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Turbovolver
Australia2394 Posts
On December 14 2023 09:49 Bonyth wrote: Bisu goes carriers basically every PvT nowadays............... Nah I remember that quote sticking out to me too, though I didn't remember who said it. This was several years ago before Bisu had ever shown a ton of skill with them, I think when he was doing that aggressive double shuttle harass style versus Terran. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10253 Posts
On December 14 2023 12:03 Turbovolver wrote: Nah I remember that quote sticking out to me too, though I didn't remember who said it. This was several years ago before Bisu had ever shown a ton of skill with them, I think when he was doing that aggressive double shuttle harass style versus Terran. Was probably me saying something like that during the pre-remastered days on the first few ASLs. Same with Best. | ||
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ShadPro
Poland28 Posts
Plus it's Mistrzzz saying it, give over. Maybenexttime, who are you? It would be interesting to have some context behind all this trashtalk and generalisation. You seem so proud of being above it all, yet doing exactly the same as people who you criticise. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5711 Posts
On December 15 2023 01:37 ShadPro wrote: The comment that the guy above is quoting is actually written in English, no translation errors there. He simply means to say that he believes personal affairs are a separate matter to how he views performing a profession. Plus it's Mistrzzz saying it, give over. Maybenexttime, who are you? It would be interesting to have some context behind all this trashtalk and generalisation. You seem so proud of being above it all, yet doing exactly the same as people who you criticise. What trash talk? What did I say that is factually incorrect? | ||
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kAra
Germany1391 Posts
the drama nowerdays sure havent the quality from back in the days. | ||
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quaristice
114 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Rus_Brain July 26 2020 Regarding Reid Melton being RCG 2020 English caster, following "Harassment/Abuse in StarCraft 2" thread here on tl.net 1st of all, I do take rumors and public topics seriously when they can impact my team or my own reputation. For the reason I take rumors seriously, I allowed myself an extended timeout to let everyone come down. For the reason I do care, I believe I should respond properly. 2nd, I do believe Rapid did as a complete morron. Before making a proper decision, I have had conversations with other guys and girls (who's identities is my sole liberty not to say), and the sole verdict is that Rapid deserves punishment. Yet, making your life's dumbest actions known to thousands of people who know you is a very good punishment alone. Perhaps, what he does deserve best is a good (perhaps face damaging) talk with a girl's dad or elder brother. However, most community members who speak from tl.net tribune are bloodthirsty. Admins of some groups do follow public opinion. Some of these, for example, made Rapid's casting career further impossible. I won't immediately follow. I find it quite an Orwell's crime thought police response, black-and-white of whether one is guilty or not, and thus, is free to go, or should be electric chaired immediately. No defense, no jury, no probation. Luckily enough, court responses are still weighted to a level of guilt more than to a public noise. One left free, another gets a sentence. Yet, a third one can get a suspended sentence. This means one is free to go, subject to a further breach of probation conditions will get him barred for an extended term. For this reason, I won't expel Rapid from the tournament cast. I leave a chance to regain credibility. As a probation condition, Rapid is coming to Russia at his own expense. I do respect that it may be troublesome watching Rapid's stream for someone. I find it a solid decision to make a choice of two English streams. Yet, I urge you to respect the depth of my pockets and cover the cost difference. Rapid's flight tickets are $400, and he has a three-year Russian visa done. Check the air flight fare of the one you offer, add ~$200 gross visa expenses, less $400 and you will get the part due from you. i think this post from 2020 by rus_brain is maybe relevant to all this edit: to clarify, if you read the rest of that thread it's clear that rapid did not commentate rcg2020 because the offline tournament was moved online because of covid reasons. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10253 Posts
On December 15 2023 02:07 quaristice wrote: https://tl.net/forum/closed-threads/555323-russian-cyber-games-2020?page=18#359 + Show Spoiler + Rus_Brain July 26 2020 Regarding Reid Melton being RCG 2020 English caster, following "Harassment/Abuse in StarCraft 2" thread here on tl.net 1st of all, I do take rumors and public topics seriously when they can impact my team or my own reputation. For the reason I take rumors seriously, I allowed myself an extended timeout to let everyone come down. For the reason I do care, I believe I should respond properly. 2nd, I do believe Rapid did as a complete morron. Before making a proper decision, I have had conversations with other guys and girls (who's identities is my sole liberty not to say), and the sole verdict is that Rapid deserves punishment. Yet, making your life's dumbest actions known to thousands of people who know you is a very good punishment alone. Perhaps, what he does deserve best is a good (perhaps face damaging) talk with a girl's dad or elder brother. However, most community members who speak from tl.net tribune are bloodthirsty. Admins of some groups do follow public opinion. Some of these, for example, made Rapid's casting career further impossible. I won't immediately follow. I find it quite an Orwell's crime thought police response, black-and-white of whether one is guilty or not, and thus, is free to go, or should be electric chaired immediately. No defense, no jury, no probation. Luckily enough, court responses are still weighted to a level of guilt more than to a public noise. One left free, another gets a sentence. Yet, a third one can get a suspended sentence. This means one is free to go, subject to a further breach of probation conditions will get him barred for an extended term. For this reason, I won't expel Rapid from the tournament cast. I leave a chance to regain credibility. As a probation condition, Rapid is coming to Russia at his own expense. I do respect that it may be troublesome watching Rapid's stream for someone. I find it a solid decision to make a choice of two English streams. Yet, I urge you to respect the depth of my pockets and cover the cost difference. Rapid's flight tickets are $400, and he has a three-year Russian visa done. Check the air flight fare of the one you offer, add ~$200 gross visa expenses, less $400 and you will get the part due from you. i think this post from 2020 by rus_brain is maybe relevant to all this He makes the "difficult" decision to allow Rapid to come, then begs the community to cover the difference when they don't want him. Lol. Also a probated sentence means that the person is guilty. Yet he still hasn't said anything or demonstrated any kind of progression in his character, which is the whole point of a probated sentence. Apparently making him go to Russia is punishment? What? | ||
KwarK
United States43350 Posts
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WolFix
Poland41 Posts
On December 14 2023 02:05 maybenexttime wrote: I'm honestly baffled by the number of Polish people coming in support of Rapid. I'm guessing most of them might be brigading from NetWars. I hope this is more representative of their community, which judging from the thread on this topic (https://netwars.pl/temat/181816) is an incel cesspit, than our society at large. Also funny how WolFix considers sending dick pics to minors normal. 1st of all: I'll talk only for myself there. Im not supporting anyone in this case. I already had a discussion about it with lucky noob, so u can read how i approach the situation. Im just against sexual witchhunt, until proven, overall. All the time I underline that rapid did a big mistake by not giving any statement, but at the same time it doesnt prove whether he is guilty or not. You can just assumue it is, because hes afraid to speak up or something, but u still cannot know it. All we have are stories. Everyone can tell a story. 2nd: I dont know what being an incel has to do with that, but I have a wife and Im father of 2 if u are interested. 3rd: Can you point out where did I say that sending dick pics to a minor is "normal" or if u cannot point it out apologize for saying lies? Its not fucking normal if u are randomly choosing a person in the internet and u are doing such things. I dont know how true the stories are _because i cannot know that, u can only believe they are or not_, but if he was deciding to randomly show his dick to a girl it was fucked up and ofc he should be condemned for that. Id also like to add that it wouldnt be a first time when women are lying about their "sexual predators". It can be heard all the time all over the world that women are intentionaly falsely accusing men of sexual harassment, rape etc. This is exactly why 4th: I myself would never let him cast before him making a statement and only after that Id decide whether its worth it and _judging by his silence so far, but thats only a guesswork_ it wouldnt be. I generally also made a big post about this exact decision on netwars. My general approach to this whole situation can be read there and on the netwars as well. Stop using generalizations and accusing me of normalizing pedophilic behaviors, because i despise something like that (and usually if ppl are getting caught doing that - they have serious irl issues, not only being used as a part of stories on the internet). | ||
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Jealous
10253 Posts
On December 15 2023 06:10 WolFix wrote: Im just against sexual witchhunt, until proven, overall. All the time I underline that rapid did a big mistake by not giving any statement, but at the same time it doesnt prove whether he is guilty or not. You can just assumue it is, because hes afraid to speak up or something, but u still cannot know it. All we have are stories. Everyone can tell a story. ... 3rd: Can you point out where did I say that sending dick pics to a minor is "normal" or if u cannot point it out apologize for saying lies? Its not fucking normal if u are randomly choosing a person in the internet and u are doing such things. I dont know how true the stories are _because i cannot know that, u can only believe they are or not_, but if he was deciding to randomly show his dick to a girl it was fucked up and ofc he should be condemned for that. Id also like to add that it wouldnt be a first time when women are lying about their "sexual predators". It can be heard all the time all over the world that women are intentionaly falsely accusing men of sexual harassment, rape etc. This is exactly why I fully agree with you that false sexual misconduct accusations are sickening. However, I find it hard to believe that a random assortment of women from multiple communities and over multiple years would randomly choose to dogpile one random StarCraft caster for no reason, and that his silence following this situation is not indicative of anything. If these accusations were levied against me, I'd fight tooth and nail to make it clear that I did nothing of the sort. I'd upload entire chatlogs in a heartbeat, no matter what other embarrassing details could be found therein. I'd submit my dick into a police line-up against any of the supposed dicks that were sent to the accuser. Why? Because if I didn't do that shit, common sense dictates that I'd not want anyone to believe that I did it. At the very minimum, I'd Tweet "I didn't do any of the heinous things I'm being accused of." As I mentioned earlier in this thread, what do you truthfully and honestly and logically find more likely: a lot of random women decided to ruin the reputation of some random StarCraft caster when there was no material benefit to them for doing so, or maybe, just maybe, one dude has been a creepy fuck to multiple women? Occam's razor. Do you need a murder weapon to determine that someone is a murderer if twenty people saw them do it? Do you need to see the dickpic in question and compare it to Rapid's dick to believe your daughter if she says he sent her one? I firmly believe that there is a reason why we are discussing Rapid and not Jealous or Wolfix or anyone more or less prominent than Rapid. This is at least in part because I find it likely that neither one of us have sent pictures of our dicks without consent. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5711 Posts
On December 15 2023 06:10 WolFix wrote: 1st of all: I'll talk only for myself there. Im not supporting anyone in this case. I already had a discussion about it with lucky noob, so u can read how i approach the situation. Im just against sexual witchhunt, until proven, overall. All the time I underline that rapid did a big mistake by not giving any statement, but at the same time it doesnt prove whether he is guilty or not. You can just assumue it is, because hes afraid to speak up or something, but u still cannot know it. All we have are stories. Everyone can tell a story. 2nd: I dont know what being an incel has to do with that, but I have a wife and Im father of 2 if u are interested. 3rd: Can you point out where did I say that sending dick pics to a minor is "normal" or if u cannot point it out apologize for saying lies? Its not fucking normal if u are randomly choosing a person in the internet and u are doing such things. I dont know how true the stories are _because i cannot know that, u can only believe they are or not_, but if he was deciding to randomly show his dick to a girl it was fucked up and ofc he should be condemned for that. Id also like to add that it wouldnt be a first time when women are lying about their "sexual predators". It can be heard all the time all over the world that women are intentionaly falsely accusing men of sexual harassment, rape etc. This is exactly why 4th: I myself would never let him cast before him making a statement and only after that Id decide whether its worth it and _judging by his silence so far, but thats only a guesswork_ it wouldnt be. I generally also made a big post about this exact decision on netwars. My general approach to this whole situation can be read there and on the netwars as well. Stop using generalizations and accusing me of normalizing pedophilic behaviors, because i despise something like that (and usually if ppl are getting caught doing that - they have serious irl issues, not only being used as a part of stories on the internet). Ad 1. If this were an isolated case, I would've agreed with you that there was a chance it's a false accusation. But Rapid got kicked out from two (three? did he get kicked out from SC2 as well?) communities independently after several girls/women accused him of sexual harassment and/or being a creep. What's more likely - that he was being a creep or that there's some grand conspiracy to ruin his life? Ad 2. I didn't call you specifically an incel. Just the general vibe at NetWars. In the thread I linked most people are staunchly defending sexual harassment. If you go to other threads, there's quite a lot of redpill talking points. Ad 3. Post #90: The only thing I would expect from Rapid is an explanation and his point of view. I generally think most "normal" ppl have problem with exactly that rather than his behavior. The guy was sending unsolicited dick photos to girls, including minors, which according to you is something normal people don't have an issue with. Post #84: #81 wysyłał zdjęcia siura i namawiał laski (niby nieletnie) na ruchanie w lolu, sc2 i scbw. Na TL jest o tym temat: https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/618831-rapidcasting-is-back-i... Ja mam na to totalnie wyjebane, ale oczywiście, że zachodnie lewaki będą robiły awanturę. Jedyne co mnie razi w oczy to brak reakcji rapida te 3 czy ile lat temu. Ani się do tego nie odniósł, ani nikogo nie zwyzywał. Po prostu zniknął wraz z ogłoszeniem przez zero, że zrywa z nim współpracę. Here you're saying that even if the allegations are true, you don't personally give a shit. Ad 4. To be specific, you made a giant post on how whiteknighting leftist idiots on TL are losing their shit, saying that ZZZero should have either ignored the backlash or not invited Rapid in the first place. Quite different from what you're saying here. | ||
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ShadPro
Poland28 Posts
On December 15 2023 01:46 maybenexttime wrote: What trash talk? What did I say that is factually incorrect? " It's not just misogynists, the forum is full of far-right supporters, anti-vaxxers, people supporting Russia, etc." Unless you have any facts, which should would could show frequent behavior of this nature by majority of users. I can make an equally retarded statement like this about TLnet. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
On December 15 2023 07:26 ShadPro wrote: " It's not just misogynists, the forum is full of far-right supporters, anti-vaxxers, people supporting Russia, etc." Unless you have any facts, which should would could show frequent behavior of this nature by majority of users. I can make an equally retarded statement like this about TLnet. I mean you really can’t seriously make that accusation about TL. Well you can but nobody with basic observational faculties would take it remotely seriously. | ||
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ShadPro
Poland28 Posts
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ShadPro
Poland28 Posts
On December 15 2023 07:33 WombaT wrote: I mean you really can’t seriously make that accusation about TL. Well you can but nobody with basic observational faculties would take it remotely seriously. I didn't say THAT accusation, I said EQUALLY retarded - meaning a generalisation based on a single, controversial subject. And if you want to find antivaxxers and such I am sure you can find some in the 80k us politics topics. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
On December 15 2023 07:34 ShadPro wrote: The thing I find the most bizarre is multiple people saying that there is solid evidence, multiple women confirmed it and it is impossible for them not to be 100% truthful. All of it whilst it literally happened on HUNDREDS of occasions within the last 3 years in pop culture - I am not saying it did here, but stop being so naive rofl What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
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des
United States507 Posts
On December 15 2023 07:34 ShadPro wrote: The thing I find the most bizarre is multiple people saying that there is solid evidence, multiple women confirmed it and it is impossible for them not to be 100% truthful. All of it whilst it literally happened on HUNDREDS of occasions within the last 3 years in pop culture - I am not saying it did here, but stop being so naive rofl What are the hundreds of occasions. Or like...ten, that should be easy to come up with if there's hundreds. | ||
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WolFix
Poland41 Posts
On December 15 2023 06:52 maybenexttime wrote: Ad 1. If this were an isolated case, I would've agreed with you that there was a chance it's a false accusation. But Rapid got kicked out from two (three? did he get kicked out from SC2 as well?) communities independently after several girls/women accused him of sexual harassment and/or being a creep. What's more likely - that he was being a creep or that there's some grand conspiracy to ruin his life? Ad 2. I didn't call you specifically an incel. Just the general vibe at NetWars. In the thread I linked most people are staunchly defending sexual harassment. If you go to other threads, there's quite a lot of redpill talking points. Ad 3. Post #90: The guy was sending unsolicited dick photos to girls, including minors, which according to you is something normal people don't have an issue with. Post #84: Here you're saying that even if the allegations are true, you don't personally give a shit. Ad 4. To be specific, you made a giant post on how whiteknighting leftist idiots on TL are losing their shit, saying that ZZZero should have either ignored the backlash or not invited Rapid in the first place. Quite different from what you're saying here. 1: I have no idea of his full history of being kicked out from various communities except i heard other ppl saying so. Basically, I dont know the details. Like I said. Not giving any explanations is only doing him harm from the very beginning of this case. 2: Sure, but thats is so stupid of an argument. I can say the same and tell u that i think the less contacts the guy had with women overall the more likely they are to whiteknight on the internet. I dont think following "redpill" is inherently bad. Its surely better than threating women like saint beings that never lie. 3: About #90: No. I wasnt exactly having in mind sending dick pics to random ppl. Im just very sceptical about the stories being fully true and him being the pure evil. Its not a rare thing that girl is flirting with a guy and then making a creep out of him. Of course if he confessed Id look at it differently and maybe he did all these things and he is guilty and thats why he doesnt say a word, but I simply _dont know_. Rus_Brain in #91 also said that Rapid gave them explanations/statement offline and they accepted it I guess? Im myself curious about that. About #84. You are twisting my words there. I didnt say that if it is true then i dont give a fuck. I said I dont give a fuck right now, because in my eyes there are no proofs which is something i already explained in various posts. 4: Yeah and in the same post I also said how it was Rapid and _organizers_ fault for letting him cast. Its not different from what im saying here at all. And i still stand by my thoughts I had back then about zero that he should never let him cast in the first place or he should let him continue. Back then I didnt know that Zero kinda didnt know/let him cast by mistake. Nobody really thought that this is happening without explicit approval from Zero. Now ofc, knowing that it wasnt conscious decision, I think he did right by not letting him cast on day 2 and 3. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5711 Posts
On December 15 2023 07:26 ShadPro wrote: " It's not just misogynists, the forum is full of far-right supporters, anti-vaxxers, people supporting Russia, etc." Unless you have any facts, which should would could show frequent behavior of this nature by majority of users. I can make an equally retarded statement like this about TLnet. Give me a fucking break... The Bombastic anniversary thread is full of people either defending sexual harassment or saying it's not a big deal, all the while shitting on "western leftist idiots from TL". Open a random political discussion thread and it's typically a shitshow with far-right idiots running amok. In the most recent one, there's a whole lot of people defending Braun's antisemitic attack. Not to mention the blatantly antisemitic language which nobody seems to even notice ("aj waje", "pejsaci", "zydki"). As for the pandemic, there's a poll in which 40% said they did not get the vaccine. I can't be bothered to look up the threads. I had a look yesterday and conspiratorial nonsense was rather rampant. As for the war in Ukraine, Kremlin shills seem to be in the minority, but there's quite a few of them for a country where some 99% of the population has a negative opinion on Russia. | ||
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ShadPro
Poland28 Posts
On December 15 2023 08:12 maybenexttime wrote: Give me a fucking break... The Bombastic anniversary thread is full of people either defending sexual harassment or saying it's not a big deal, all the while shitting on "western leftist idiots from TL". Open a random political discussion thread and it's typically a shitshow with far-right idiots running amok. In the most recent one, there's a whole lot of people defending Braun's antisemitic attack. Not to mention the blatantly antisemitic language which nobody seems to even notice ("aj waje", "pejsaci", "zydki"). As for the pandemic, there's a poll in which 40% said they did not get the vaccine. I can't be bothered to look up the threads. I had a look yesterday and conspiratorial nonsense was rather rampant. As for the war in Ukraine, Kremlin shills seem to be in the minority, but there's quite a few of them for a country where some 99% of the population has a negative opinion on Russia. Please quote the "the full of people". Counted 3 across 200 posts. I don't read politics threads, but I believe that there is a party in the parliament which maybe didn't publicly support it but most of it's voters do, and it has over 7% of seats. How does that compare to your figures? Or is it 3 people as well. People don't usually get banned there for insults, hence the language. Not getting the vaccine doesn't mean you are an antivaxxer either, once again an opinion based on making incorrect assumptions based on micro data set. Looks like you are very eagerly trying to prove something to yourself. Generalising, insulting, cherry picking. | ||
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