• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:28
CEST 07:28
KST 14:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo16Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)10[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted J188 – Nhà Cái Cá Cược Trực Tuyến Đẳng Cấp Châu Á Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes?
Tourneys
GSL CK #4 20-21th June Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 530 One For All The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected
Brood War
General
STARCRAFT MOVIE - Last Night at the Command center BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Battle cruiser feet vs Carrier fleet Fact based Zerg Upgrade Tier List vespene.gg — BW replays in browser
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Relatively freeroll strategies Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia {D-2} Late to making 20.06.2026 memorable [p]94718
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread [H]Internet/Gaming Cafe Tips and Tricks The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How To Predict Tilt in Espor…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9682 users

Who will win SOOP Starcraft League Autumn (ASL18)?

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Normal
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net136 Posts
August 23 2024 15:56 GMT
#1
Discussion thread for front page poll: "Who will win SOOP Starcraft League Autumn (ASL18)?"
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey791 Posts
August 23 2024 17:08 GMT
#2
SK
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1116 Posts
August 23 2024 17:54 GMT
#3
Zerg is well represented by Soulkey indeed.
If Protoss wins, i fee like BeSt is playing the best brood war of his life, and handles the pressure a bit better.
If Terran wins, i will be very surprised, so im going to go with an upset in Speed.
namkraft
Profile Blog Joined December 2021
561 Posts
August 23 2024 18:07 GMT
#4
Stork.
Broodwar Forever
ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States738 Posts
August 23 2024 18:47 GMT
#5
Mind.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1265 Posts
August 23 2024 18:53 GMT
#6
soulkey >>> light > snow > Bisu > Hero > Mini
JDON MY SOUL!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3229 Posts
August 23 2024 19:16 GMT
#7
If Soulkey doesn't die to a ZvZ, it's gotta be him. His recent dominance is on par with Flash's in the past.
If it's not him, then one of the Terrans. Could be any of them. Light is of course the best of the bunch, but idk why he's become a choker in ASL now.
Protoss are having a tough time recently. Even Snow falling off a cliff, losing to the likes of Barracks and Royal regularly. Doubt any of them even makes top 4.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
August 23 2024 20:28 GMT
#8
My heart says Mini.

My head doesn't get a vote.
cheesehuehue
Profile Joined March 2024
Vatican City State90 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-24 01:44:26
August 24 2024 01:41 GMT
#9
Soulkey if he doesn't have to face too many zergs.

So weird seeing Queen as one of the options considering he's performed terribly most of this year. Currently sitting at rank 28 of eloboard with 1185 points, and 44% win rate. And talking about ranks, Hero is at rank 29, action 22, and Jaedong 14. The Zerg roster has been performing awfully bad for the last several months, except for Soulkey, who seems to compensate for the whole race.

Edit: Ok, maybe it's an exaggeration to say Hero has performed awfully. He's performed decently, but is having a slump.
Zergxhx
Profile Joined November 2020
China208 Posts
August 24 2024 02:08 GMT
#10
Sea
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1116 Posts
August 24 2024 03:07 GMT
#11
hero is automatically seeded to RO8 every year so no1 is sleeping on him. On the other hand, i feel like many people are sleeping on Bisu, myself included. He has been improved silently for the past few months.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8171 Posts
August 24 2024 04:12 GMT
#12
Fingers crossed for a soulkey three-peat or a protoss winner. But my gut says some random terran:

- terrible map pool for zergs + every zerg that isn't SK is slumping
- all protoss are chokers except for rain when he tries (he isn't trying right now) or mini when he's on fire (mini doesn't seem to be on fire right now)
- sharp is playing really good right now so my money on him gun to my head
Free Palestine
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8912 Posts
August 24 2024 07:23 GMT
#13
Of course I want Jaedong to win , but if I have to bet , I'll go with Queen!

I don't trust SK zvz ... he's a beast a zvt and zvp tho...
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey791 Posts
August 24 2024 08:17 GMT
#14
SK zvz story is a bit history. He took down herO back to back on ASL 16 and ASL 17.

In addition SK has the advantage to avoid zvz on R16.I think only herO can made R8.
Highwinds
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada955 Posts
August 24 2024 15:25 GMT
#15
neo.g.soulkey
Yes It's a Good Day. 저는 아이유 사랑해요!
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
August 26 2024 16:33 GMT
#16
hopefully not another zerg
CeJo1
Profile Joined August 2021
32 Posts
August 26 2024 17:00 GMT
#17
I want to see a new bonjwa, rooting for Soulkey
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8107 Posts
August 26 2024 17:58 GMT
#18
On August 24 2024 11:08 Zergxhx wrote:
Sea

That would be amazing. Unfortunately very unlikely…
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
julian676
Profile Joined August 2024
1 Post
Last Edited: 2024-08-27 17:48:00
August 27 2024 17:04 GMT
#19
Bot edit.

User was banned for this post.
Galacsia
Profile Joined February 2020
Chile163 Posts
August 27 2024 20:05 GMT
#20
I don't believe Soulkey can get 3 in a row, so I'm going for Best or Rush.
BeSt / Bisu ftw!!
ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States738 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-27 20:30:08
August 27 2024 20:26 GMT
#21
I need to say something to TMNT, but doing so will spoil the result of Group B.

+ Show Spoiler +
Okay TMNT, we saw Mini make 60 probes. He won. He looked good at it, pulling off some clutch micro with shuttle reaver in the style innovated by Snow. Blindly mine rushing against Nexus first was a poor strategic call, the economic lead was huge, and ssak never threatened any expos.

Mini looked very solid in his unchallenged execution of expanding when forced to by extremely passive play from the T.

I hereby admit I was wrong. Mini is technically capable of building more than 60 probes in PvT. But in my defense, ssak was so far behind in the early game that it's hard to feel as confident in Mini's ability to macro like that as compared to, say, Bisu. Admittedly, his shuttle reaver control was very good in his match against ssak.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3229 Posts
August 27 2024 21:06 GMT
#22
On August 28 2024 05:26 ThunderJunk wrote:
I need to say something to TMNT, but doing so will spoil the result of Group B.

+ Show Spoiler +
Okay TMNT, we saw Mini make 60 probes. He won. He looked good at it, pulling off some clutch micro with shuttle reaver in the style innovated by Snow. Blindly mine rushing against Nexus first was a poor strategic call, the economic lead was huge, and ssak never threatened any expos.

Mini looked very solid in his unchallenged execution of expanding when forced to by extremely passive play from the T.

I hereby admit I was wrong. Mini is technically capable of building more than 60 probes in PvT. But in my defense, ssak was so far behind in the early game that it's hard to feel as confident in Mini's ability to macro like that as compared to, say, Bisu. Admittedly, his shuttle reaver control was very good in his match against ssak.

+ Show Spoiler +
I thought the "build more than 40/50/60 probes" thing was just a figure of speech? Didn't think you meant it in a literal sense.

If that's the case, you probably got that impression from watching a selective collection of his games in the ASL. He's more than capable of playing super late game and has done so plenty of times. It's just he likes to deliver the killing blow (or self implode) quicker than other Protoss players, so you don't often find lengthy games from Mini as the others. Maybe I can find some examples for you.

FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10483 Posts
August 27 2024 21:46 GMT
#23
All aboard the Snow hype train.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8107 Posts
August 29 2024 16:20 GMT
#24
Clearly Sea[Shield], who else.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1265 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-29 17:35:40
August 29 2024 17:30 GMT
#25
On August 30 2024 01:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Clearly Sea[Shield], who else.

Sea will prove to all the haters and doubters wrong.

+ Show Spoiler +

about mini and his shorter game times. He is a high risk high reward player because he limit tests as often as is humanly possibly, as long as there is a plausible reason to limit test. Why wait for an opportunity later on in the game when there is one right now? Mini takes the risks when he believes he can. He can definitely play long games very very well. This style can make his late game look bad sometimes because this style can backfire at times.
JDON MY SOUL!
art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1206 Posts
August 29 2024 18:56 GMT
#26
I like how the bot needed to post in the BW Section in order to bring us to the main page
Flash should fear Sacsri
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1116 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-29 21:08:21
August 29 2024 21:08 GMT
#27
Thinking that Mini's head asplode as soon as he get 61 probes when he is the fastest protoss among the pros, multi-task just as well as Bisu and is one of the best at decision making is stupid beyond imagination, and im being polite.
ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States738 Posts
August 29 2024 23:02 GMT
#28
On August 30 2024 02:30 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2024 01:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Clearly Sea[Shield], who else.

Sea will prove to all the haters and doubters wrong.

+ Show Spoiler +

about mini and his shorter game times. He is a high risk high reward player because he limit tests as often as is humanly possibly, as long as there is a plausible reason to limit test. Why wait for an opportunity later on in the game when there is one right now? Mini takes the risks when he believes he can. He can definitely play long games very very well. This style can make his late game look bad sometimes because this style can backfire at times.


+ Show Spoiler +

My favorite Mini finals was against Larva. Larva was practicing a all-out full-on amount, even surpassing Bisu at ZvP in the very lategame. Mini still got 3 games off Larva but the game he lost was the game he didn't plan to lose, and it was a lapse of his limit-testing style so described. Double Robo 2 base all-in.
By the time he was at set 7, he was demoralized and hopeless - knowing he had no chance against Larva on FS.

It was a super close series until that specific game, though. I believe it was set 5.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1545 Posts
August 30 2024 07:14 GMT
#29
My prediction is Zerg NEVER winning a SOOP. I hope I'm proven wrong.
ko-fi.com/luckynoob
Sonic_md
Profile Joined March 2020
Moldova278 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-30 07:54:20
August 30 2024 07:45 GMT
#30
I'm always in favor of rotating champions each new season. This goes for both players and races.

If you count the last 18 seasons (17 ASL seasons and there was 1 tournament that effOrt won against Bisu, before ASL 1).

So, Terran has been ranked 1st 8 times, Zerg 7 times, and Protoss only 3 times.

So I want someone from Protoss to win this season.

SnOw has been to the finals 2 times, but never won. Bisu - 1 time, Best, Stork have not been to the finals.

So I want someone from those 4 to win the current ASL.

The Protoss have not won the ASL in the last 5 seasons. The last win in ASL 12 went to Mini.
Subscribe to my YT channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Sonic_md...."SC:BW it is just game, but i love this game!" (c)Sonic_md.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1116 Posts
August 30 2024 09:43 GMT
#31
When was Bisu in the finals ?
FakeFin
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany392 Posts
August 30 2024 10:01 GMT
#32
On August 30 2024 18:43 TornadoSteve wrote:
When was Bisu in the finals ?


In the one tournament that he mentioned where EffOrt beat Bisu before ASL 1
(Wiki)VANT36.5 National Starleague
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
August 30 2024 11:32 GMT
#33
SK is legit just on another level to everyone else. Dude looks jaw droppingly good atm.
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2570 Posts
September 02 2024 09:23 GMT
#34
JD looks like he's in really good form. I think he can do it.
spets1
Profile Joined November 2009
136 Posts
September 02 2024 09:54 GMT
#35
Is there English cast live? Used to be nyoken on afreeca
You were wrong before, what makes you think you're right now
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44280 Posts
September 06 2024 12:50 GMT
#36
Soulkey might still be the strongest
this is a quote
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey791 Posts
September 06 2024 16:54 GMT
#37
On September 02 2024 18:54 spets1 wrote:
Is there English cast live? Used to be nyoken on afreeca

https://www.sooplive.com/sctvenglish
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1265 Posts
September 06 2024 18:58 GMT
#38
On September 06 2024 21:50 goody153 wrote:
Soulkey might still be the strongest

Does feel like it based on his online play.
JDON MY SOUL!
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 32m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 96
StarCraft: Brood War
Mind 164
NaDa 41
Icarus 5
Dota 2
LuMiX0
League of Legends
JimRising 700
Counter-Strike
summit1g11344
Other Games
WinterStarcraft779
ViBE173
RuFF_SC289
Hui .64
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream3186
Other Games
gamesdonequick1003
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH259
• practicex 28
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 23
• Diggity8
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1488
• Stunt329
• HappyZerGling83
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Spring Champion…
5h 32m
GSL
6h 32m
Maru vs Reynor
Lambo vs Solar
IPSL
10h 32m
Hawk vs Julia
Patches Events
11h 32m
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
13h 32m
Dewalt vs Messiah
Bonyth vs Mihu
TerrOr vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs Messiah
Jaystar vs Mihu
Dewalt vs XuanXuan
Bonyth vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
18h 32m
WardiTV Weekly
1d 5h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 10h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Douyu Cup 2020
3 days
Oliveira vs Trap
Jieshi vs XY
soO vs FanTaSy
TY vs Coffee
Douyu Cup 2020
4 days
Neeb vs Impact
MacSed vs Cyan
Scarlett vs Kelazhur
INnoVation vs Dear
Douyu Cup 2020
5 days
Maestros of the Game
6 days
herO vs Classic
Maru vs Serral
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
6 days
Douyu Cup 2020
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-19
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 1
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026

Upcoming

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
BCC 2026
Light HT
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.