EPTBecause of players and maps.
Flash, firebathero, ForGG, Mong, BarrackS.
Escalade, Inner Coven, Horizon Lunar Colony and Hitchhiker.
Which season is the best in ASL?
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SCRVN
135 Posts
Because of players and maps. Flash, firebathero, ForGG, Mong, BarrackS. Escalade, Inner Coven, Horizon Lunar Colony and Hitchhiker. | ||
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HerbMon
United States467 Posts
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TornadoSteve
1109 Posts
Also, honorable mention to #10. | ||
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Zergxhx
China188 Posts
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TornadoSteve
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1125 Posts
ASL15 god tier semi-finals. | ||
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rotta
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6813 Posts
Imagine how bad it was with tvz that larva is known for spam games with flash and always asking for re. Well back then Larva was so tilted that he alt F4 BW and launched league of legends. FlaSh was asking for re and larva told him that he will no play against him anymore if he continues doing the same build LOL. Season 16 17 and season 19 Were really good too. The season that Flash played random was also very hype cuz no one expected FlaSh to beat Snow or Bisu with Protoss or even Rush with Protoss but he did lol. The highlight of that Season was making it third Place with Random pretty much. | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5224 Posts
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TornadoSteve
1109 Posts
It made those seasons better for me. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1125 Posts
On November 26 2025 20:12 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: season 6 Absolute best FlaSh destroyed the TvZ matchup with 1-1-1 and Effort totally destroyed him. Imagine how bad it was with tvz that larva is known for spam games with flash and always asking for re. Well back then Larva was so tilted that he alt F4 BW and launched league of legends. FlaSh was asking for re and larva told him that he will no play against him anymore if he continues doing the same build LOL. Season 16 17 and season 19 Were really good too. The season that Flash played random was also very hype cuz no one expected FlaSh to beat Snow or Bisu with Protoss or even Rush with Protoss but he did lol. The highlight of that Season was making it third Place with Random pretty much. I actually like that season less because T and P rely so strongly on knowing their opponent's races that FlaSh having his race hidden until he was scouted worked greatly in his favor. VS SoMa's zerg it just did not work at all. | ||
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prion_
79 Posts
On November 27 2025 01:15 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: I actually like that season less because T and P rely so strongly on knowing their opponent's races that FlaSh having his race hidden until he was scouted worked greatly in his favor. VS SoMa's zerg it just did not work at all. It was cool that Flash tried random but most of the actual offrace games were just clown builds like going for an early hidden third in PvP or getting a free ZvZ win on Plasma | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6813 Posts
On November 27 2025 01:15 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: I actually like that season less because T and P rely so strongly on knowing their opponent's races that FlaSh having his race hidden until he was scouted worked greatly in his favor. VS SoMa's zerg it just did not work at all. It doesnt matter how greatly it works i promess to you he has still to play a race that is not his main. And outperform vs Opponents main race.. For some reason Flash run is not considered as good cuz he didnt actually won the whole season. In fact his Random made top 3 in ASL. Do you know how many progamers didnt even reach a semis at this point ? lol No only that. Flash doing different Builds as protoss vs his opponents was also very interesting to me. How his terran mind was put to try it with different strategies. Ofc there was luck in his run. But will it be actually any different to people that made it to semis or finals ? They also need luck is not everything skill to win a tourney. vs Rush specially the stars aligned with him. But at the same time his mindgames the whole series was extremely high. There was an interview where he explains how he predicted most of the stuff Rush will try. | ||
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TonDan04
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TT1
Canada10014 Posts
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TornadoSteve
1109 Posts
On November 26 2025 20:12 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: season 6 Absolute best FlaSh destroyed the TvZ matchup with 1-1-1 and Effort totally destroyed him. Imagine how bad it was with tvz that larva is known for spam games with flash and always asking for re. Well back then Larva was so tilted that he alt F4 BW and launched league of legends. FlaSh was asking for re and larva told him that he will no play against him anymore if he continues doing the same build LOL. Season 16 17 and season 19 Were really good too. The season that Flash played random was also very hype cuz no one expected FlaSh to beat Snow or Bisu with Protoss or even Rush with Protoss but he did lol. The highlight of that Season was making it third Place with Random pretty much. I suggest you watch it again, some hidden gems SnOw:free is one of them, In fact, all the ro16 was exciting | ||
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TornadoSteve
1109 Posts
On November 27 2025 05:07 TonDan04 wrote: What ASL and map was were Nada nuked a zerg, i think it was Larva? Ive been looking over ASLs for this map but I can't seem to find it. But this isn't the game I was looking for, I think it was PvT and it must have been Snow or possible Stork vs Flash. It was such a good game. It was ASL 7, RO16. Also, on that same season, both of the RO4 are worth watching | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1125 Posts
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CHEONSOYUN
565 Posts
mini looked unbeatable but larva managed to overcome him+rush | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1706 Posts
On November 27 2025 10:01 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: An individual player's highlight fo me was Brain's ASL run beating Light, Mind, and Soulkey in his first and only ASL season. Specifically because his focus on storming workers with shuttle drops caught on and spread like wildfire among other protoss pros. No other other amateur has managed to win their Ro24 on their first ASL, or win a game in Ro16, as a consequence of no first timer winning in Ro24. who the fuck is Brain | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1706 Posts
On November 27 2025 05:07 TonDan04 wrote: What ASL and map was were Nada nuked a zerg, i think it was Larva? Ive been looking over ASLs for this map but I can't seem to find it. But this isn't the game I was looking for, I think it was PvT and it must have been Snow or possible Stork vs Flash. It was such a good game. Here you go | ||
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Soft_General_5023
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mtcn77
Turkey659 Posts
On November 27 2025 13:52 Soft_General_5023 wrote: hard to believe Shuttle won an ASL, was he better then, or just others got better? Winning is about self confidence. Shuttle has that big brother vibe going for him. Personally, I think anything 1-10 was super high cerebral, 10-19 was dumber by the minute like SC2, but I like 10-19 better. However on single matchups, I think somewhere around 1-10 were best, I forgot which seasons had the most arbiter stasis pushes I find best. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26304 Posts
On November 27 2025 19:37 mtcn77 wrote: Winning is about self confidence. Shuttle has that big brother vibe going for him. Personally, I think anything 1-10 was super high cerebral, 10-19 was dumber by the minute like SC2, but I like 10-19 better. However on single matchups, I think somewhere around 1-10 were best, I forgot which seasons had the most arbiter stasis pushes I find best. Why were seasons 1-10 more cerebral than what came after? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26304 Posts
On November 27 2025 01:34 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: It doesnt matter how greatly it works i promess to you he has still to play a race that is not his main. And outperform vs Opponents main race.. For some reason Flash run is not considered as good cuz he didnt actually won the whole season. In fact his Random made top 3 in ASL. Do you know how many progamers didnt even reach a semis at this point ? lol No only that. Flash doing different Builds as protoss vs his opponents was also very interesting to me. How his terran mind was put to try it with different strategies. Ofc there was luck in his run. But will it be actually any different to people that made it to semis or finals ? They also need luck is not everything skill to win a tourney. vs Rush specially the stars aligned with him. But at the same time his mindgames the whole series was extremely high. There was an interview where he explains how he predicted most of the stuff Rush will try. I thought most people rated that run very highly, it was pretty nuts and hyped. But on the flipside, he did roll the dice pretty well and some of his wins were pretty gimmicky. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13305 Posts
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mtcn77
Turkey659 Posts
On November 27 2025 20:37 WombaT wrote: Why were seasons 1-10 more cerebral than what came after? It was pretty easy to follow the action during the second part. I guarantee you you couldn't guess it in 1-10 like you could in 10-19. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1125 Posts
On November 28 2025 00:15 mtcn77 wrote: It was pretty easy to follow the action during the second part. I guarantee you you couldn't guess it in 1-10 like you could in 10-19. I disagree with 1-10 being more cerebral. 10-19 are much more refined with smaller marging for error. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6813 Posts
On November 27 2025 13:52 Soft_General_5023 wrote: hard to believe Shuttle won an ASL, was he better then, or just others got better? Is not like he was any better than now. Is more like It was vs Sharp who at the time was known for being extremely weak vs Protoss. But in Shuttle's credit he also beat Last on his way to the Final. Also is funny that havent Effort made a 5 pool in group stages vs him . he wouldnt even have advanced lol. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey659 Posts
On November 28 2025 02:33 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: I disagree with 1-10 being more cerebral. 10-19 are much more refined with smaller marging for error. 1-10 was berserk. 10-19 was refined, but in a noninteresting way SC2 is. Maybe I'm overly nostalgic. I still have a predisposition to PvT. 10-19 feels more TvZ favoured. Good, but not like PvT wild. | ||
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Ideas
United States8161 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3691 Posts
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iFU.pauline
France1675 Posts
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Ikirouta
Finland739 Posts
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1125 Posts
On November 28 2025 05:51 mtcn77 wrote: 1-10 was berserk. 10-19 was refined, but in a noninteresting way SC2 is. Maybe I'm overly nostalgic. I still have a predisposition to PvT. 10-19 feels more TvZ favoured. Good, but not like PvT wild. I really disagree with that. Season 10+ was better to me in every aspect except maybe some maps being way too unbalanced. And perhaps the enforcement of less bases, less minerals at some expansions did force games to generally be a bit shorter, which also resulted in more semi-all-in timings. I think if they reduce the size of the map pool back to 5, and take out some obvious weird maps, that the competition will feel both maximum refined and berserk. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6813 Posts
Source: https://www.sooplive.co.kr/station/kuyol/post/179185643 | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1125 Posts
On November 28 2025 20:36 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Random news but 910 is not longer in charge of ASL. So maybe we will see the end of terran maps ? Source: https://www.sooplive.co.kr/station/kuyol/post/179185643 wish him well on his new adventure. wonder who will be in charge now. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey659 Posts
On November 28 2025 20:11 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: I really disagree with that. Season 10+ was better to me in every aspect except maybe some maps being way too unbalanced. And perhaps the enforcement of less bases, less minerals at some expansions did force games to generally be a bit shorter, which also resulted in more semi-all-in timings. I think if they reduce the size of the map pool back to 5, and take out some obvious weird maps, that the competition will feel both maximum refined and berserk. Just to concur: do you think more bases and more minerals are what made 1-10 seasons PvT festivities? We might have stumbled upon some brilliant idea. | ||
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ZZZero.O
Poland1580 Posts
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TornadoSteve
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1125 Posts
On November 29 2025 00:36 mtcn77 wrote: Just to concur: do you think more bases and more minerals are what made 1-10 seasons PvT festivities? We might have stumbled upon some brilliant idea. It has by design become more difficult to expand to a 4th base/3rd gas for terran. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12025 Posts
On November 29 2025 07:36 ZZZero.O wrote: There was one with this blue island map. I liked it a lot. Sparkle? | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey659 Posts
On November 29 2025 18:08 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: It has by design become more difficult to expand to a 4th base/3rd gas for terran. Yet, I've never heard it the same for protoss. If anything smaller maps are told to be favoured for timing attacks vs zerg. Is it the opposite for PvT - the bigger the better? I wonder... | ||
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1519 Posts
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1125 Posts
All of these sets were brilliant, specifically Best's comebacks vs Queen and Light were top tier story telling. Whoever wrote the script was cooking. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50637 Posts
booyaka | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey659 Posts
On December 01 2025 22:55 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: For me nothing beats ASL19. Soulkey vs snow, Soulkey vs best, Best vs light, Best vs queen was all absolute peak starcraft. Soulkey vs SnOw on dominator was the most brainy cutthroat game ever. All of these sets were brilliant, specifically Best's comebacks vs Queen and Light were top tier story telling. Whoever wrote the script was cooking. They weren't any better than ASL 14. In 15, JYJ really delivered, yet I like scrappy games on both sides. Each tettering on breaking new meta and scrapping years of it at the same time. I think Royal did it better. That is why I like ASL 18 finals better than 19. However there weren't any good arbiter play from the protoss players, so any pre 10 is better overall. Games should not feel scripted I mean. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1125 Posts
On December 02 2025 08:08 mtcn77 wrote: They weren't any better than ASL 14. In 15, JYJ really delivered, yet I like scrappy games on both sides. Each tettering on breaking new meta and scrapping years of it at the same time. I think Royal did it better. That is why I like ASL 18 finals better than 19. However there weren't any good arbiter play from the protoss players, so any pre 10 is better overall. Games should not feel scripted I mean. the season JyJ won his semi set was really good, but it was just that semi set that was really good(and the ro8 set). asl19 had 4 amazing sets. we never before had 4 amazing sets of top top top starcraft in a single round of 8 before. ASL14 did have amazing Royal vs Soulkey and Rush vs HerO but that Ro8 only had 2 great sets. Soulkey winning ASL16 had two amazing soulkey vs JyJ and Soulkey vs Rush sets, but again, that is only two amazing sets. Season 15 had Soulkey vs JyJ and HerO vs JyJ with two amazing sets, but again that is only two great sets. Season 19 had 4 amazing sets! Unheard of! | ||
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Sorusaba
295 Posts
Larva vs Mini in season 11 was my favourite grand finals, closely followed by Effort vs Flash in season 6. However, I can't think of anything more exciting and hype than Flash randoming in the ASL in season 10 so that's probably my favourite. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6813 Posts
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
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mtcn77
Turkey659 Posts
On December 02 2025 12:03 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: the season JyJ won his semi set was really good, but it was just that semi set that was really good(and the ro8 set). asl19 had 4 amazing sets. we never before had 4 amazing sets of top top top starcraft in a single round of 8 before. ASL14 did have amazing Royal vs Soulkey and Rush vs HerO but that Ro8 only had 2 great sets. Soulkey winning ASL16 had two amazing soulkey vs JyJ and Soulkey vs Rush sets, but again, that is only two amazing sets. Season 15 had Soulkey vs JyJ and HerO vs JyJ with two amazing sets, but again that is only two great sets. Season 19 had 4 amazing sets! Unheard of! ASL 19 and 20 just coasted on the wind of soulkey's previous runs. I cannot for the life of me tell who was the supposed equal opponent. By comparison, anything 12-15 was genuinely more exciting. You tended to the same coccoon that hatched into the next successive zerg era. You could see the potential that was there in Soulkey. There was no slop, or miscalculation, but the wins highlight the losses for me. That is why I like that era. | ||
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Ikirouta
Finland739 Posts
On December 01 2025 23:30 BLinD-RawR wrote: personally 6 and 19. booyaka you made me smile mr blindrawr, thanks! | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4235 Posts
On December 01 2025 23:30 BLinD-RawR wrote: personally 6 and 19. booyaka Same. | ||
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Galacsia
Chile163 Posts
It had the comeback of a lot of the old players. TBLS all playing really well, Jaedong vs Flash semifinals. Players like Effort, Rain, Best and Sea at a high level too Good maps all around Hype in the audience was at its peak Other great seasons that come to mind are season 6, 9, 14 and 19. Season 4 was pretty good too. | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1016 Posts
Other great ones: 2 -> everyone returning, 6 -> effOrt, 10 -> Flash on random was fun, 19 and 20 -> insane RO4 matches and the 4peat was crazy plus BeSt finally getting places, also Roaring Currents was a super fun map to watch. | ||
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