Potential for a Community Project - Page 3

On March 05 2008 00:39 GoSuPlAyEr wrote:


well, now you have:-)

On March 05 2008 00:16 Chill wrote:
You guys are acting like there's a million and one builds, there aren't. There's maybe four viable builds for each matchup:

PvP - 1 Gate, 2 Gate, Reaver, DT
PvT - 1 Gate range, Reaver, 2 Gate, DT.
PvZ - FE, 2 Gate, 1 Gate Reaver, 1 Gate Corsair

TvP - FD, Gundam, Joyo
TvT - Fact CC, 2 Fact, Fact Port, 2 Port
TvZ - 1 Rine CC, 2 Rax Acad CC, Tank rush, Sparks, Metal

ZvT - Kwanro, 2 Hatch Mutas, 3 Hatch Mutas, Lurkers.
ZvP - 9 Pool speed, 3 Hatch Mutas, 2-3 Hatch natural break, 4-5 Hatch Sauron into Lurkers
ZvZ - 9 Pool speed, 12 Pool gas, 12 Hatch (main/exp),

Sure, you can argue there are subtleties that change each build, both those 3-5 builds for each matchup cover 95% of Starcraft.

On March 05 2008 01:18 OctoPuSs wrote:

I don't think going over strategies and build orders in a turotial for spectators is the best of ideas. Like someone mentionned, I think we should do a lot like poker and explain very basic stuff. You could make a video for each race and go over all the units and explain their relevance in certain situations (supported by exemples ripped off replays or vods), their weaknesses and their strenghts. The casual spectator doesn't need to know the build orders. He just needs to understand the idea behind them as he sees them develop. Trust me if someone wants to learn more about the strategies, he'll play the game.

Commentators are usually the ones who explain the strategical aspect to the spectators.

On March 05 2008 03:38 Kennigit wrote:
I don't know if you guys have every watched a VOD with someone who has zero understanding of the game and explaining why the players are doing stuff. If you give them a crash course on "this is what this unit does and when these units get together they are really good against zerg" etc they get that much more into it.

On March 05 2008 04:40 SonuvBob wrote:

I'd recommend that everyone involved in this project actually does this, to see exactly what is needed.


For videos, highest priority probably goes to:

Terran units/buildings and terminology
Zerg units/buildings and terminology
Terran units/buildings and terminology
General game concepts (supply, cloaking, burrow, splash damage, etc) and terminology

Those will let people understand what's going on at a basic level.

Then maybe tactics (microed vs unmicroed battles) so they can see just how good the pros are.


As far as I know, matchup stuff is generally explained in the actual game commentaries that folks like Diggity do. ("He's 9-pooling, this means..."). If they don't already do that, they should. :p

We have other ways of more efficiently covering matchup stuff and strategies in the works as well.

Fuck Protoss. They make units and a-move. Nothing to explain.

On March 05 2008 00:33 Chill wrote:
(6) OR (9)You have six or eight 8-minute videos explaining the builds for each matchup. What they accomplish, how they are different than other builds. This would include the opening builds I mentioned above, as well as overarching strategies, such as SK versus 2 Fact. It's not a lot to go over.

"1 Rine CC is expanding with only a single Marine and Barracks. It is a risky build that relies on good scouting and the assumption that most Zergs play Hatchery first. Another build which gives a slightly slower expansion is 2 Rax Academy. In this build, the play waits until he is sure the Zerg player isn't rushing before stopping Marine production and expanding. This build is safer and will not lose to Pool-first rushes. It also allows Terran to move out earlier in the midgame as he will have Medics sooner than 1 Rine CC.

Terran also has the option of playing with a delayed expansion, instead trying to end the game early. One way of doing this is the Tank rush. Terran builds 2 Barracks, producing Marines, and then a Factor and finally an Academy. He produces a Tank, and moves out to Zerg's Sunken Colony line while Siege researches, looking to break through into Zerg's base before his Mutalisks or Lurkers are out to defend.

The final build which has fallen out of practise as of late is the Sync Sparks rush. This build relies on a fast +1 attack upgrade, and production from 3 Barracks. Terran looks to crash through the Sunken line with an overwhelming amount of infantry units before Zerg has Lurkers to defend. It is not uncomon to see Zerg players losing despite having upwards of 8 Sunken Colonies."

Done. Explained and you have enough time to go into SK versus 2 Fact with the remaining 3 miuntes.

On March 05 2008 07:23 Aizen wrote:
so basically a korean version of gg.nets database?