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On December 15 2023 07:34 ShadPro wrote:
The thing I find the most bizarre is multiple people saying that there is solid evidence, multiple women confirmed it and it is impossible for them not to be 100% truthful. All of it whilst it literally happened on HUNDREDS of occasions within the last 3 years in pop culture - I am not saying it did here, but stop being so naive rofl
Okay. Many of my DIRECT FRIENDS that I KNOW have said this about Rapid.
There is literally no reason to lie about an insignificant caster like Rapid who casts tournaments to 100 people. Even if there was, it’s ridiculously stupid to think tons of women saying the same thing are all lying for your stupid conspiracy idea.
The logic that you men come up with to think women are lying to protect what, rapid? The dude who doesn’t play brood war and has self-resigned himself to the void?
How much do you people hate women, my god
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On December 15 2023 07:34 ShadPro wrote:
The thing I find the most bizarre is multiple people saying that there is solid evidence, multiple women confirmed it and it is impossible for them not to be 100% truthful. All of it whilst it literally happened on HUNDREDS of occasions within the last 3 years in pop culture - I am not saying it did here, but stop being so naive rofl
I agree that false allegations are serious and people who make them about serious matters like sexual abuse or grooming or whatever it maybe be should be punished. But Rapid never even made an attempt to make a response denying allegations or post chat logs or some sort of proof of his innocence. He ran away, why? These women never had to post 100% proof because Rapid went silent, he was probably smart enough to realize if he denied it they’d come at him with enough proof to bury him even more, embarrass him more than he already was and make him an obvious liar. I don’t know why you keep repeating this whole “women make false claims in these situations often” type of argument when Rapid never even tried to deny the allegations or defend himself.
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On December 15 2023 11:27 SchAmToo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2023 07:34 ShadPro wrote:
The thing I find the most bizarre is multiple people saying that there is solid evidence, multiple women confirmed it and it is impossible for them not to be 100% truthful. All of it whilst it literally happened on HUNDREDS of occasions within the last 3 years in pop culture - I am not saying it did here, but stop being so naive rofl Okay. Many of my DIRECT FRIENDS that I KNOW have said this about Rapid. There is literally no reason to lie about an insignificant caster like Rapid who casts tournaments to 100 people. Even if there was, it’s ridiculously stupid to think tons of women saying the same thing are all lying for your stupid conspiracy idea. The logic that you men come up with to think women are lying to protect what, rapid? The dude who doesn’t play brood war and has self-resigned himself to the void? How much do you people hate women, my god
Can you please go into specifics or more details on this if anything comes to mind: Okay. Many of my DIRECT FRIENDS that I KNOW have said this about Rapid. ?
I assume he was not on anyone's radar before the Day 1 casting, so it's been a long time since any of this has been discussed.
Thank you
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On December 15 2023 11:27 SchAmToo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2023 07:34 ShadPro wrote:
The thing I find the most bizarre is multiple people saying that there is solid evidence, multiple women confirmed it and it is impossible for them not to be 100% truthful. All of it whilst it literally happened on HUNDREDS of occasions within the last 3 years in pop culture - I am not saying it did here, but stop being so naive rofl Okay. Many of my DIRECT FRIENDS that I KNOW have said this about Rapid. There is literally no reason to lie about an insignificant caster like Rapid who casts tournaments to 100 people. Even if there was, it’s ridiculously stupid to think tons of women saying the same thing are all lying for your stupid conspiracy idea. The logic that you men come up with to think women are lying to protect what, rapid? The dude who doesn’t play brood war and has self-resigned himself to the void? How much do you people hate women, my god
Well that's terrible man, give us some more details, unless you are expecting us to just once again take your word for it.
I not once stated that anyone lies either. In such cases your perception of words and actions can grow different over time. You only now may see an issue with something that happened years ago, which is fine. Or you may be driven into such conclusion by group conformity, whether to stand up for your peers, or to feel heard, or you want publicity. Once again, no one is protecting Rapid. I am just asking for a single piece of tangible evidence in the era of Internet, which I haven't seen yet.
The guy's conclusion is "you hate women".
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They’re at the top of the topic.
https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/560609-harassment-abuse-in-starcraft-2
Allaryce and Theresa Gaffney are my friends. I have heard other stories offline that I cannot share.
And to be clear, I’ve hung out with Reid in person many times. I have had him cast with me. But when I heard these many stories from people I trust it instantly clicked and made sense why he has a weird off aura about him.
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The fact that Reid/Rapid has been both absent and radio silent for years and then has made a sudden unannounced return to casting SC without addressing a single one of the allegations has raised a number of eyebrows at the very least.
If I were in his shoes, and if I had a valid reason to remain silent for years and leave the SC community, and if I wanted to return back to casting SC, then I'd make absolutely damn sure that any potential "witch hunt" would be completely suffocated so that I couldn't be immediately driven out of the community (in quite a humiliating fashion). I'd make myself heard and address every single one of the serious allegations, that's the most logical thing to do. I wouldn't silently sneak back into casting (a behavior, by the way, that is consistent with the allegations of sexual/romantic manipulation, handling the SC community at large in a similarly manipulative and ignorant way). In Reid's shoes, I would also certainly not remain silent after the allegations were brought back up (as they are now).
So with a reputation to defend, Reid's actions don't add up if he's innocent. Not saying that he is guilty, just saying that his actions make it very hard to believe that he isn't.
After reading all of the publicly available allegations I don't think I have enough evidence to strictly call him guilty (as per the standard of a court, including a civil court), but I think there's enough for him to remain banned until he comes out with his side of the story. In fact at this point maintaining the ban is doing him a favor, I'd argue. Reid is practically destroying his own reputation by staying silent about the allegations while at the same time attempting to return to casting.
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Maybe not related but where I can watch the Day 1 casting of the LAN?
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Thanks! I hear Saiyan's voice. I assume the 2nd commentator was Rapid?
There were only 2 commentators for the first day right?
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On December 15 2023 11:27 SchAmToo wrote:
How much do you people hate women, my god
Just spare yourself the effort and don't bother delving on the topic. Now, it just so happened that I'm seeing a Californian girl and she's a wonderful person. My point is that she developed this inexplicable liking towards me and she wants to improve my deprived character. So she's constantly accusing me of misogyny when I speak or act. Now I'm way more conscious about it and I see how she's right and I'm slowly making changes yet she has just scratched the surface. Maybe not all bulgarian men are like me, idk. I just think making online people aware of their own misogyny is like Sisyphus' efforts. I'm off and I wish you all the best. 
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
On December 15 2023 18:33 SchAmToo wrote:They’re at the top of the topic. https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/560609-harassment-abuse-in-starcraft-2Allaryce and Theresa Gaffney are my friends. I have heard other stories offline that I cannot share. And to be clear, I’ve hung out with Reid in person many times. I have had him cast with me. But when I heard these many stories from people I trust it instantly clicked and made sense why he has a weird off aura about him.
It was exactly the same for me as well. I know exactly how you feel here for sure.
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Russian Federation1893 Posts
A very complex topic indeed!
I commend the TL collective for raising and emphasizing the issue, and I genuinely believe that a solution is at hand. I apologize for not being able to interject and offer comments during the intense discussion stage earlier, as I had other pressing matters to attend to. This LAN occurred amidst a busy festive schedule and followed several business trips.
Having thoroughly reviewed the topic, I must admit that a significant portion of its elements are beyond my comprehension. This could be attributed to the complexity of the subject, mutex statements, differences in culture and mindset, or my lack of experience living in an English-speaking country. Consequently, I may lack knowledge of modern trends and terminology used here that are not related to my academic studies or business field.
I would ask the team, which has already invested a considerable amount of time in research and statements earlier, to put forth a smal additional effort and consider scheduling a meeting with anyone proper and fit who can contribute to developing a robust solution with me. Such a person might then provide a success report to the public. Please PM me via the most expedient messenger.
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United States42374 Posts
Why? Why do you care so much? He can’t cast and he uses any platform you give him to harass women. It’s not a cultural issue, it’s just common sense. If he was a shepherd who couldn’t keep track of his sheep and kept showing people his dick you’d not keep trying to give him more. If he was a construction worker who did shoddy work while jerking off at people you’d not keep hiring him for jobs.
I refuse to believe that in Russian culture you give people jobs that they’re bad at as long as they also harass women at work.
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Russian Federation1893 Posts
Indeed! I inferred that this matter have already been discussed sufficiently in 2020 during the RCG period, but it's possible that the concept was miscommunicated. Regarding the Thai Lan incident, it's possible that allowing access to a microphone may have been a negligence.
The main objective here is to proactively address any future issues stemming from these fundamental differences. However, I believe that the most productive approach would be to have a face-to-face discussion rather than engaging in keyboard fightings.
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United States10106 Posts
Cut the crap Rus. This is just feigning ignorance and belittling the whole situation. We already know how you feel about it evidenced by your true thoughts over on NW.
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As a native Russian speaker who is fluent in English and has significant exposure to both cultures, I am more than willing to present the most pertinent arguments presented to Rus_Brain in a way that is both linguistically and culturally cognizant, with a recording of said conversation, if there is ample interest in that happening.
Based on the responses so far, that doesn't seem to be the case, but if others think it may be helpful, feel free to indicate so here. A brief list of summarized points about the issue - presented as if explaining the issue to a child, "ELI5" style - would be helpful, as I don't want to put my own words into the situation. My aim would be to try to be an unbiased interpreter/translator, despite my own already-vocalized thoughts on the matter.
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Kwark said what everyone was thinking so end of discussion.
Change your policy about rapid or be boycotted its that simple.
Aint noone gonna donate to harass women.
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Russians aren't familiar with American cancel culture.
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United States10106 Posts
It's not even "cancel" culture. It's accountability. Why is this so hard of a concept to grasp?
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EPT
