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Who will win SOOP Starcraft League Autumn (ASL18)?

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TL.net Bot
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TL.net132 Posts
August 23 2024 15:56 GMT
#1
Discussion thread for front page poll: "Who will win SOOP Starcraft League Autumn (ASL18)?"
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey741 Posts
August 23 2024 17:08 GMT
#2
SK
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1068 Posts
August 23 2024 17:54 GMT
#3
Zerg is well represented by Soulkey indeed.
If Protoss wins, i fee like BeSt is playing the best brood war of his life, and handles the pressure a bit better.
If Terran wins, i will be very surprised, so im going to go with an upset in Speed.
namkraft
Profile Blog Joined December 2021
484 Posts
August 23 2024 18:07 GMT
#4
Stork.
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ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States694 Posts
August 23 2024 18:47 GMT
#5
Mind.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands950 Posts
August 23 2024 18:53 GMT
#6
soulkey >>> light > snow > Bisu > Hero > Mini
JDON MY SOUL!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2831 Posts
August 23 2024 19:16 GMT
#7
If Soulkey doesn't die to a ZvZ, it's gotta be him. His recent dominance is on par with Flash's in the past.
If it's not him, then one of the Terrans. Could be any of them. Light is of course the best of the bunch, but idk why he's become a choker in ASL now.
Protoss are having a tough time recently. Even Snow falling off a cliff, losing to the likes of Barracks and Royal regularly. Doubt any of them even makes top 4.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
3002 Posts
August 23 2024 20:28 GMT
#8
My heart says Mini.

My head doesn't get a vote.
cheesehuehue
Profile Joined March 2024
Vatican City State90 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-24 01:44:26
August 24 2024 01:41 GMT
#9
Soulkey if he doesn't have to face too many zergs.

So weird seeing Queen as one of the options considering he's performed terribly most of this year. Currently sitting at rank 28 of eloboard with 1185 points, and 44% win rate. And talking about ranks, Hero is at rank 29, action 22, and Jaedong 14. The Zerg roster has been performing awfully bad for the last several months, except for Soulkey, who seems to compensate for the whole race.

Edit: Ok, maybe it's an exaggeration to say Hero has performed awfully. He's performed decently, but is having a slump.
Zergxhx
Profile Joined November 2020
China165 Posts
August 24 2024 02:08 GMT
#10
Sea
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1068 Posts
August 24 2024 03:07 GMT
#11
hero is automatically seeded to RO8 every year so no1 is sleeping on him. On the other hand, i feel like many people are sleeping on Bisu, myself included. He has been improved silently for the past few months.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8121 Posts
August 24 2024 04:12 GMT
#12
Fingers crossed for a soulkey three-peat or a protoss winner. But my gut says some random terran:

- terrible map pool for zergs + every zerg that isn't SK is slumping
- all protoss are chokers except for rain when he tries (he isn't trying right now) or mini when he's on fire (mini doesn't seem to be on fire right now)
- sharp is playing really good right now so my money on him gun to my head
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8290 Posts
August 24 2024 07:23 GMT
#13
Of course I want Jaedong to win , but if I have to bet , I'll go with Queen!

I don't trust SK zvz ... he's a beast a zvt and zvp tho...
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HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey741 Posts
August 24 2024 08:17 GMT
#14
SK zvz story is a bit history. He took down herO back to back on ASL 16 and ASL 17.

In addition SK has the advantage to avoid zvz on R16.I think only herO can made R8.
Highwinds
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada955 Posts
August 24 2024 15:25 GMT
#15
neo.g.soulkey
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4205 Posts
August 26 2024 16:33 GMT
#16
hopefully not another zerg
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
CeJo1
Profile Joined August 2021
32 Posts
August 26 2024 17:00 GMT
#17
I want to see a new bonjwa, rooting for Soulkey
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7903 Posts
August 26 2024 17:58 GMT
#18
On August 24 2024 11:08 Zergxhx wrote:
Sea

That would be amazing. Unfortunately very unlikely…
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julian676
Profile Joined August 2024
1 Post
Last Edited: 2024-08-27 17:48:00
August 27 2024 17:04 GMT
#19
Bot edit.

User was banned for this post.
Galacsia
Profile Joined February 2020
Chile162 Posts
August 27 2024 20:05 GMT
#20
I don't believe Soulkey can get 3 in a row, so I'm going for Best or Rush.
BeSt / Bisu ftw!!
ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States694 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-27 20:30:08
August 27 2024 20:26 GMT
#21
I need to say something to TMNT, but doing so will spoil the result of Group B.

+ Show Spoiler +
Okay TMNT, we saw Mini make 60 probes. He won. He looked good at it, pulling off some clutch micro with shuttle reaver in the style innovated by Snow. Blindly mine rushing against Nexus first was a poor strategic call, the economic lead was huge, and ssak never threatened any expos.

Mini looked very solid in his unchallenged execution of expanding when forced to by extremely passive play from the T.

I hereby admit I was wrong. Mini is technically capable of building more than 60 probes in PvT. But in my defense, ssak was so far behind in the early game that it's hard to feel as confident in Mini's ability to macro like that as compared to, say, Bisu. Admittedly, his shuttle reaver control was very good in his match against ssak.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2831 Posts
August 27 2024 21:06 GMT
#22
On August 28 2024 05:26 ThunderJunk wrote:
I need to say something to TMNT, but doing so will spoil the result of Group B.

+ Show Spoiler +
Okay TMNT, we saw Mini make 60 probes. He won. He looked good at it, pulling off some clutch micro with shuttle reaver in the style innovated by Snow. Blindly mine rushing against Nexus first was a poor strategic call, the economic lead was huge, and ssak never threatened any expos.

Mini looked very solid in his unchallenged execution of expanding when forced to by extremely passive play from the T.

I hereby admit I was wrong. Mini is technically capable of building more than 60 probes in PvT. But in my defense, ssak was so far behind in the early game that it's hard to feel as confident in Mini's ability to macro like that as compared to, say, Bisu. Admittedly, his shuttle reaver control was very good in his match against ssak.

+ Show Spoiler +
I thought the "build more than 40/50/60 probes" thing was just a figure of speech? Didn't think you meant it in a literal sense.

If that's the case, you probably got that impression from watching a selective collection of his games in the ASL. He's more than capable of playing super late game and has done so plenty of times. It's just he likes to deliver the killing blow (or self implode) quicker than other Protoss players, so you don't often find lengthy games from Mini as the others. Maybe I can find some examples for you.

FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10193 Posts
August 27 2024 21:46 GMT
#23
All aboard the Snow hype train.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7903 Posts
August 29 2024 16:20 GMT
#24
Clearly Sea[Shield], who else.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands950 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-29 17:35:40
August 29 2024 17:30 GMT
#25
On August 30 2024 01:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Clearly Sea[Shield], who else.

Sea will prove to all the haters and doubters wrong.

+ Show Spoiler +

about mini and his shorter game times. He is a high risk high reward player because he limit tests as often as is humanly possibly, as long as there is a plausible reason to limit test. Why wait for an opportunity later on in the game when there is one right now? Mini takes the risks when he believes he can. He can definitely play long games very very well. This style can make his late game look bad sometimes because this style can backfire at times.
JDON MY SOUL!
art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1199 Posts
August 29 2024 18:56 GMT
#26
I like how the bot needed to post in the BW Section in order to bring us to the main page
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1068 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-29 21:08:21
August 29 2024 21:08 GMT
#27
Thinking that Mini's head asplode as soon as he get 61 probes when he is the fastest protoss among the pros, multi-task just as well as Bisu and is one of the best at decision making is stupid beyond imagination, and im being polite.
ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States694 Posts
August 29 2024 23:02 GMT
#28
On August 30 2024 02:30 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2024 01:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Clearly Sea[Shield], who else.

Sea will prove to all the haters and doubters wrong.

+ Show Spoiler +

about mini and his shorter game times. He is a high risk high reward player because he limit tests as often as is humanly possibly, as long as there is a plausible reason to limit test. Why wait for an opportunity later on in the game when there is one right now? Mini takes the risks when he believes he can. He can definitely play long games very very well. This style can make his late game look bad sometimes because this style can backfire at times.


+ Show Spoiler +

My favorite Mini finals was against Larva. Larva was practicing a all-out full-on amount, even surpassing Bisu at ZvP in the very lategame. Mini still got 3 games off Larva but the game he lost was the game he didn't plan to lose, and it was a lapse of his limit-testing style so described. Double Robo 2 base all-in.
By the time he was at set 7, he was demoralized and hopeless - knowing he had no chance against Larva on FS.

It was a super close series until that specific game, though. I believe it was set 5.
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LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1460 Posts
August 30 2024 07:14 GMT
#29
My prediction is Zerg NEVER winning a SOOP. I hope I'm proven wrong.
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Sonic_md
Profile Joined March 2020
Moldova275 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-30 07:54:20
August 30 2024 07:45 GMT
#30
I'm always in favor of rotating champions each new season. This goes for both players and races.

If you count the last 18 seasons (17 ASL seasons and there was 1 tournament that effOrt won against Bisu, before ASL 1).

So, Terran has been ranked 1st 8 times, Zerg 7 times, and Protoss only 3 times.

So I want someone from Protoss to win this season.

SnOw has been to the finals 2 times, but never won. Bisu - 1 time, Best, Stork have not been to the finals.

So I want someone from those 4 to win the current ASL.

The Protoss have not won the ASL in the last 5 seasons. The last win in ASL 12 went to Mini.
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1068 Posts
August 30 2024 09:43 GMT
#31
When was Bisu in the finals ?
FakeFin
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany392 Posts
August 30 2024 10:01 GMT
#32
On August 30 2024 18:43 TornadoSteve wrote:
When was Bisu in the finals ?


In the one tournament that he mentioned where EffOrt beat Bisu before ASL 1
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13978 Posts
August 30 2024 11:32 GMT
#33
SK is legit just on another level to everyone else. Dude looks jaw droppingly good atm.
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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2516 Posts
September 02 2024 09:23 GMT
#34
JD looks like he's in really good form. I think he can do it.
spets1
Profile Joined November 2009
95 Posts
September 02 2024 09:54 GMT
#35
Is there English cast live? Used to be nyoken on afreeca
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44184 Posts
September 06 2024 12:50 GMT
#36
Soulkey might still be the strongest
this is a quote
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey741 Posts
September 06 2024 16:54 GMT
#37
On September 02 2024 18:54 spets1 wrote:
Is there English cast live? Used to be nyoken on afreeca

https://www.sooplive.com/sctvenglish
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands950 Posts
September 06 2024 18:58 GMT
#38
On September 06 2024 21:50 goody153 wrote:
Soulkey might still be the strongest

Does feel like it based on his online play.
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