2008 17:58 GMT
#36
On November 14 2008 02:50 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2008 02:25 LonelyMargarita wrote:
On November 13 2008 18:17 Velr wrote:
... did not even notice this until now... sick :D...

waiting vor possible oov/boxer/nada/july/xellos-games :D...

Get da oldschool going.


All we need now to get things back to the good times is return of the Mantoss and real Yellow :p.


This is why I hate the new rule this season. Since you need to send 1 of each race in the first 4 matches, the old schoolers (who are not at the top of the team) basically never get to play. Take CJ. Strong zerg team, mid-range terran, slumping toss at the moment. They HAVE to send Much or Movie for a game, which is likely a loss, plus they can only send 2 of their zergs, so they have to hope for the terran to win. That means they really have no choice but their top terran every time, Iris. If they could send 2 zergs and 2 terrans or 3 zergs and a terran, they could obviously risk sending XellOs, assuming the other 3 would get the win. But with the new rule, they will send sAviOr, EffOrt, Iris, and Much/Movie basically every time, unless someone is training for individual leagues (e.g. no sAviOr on Saturday).


Sorry, but as a CJ fan you cannot blame the new rules on your team's problems. If anything, CJ has a fairly balanced team with Much, Iris, and Memory to support its zergs.

The rules hurt all teams. KTF has to send out lame tosses like Lucifer and Tempest. Lecaf the same with the amazing Backho. Sparkyz has freaking Chalrenge. And you think CJ has it tough with Much!? Samsung also has to deal with absolutely fresh nobodies to put for its zegs. You think anyone has heard of by.great or juni before?


by.great is destroying shit this season...top 10 record in PL. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the team most screwed by the new rules has been SK T1, simply because they lack any good Zergs or Terrans all of a sudden. Canata can't win, Midas just totally fell of the map after getting destroyed by BeSt in the OSL...that leaves us with oov. The Zergs, well, I don't even have to go into that.

OK, let's do some stat searching:

(P)BeSt 8-3 (2nd in PL)
(P)Bisu 4-0 (8th in PL)

(T)by.fantasy 5-4 (OK he's not total garbage)

Rest of the team: 1-17 HOLY WTF
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SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
November 13 2008 18:01 GMT
#37
Holy shit oov, this is gonna be epic. I always wondered why they don't play BoxeR more in the PL, it seems that every time they have a match, BoxeR is not in the line up, I've only seen him play like twice this PL season.
Graphics
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
November 13 2008 18:03 GMT
#38
On November 14 2008 02:52 LonelyMargarita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2008 02:50 baubo wrote:
On November 14 2008 02:25 LonelyMargarita wrote:
On November 13 2008 18:17 Velr wrote:
... did not even notice this until now... sick :D...

waiting vor possible oov/boxer/nada/july/xellos-games :D...

Get da oldschool going.


All we need now to get things back to the good times is return of the Mantoss and real Yellow :p.


This is why I hate the new rule this season. Since you need to send 1 of each race in the first 4 matches, the old schoolers (who are not at the top of the team) basically never get to play. Take CJ. Strong zerg team, mid-range terran, slumping toss at the moment. They HAVE to send Much or Movie for a game, which is likely a loss, plus they can only send 2 of their zergs, so they have to hope for the terran to win. That means they really have no choice but their top terran every time, Iris. If they could send 2 zergs and 2 terrans or 3 zergs and a terran, they could obviously risk sending XellOs, assuming the other 3 would get the win. But with the new rule, they will send sAviOr, EffOrt, Iris, and Much/Movie basically every time, unless someone is training for individual leagues (e.g. no sAviOr on Saturday).


Sorry, but as a CJ fan you cannot blame the new rules on your team's problems. If anything, CJ has a fairly balanced team with Much, Iris, and Memory to support its zergs.


Please read my post. I never said anything about it hurting my team. I made 2 points, and that was neither one of them.


I don't see much of what you're saying. For the first point, the number of new players are rising, not lowering, because teams are forced to use players of their weakest race(some of which I mentioned). For the second point, maps causing mirror matchups is not a new thing this year. Not unless you haven't seen enough of TvTs maps like wuthering heights last season.
Meh
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
November 13 2008 18:04 GMT
#39
On November 14 2008 02:58 jwd241224 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2008 02:50 baubo wrote:
On November 14 2008 02:25 LonelyMargarita wrote:
On November 13 2008 18:17 Velr wrote:
... did not even notice this until now... sick :D...

waiting vor possible oov/boxer/nada/july/xellos-games :D...

Get da oldschool going.


All we need now to get things back to the good times is return of the Mantoss and real Yellow :p.


This is why I hate the new rule this season. Since you need to send 1 of each race in the first 4 matches, the old schoolers (who are not at the top of the team) basically never get to play. Take CJ. Strong zerg team, mid-range terran, slumping toss at the moment. They HAVE to send Much or Movie for a game, which is likely a loss, plus they can only send 2 of their zergs, so they have to hope for the terran to win. That means they really have no choice but their top terran every time, Iris. If they could send 2 zergs and 2 terrans or 3 zergs and a terran, they could obviously risk sending XellOs, assuming the other 3 would get the win. But with the new rule, they will send sAviOr, EffOrt, Iris, and Much/Movie basically every time, unless someone is training for individual leagues (e.g. no sAviOr on Saturday).


Sorry, but as a CJ fan you cannot blame the new rules on your team's problems. If anything, CJ has a fairly balanced team with Much, Iris, and Memory to support its zergs.

The rules hurt all teams. KTF has to send out lame tosses like Lucifer and Tempest. Lecaf the same with the amazing Backho. Sparkyz has freaking Chalrenge. And you think CJ has it tough with Much!? Samsung also has to deal with absolutely fresh nobodies to put for its zegs. You think anyone has heard of by.great or juni before?


by.great is destroying shit this season...top 10 record in PL. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the team most screwed by the new rules has been SK T1, simply because they lack any good Zergs or Terrans all of a sudden. Canata can't win, Midas just totally fell of the map after getting destroyed by BeSt in the OSL...that leaves us with oov. The Zergs, well, I don't even have to go into that.

OK, let's do some stat searching:

(P)BeSt 8-3 (2nd in PL)
(P)Bisu 4-0 (8th in PL)

(T)by.fantasy 5-4 (OK he's not total garbage)

Rest of the team: 1-17 HOLY WTF


If you're saying that SKT is being hurt the most by the new rules, you're not going out on a limb at all.

Anyway, I just wanted to point out something. Lecaf, despite having a really good set of 4 or 5 top players (at least relative to other teams, try finding somebody better than BackHo that's forced to play every day), have nobody else. All of their other Zerg (other than JD) and Protoss players are unbearably horrible.
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
November 13 2008 18:05 GMT
#40
On November 14 2008 02:50 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2008 02:25 LonelyMargarita wrote:
On November 13 2008 18:17 Velr wrote:
... did not even notice this until now... sick :D...

waiting vor possible oov/boxer/nada/july/xellos-games :D...

Get da oldschool going.


All we need now to get things back to the good times is return of the Mantoss and real Yellow :p.


This is why I hate the new rule this season. Since you need to send 1 of each race in the first 4 matches, the old schoolers (who are not at the top of the team) basically never get to play. Take CJ. Strong zerg team, mid-range terran, slumping toss at the moment. They HAVE to send Much or Movie for a game, which is likely a loss, plus they can only send 2 of their zergs, so they have to hope for the terran to win. That means they really have no choice but their top terran every time, Iris. If they could send 2 zergs and 2 terrans or 3 zergs and a terran, they could obviously risk sending XellOs, assuming the other 3 would get the win. But with the new rule, they will send sAviOr, EffOrt, Iris, and Much/Movie basically every time, unless someone is training for individual leagues (e.g. no sAviOr on Saturday).


Sorry, but as a CJ fan you cannot blame the new rules on your team's problems. If anything, CJ has a fairly balanced team with Much, Iris, and Memory to support its zergs.

The rules hurt all teams. KTF has to send out lame tosses like Lucifer and Tempest. Lecaf the same with the amazing Backho. Sparkyz has freaking Chalrenge. And you think CJ has it tough with Much!? Samsung also has to deal with absolutely fresh nobodies to put for its zegs. You think anyone has heard of by.great or juni before?
by.great is REALLY fuckin good
but ya the rule hurts alot of teams and doesnt really change much in terms of match quality. the "cant send same race on a map 2 matches in a row" rule would have been way way way better to implement imo.
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Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
November 13 2008 18:09 GMT
#41
peak elo incoming from oov. Hold on to your hats.
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IPS.ZeRo
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany1142 Posts
November 13 2008 18:13 GMT
#42
On November 14 2008 02:25 LonelyMargarita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2008 18:17 Velr wrote:
... did not even notice this until now... sick :D...

waiting vor possible oov/boxer/nada/july/xellos-games :D...

Get da oldschool going.


All we need now to get things back to the good times is return of the Mantoss and real Yellow :p.


This is why I hate the new rule this season. Since you need to send 1 of each race in the first 4 matches, the old schoolers (who are not at the top of the team) basically never get to play. Take CJ. Strong zerg team, mid-range terran, slumping toss at the moment. They HAVE to send Much or Movie for a game, which is likely a loss, plus they can only send 2 of their zergs, so they have to hope for the terran to win. That means they really have no choice but their top terran every time, Iris. If they could send 2 zergs and 2 terrans or 3 zergs and a terran, they could obviously risk sending XellOs, assuming the other 3 would get the win. But with the new rule, they will send sAviOr, EffOrt, Iris, and Much/Movie basically every time, unless someone is training for individual leagues (e.g. no sAviOr on Saturday).

It also tends to lend itself to more of the same matchups on each specific map. Each night usually ends up 3/4 to 4/4 mirrors, or no mirrors. Whereas under the old system you could risk sending out another terran on a usually non-terran map to snipe a zerg or toss, you cannot take that terran away from one of the terran maps. If there are no mirrors, it will be the same matchups, like Raid Assault: ZvZ on mirror night, TvZ on non-mirror night. Maps always did tend to have a couple match-ups most of the time, but now there is even more incentive to only send a certain race or matchup to each map.


if you look at the 40 matches presented in this thread, 12 of those are mirrors. I know that its more sometimes, but its not as bad as you say it is.
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mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
November 13 2008 18:41 GMT
#43
I'd just like to point out Tempest isn't garbage. Hes pretty fun to watch because hell either play great like vs Best or hilariously like vs Xellos on GOMTV(game 2 was hilarious, and he still won the set).
And for skt1 midas will return to form as usual, and canata will win TvTs as usual.
Carefree
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1571 Posts
November 13 2008 22:40 GMT
#44
I
LOVE
OOV

OOV

OMG.

IloveIloveoov!!
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 14 2008 00:48 GMT
#45
On November 14 2008 03:04 Sunyveil wrote:If you're saying that SKT is being hurt the most by the new rules, you're not going out on a limb at all.

Anyway, I just wanted to point out something. Lecaf, despite having a really good set of 4 or 5 top players (at least relative to other teams, try finding somebody better than BackHo that's forced to play every day), have nobody else. All of their other Zerg (other than JD) and Protoss players are unbearably horrible.


This begs the question of how Lecaf will do when it gets to the playoffs, and things go to a Bo7 format (I'm assuming things will still be Bo7 in the playoffs).

It also means that if SKT1 can hold on until the playoffs, they should post better results, since their auto-lose games (T1 Zergs, I'm looking at you) will have less of an effect on the outcome of the matches.
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pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
November 14 2008 01:00 GMT
#46
Playoffs are in a year. This round is only a fifth of the proleague season.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-14 01:04:59
November 14 2008 01:04 GMT
#47
On November 14 2008 10:00 pachi wrote:
Playoffs are in a year. This round is only a fifth of the proleague season.


True, but that doesn't make the playoffs less significant. Being first throughout the season only gets you so far in the playoffs.
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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
November 14 2008 02:50 GMT
#48
On November 14 2008 02:58 jwd241224 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2008 02:50 baubo wrote:
On November 14 2008 02:25 LonelyMargarita wrote:
On November 13 2008 18:17 Velr wrote:
... did not even notice this until now... sick :D...

waiting vor possible oov/boxer/nada/july/xellos-games :D...

Get da oldschool going.


All we need now to get things back to the good times is return of the Mantoss and real Yellow :p.


This is why I hate the new rule this season. Since you need to send 1 of each race in the first 4 matches, the old schoolers (who are not at the top of the team) basically never get to play. Take CJ. Strong zerg team, mid-range terran, slumping toss at the moment. They HAVE to send Much or Movie for a game, which is likely a loss, plus they can only send 2 of their zergs, so they have to hope for the terran to win. That means they really have no choice but their top terran every time, Iris. If they could send 2 zergs and 2 terrans or 3 zergs and a terran, they could obviously risk sending XellOs, assuming the other 3 would get the win. But with the new rule, they will send sAviOr, EffOrt, Iris, and Much/Movie basically every time, unless someone is training for individual leagues (e.g. no sAviOr on Saturday).


Sorry, but as a CJ fan you cannot blame the new rules on your team's problems. If anything, CJ has a fairly balanced team with Much, Iris, and Memory to support its zergs.

The rules hurt all teams. KTF has to send out lame tosses like Lucifer and Tempest. Lecaf the same with the amazing Backho. Sparkyz has freaking Chalrenge. And you think CJ has it tough with Much!? Samsung also has to deal with absolutely fresh nobodies to put for its zegs. You think anyone has heard of by.great or juni before?


by.great is destroying shit this season...top 10 record in PL. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the team most screwed by the new rules has been SK T1, simply because they lack any good Zergs or Terrans all of a sudden. Canata can't win, Midas just totally fell of the map after getting destroyed by BeSt in the OSL...that leaves us with oov. The Zergs, well, I don't even have to go into that.


I love by.great. But that doesn't take away from the fact that before this season, NO ONE really knows much about him other than being cannon fodder for Leta in the PL finals. I guess there's something to be said of him actually playing in the finals over Frozean... but he's still a new kid.

My point is that the new rules forces teams to throw inexperienced kids into the fire. Some excel(Khan zergs) and some fuck up(T1 zergs). It's actually kind of refreshing... unless you're a T1 fan of course.

On November 14 2008 03:41 mog87 wrote:
I'd just like to point out Tempest isn't garbage. Hes pretty fun to watch because hell either play great like vs Best or hilariously like vs Xellos on GOMTV(game 2 was hilarious, and he still won the set).
And for skt1 midas will return to form as usual, and canata will win TvTs as usual.


Tempest isn't garbage, but he and that other protoss for KTF are both pretty bad in the PL. That said though, KTF has no depth after Luxury and Flash anyway, so I guess the rules don't matter too much for them.
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SpiralArchitect
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2116 Posts
November 14 2008 03:20 GMT
#49
Thanks pachi!
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SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
November 14 2008 13:50 GMT
#50
Oov and Boxer Hwaiting!!
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Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2093 Posts
November 14 2008 16:57 GMT
#51
The number of mirrors has gone down quite a bit. Any idea why? Did the teams have time to develop the other races for the maps?
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Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
November 15 2008 04:42 GMT
#52
On November 14 2008 02:58 jwd241224 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2008 02:50 baubo wrote:
On November 14 2008 02:25 LonelyMargarita wrote:
On November 13 2008 18:17 Velr wrote:
... did not even notice this until now... sick :D...

waiting vor possible oov/boxer/nada/july/xellos-games :D...

Get da oldschool going.


All we need now to get things back to the good times is return of the Mantoss and real Yellow :p.


This is why I hate the new rule this season. Since you need to send 1 of each race in the first 4 matches, the old schoolers (who are not at the top of the team) basically never get to play. Take CJ. Strong zerg team, mid-range terran, slumping toss at the moment. They HAVE to send Much or Movie for a game, which is likely a loss, plus they can only send 2 of their zergs, so they have to hope for the terran to win. That means they really have no choice but their top terran every time, Iris. If they could send 2 zergs and 2 terrans or 3 zergs and a terran, they could obviously risk sending XellOs, assuming the other 3 would get the win. But with the new rule, they will send sAviOr, EffOrt, Iris, and Much/Movie basically every time, unless someone is training for individual leagues (e.g. no sAviOr on Saturday).


Sorry, but as a CJ fan you cannot blame the new rules on your team's problems. If anything, CJ has a fairly balanced team with Much, Iris, and Memory to support its zergs.

The rules hurt all teams. KTF has to send out lame tosses like Lucifer and Tempest. Lecaf the same with the amazing Backho. Sparkyz has freaking Chalrenge. And you think CJ has it tough with Much!? Samsung also has to deal with absolutely fresh nobodies to put for its zegs. You think anyone has heard of by.great or juni before?


by.great is destroying shit this season...top 10 record in PL. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the team most screwed by the new rules has been SK T1, simply because they lack any good Zergs or Terrans all of a sudden. Canata can't win, Midas just totally fell of the map after getting destroyed by BeSt in the OSL...that leaves us with oov. The Zergs, well, I don't even have to go into that.

OK, let's do some stat searching:

(P)BeSt 8-3 (2nd in PL)
(P)Bisu 4-0 (8th in PL)

(T)by.fantasy 5-4 (OK he's not total garbage)

Rest of the team: 1-17 HOLY WTF



Thanks alot for the stats. Holy fuck, I knew bisu and best were carrying the team but god damn.... They better pick up their shit and get their act together.
We see things they'll never see
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
November 15 2008 05:12 GMT
#53
On November 13 2008 17:30 baubo wrote:
Man, T1 is really pulling out all the stops. On a team that only needs to send one terran out per match(since they can send two protosses) and has Canata, Fantasy, and Midas... they have Oov playing? That just seems unreal. Either Oov is now really good, or he has absolutely no confidence in his terrans.



well you have to imagine oov is their harshest critic and it would be no surprise at all if he really is that beastly
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
November 15 2008 18:24 GMT
#54
it warms my heart to see KTF have a good zerg player
After Chojja and Yellow left it felt so empty
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Disarray
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1164 Posts
November 16 2008 02:08 GMT
#55
by.movie over much ?? really ??
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zgl
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States1055 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-16 08:17:45
November 16 2008 08:16 GMT
#56
Can't wait for OOOOVVVVV
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
November 19 2008 06:17 GMT
#57
I was really excited when i saw that oov was playing
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