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Which was the first Race ?

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Leonix
Profile Joined June 2019
161 Posts
October 05 2023 19:26 GMT
#1
From which Standard did they started to go to develop the other races?

I would think Terran since they seem the most basic RTS race and they are quite similar to the Warcraft 1 and 2 races in contrast to Creep needing Zerg with their flying houses or the pylon network of the Protoss.

Also the original game campaign starts with Terran.

Optimate
Profile Joined August 2020
247 Posts
October 05 2023 20:17 GMT
#2
Xel`Naga. They created all the other races.
Xeofreestyler
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Belgium6768 Posts
October 05 2023 21:29 GMT
#3
I'd say judging by the only alpha screenshot's I've seen it's actually zerg?

https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/StarCraft_alpha
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Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-05 21:52:13
October 05 2023 21:41 GMT
#4
I think terran is the first fully realized race Blizzard made, zerg and protoss were ideas that were included in the campaign. Then zerg was made, then protoss. The races were made in the order of the campaign. Blizzard was inspired by 40k, Alien, and Starship Troopers. So Terran and Zerg were the natural two races, Space marines vs Tyranids, Humans vs Xenomorphs, and Terrans vs Arachnids. Protoss was made last and was a little more original concept.

As far a lore, I think Xel'Naga made the protoss probably older than terrans, then terrans discover zerg before the protoss, so zerg is likely younger than terran. So P is the oldest, then terran and the youngest would be zerg. You might think in the Zerus the birthplace of zerg would be ancient, but zerg probably evolved very quickly.
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Leonix
Profile Joined June 2019
161 Posts
October 06 2023 14:22 GMT
#5
On October 06 2023 06:29 Xeofreestyler wrote:
I'd say judging by the only alpha screenshot's I've seen it's actually zerg?

https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/StarCraft_alpha

As i remembered, they actually kind of remade the whole game after "Space in orcs", so wouldnt the races kind of be totally different to the original Warcraft 2 engine/ campaign editor...
And they also did some change after that, no? We had the Starcraft in the Diablo engine and they also changed the engine or something there. Hard to say how much was left from the Original Warcraft 2 expansion game orcs in the back hole.

Also there are far more screen shoots from that game, like minerals asteroids with intercepters and stuff flying around, etc.
Leonix
Profile Joined June 2019
161 Posts
October 06 2023 14:34 GMT
#6
On October 06 2023 06:41 Mutaller wrote:
I think terran is the first fully realized race Blizzard made, zerg and protoss were ideas that were included in the campaign. Then zerg was made, then protoss. The races were made in the order of the campaign. Blizzard was inspired by 40k, Alien, and Starship Troopers. So Terran and Zerg were the natural two races, Space marines vs Tyranids, Humans vs Xenomorphs, and Terrans vs Arachnids. Protoss was made last and was a little more original concept.

As far a lore, I think Xel'Naga made the protoss probably older than terrans, then terrans discover zerg before the protoss, so zerg is likely younger than terran. So P is the oldest, then terran and the youngest would be zerg. You might think in the Zerus the birthplace of zerg would be ancient, but zerg probably evolved very quickly.



Terran definitely plays very similar to the previous games warcraft 1 and 2 that are very similar to starcraft 1. Dont forget Babylon 5 Zerg= Shadows, Protoss= Vorlons, i mean the Guardians literally look like their ships even the shadows itself are not so far from hydras, And the vorlon ships and some of the clothing looks a bit like Protoss. ,etc.

The thing is many units and things from the warcraft 1 and warcraft 2 look or feel the similar to some units. Like the basic unit of warcraft 1 is like zealot...
That is why it is hard to say really...
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-06 19:53:25
October 06 2023 19:50 GMT
#7
On October 06 2023 06:29 Xeofreestyler wrote:
I'd say judging by the only alpha screenshot's I've seen it's actually zerg?

https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/StarCraft_alpha

According to this wiki Terran was developed first, then Zerg and Protoss were developed concurrently. Zerg development took more time than Protoss as Blizzard spent a lot of effort to get the look right.
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LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1417 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-09 08:55:55
October 09 2023 08:54 GMT
#8
On October 07 2023 04:50 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2023 06:29 Xeofreestyler wrote:
I'd say judging by the only alpha screenshot's I've seen it's actually zerg?

https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/StarCraft_alpha

According to this wiki Terran was developed first, then Zerg and Protoss were developed concurrently. Zerg development took more time than Protoss as Blizzard spent a lot of effort to get the look right.


Where does it say that exactly? The link you provided does not even mention Terran!!!

"The zerg race was originally known as the "Zurg."[2][3] The name was changed to "nightmare invaders"[4][5] (sometimes spelled "nightmarish invaders")[6][7] soon after, due to a copyright claim by Disney. It was finally changed to "zerg."[8]"

This is a much more comprehensive article on the matter and I don't see a mention of which one was developed first.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarCraft_(video_game)

It DOES appear to be Nightmare Invaders (later Zerg) but I don't see any evidence pointing to Terran.

Also if it's not P it's funny because: Protos means "first," derived from the ancient Greek πρῶτος.

Please cite actual sources and links not just conjectures!

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Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
October 09 2023 17:04 GMT
#9
On October 09 2023 17:54 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2023 04:50 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On October 06 2023 06:29 Xeofreestyler wrote:
I'd say judging by the only alpha screenshot's I've seen it's actually zerg?

https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/StarCraft_alpha

According to this wiki Terran was developed first, then Zerg and Protoss were developed concurrently. Zerg development took more time than Protoss as Blizzard spent a lot of effort to get the look right.


Where does it say that exactly? The link you provided does not even mention Terran!!!

"The zerg race was originally known as the "Zurg."[2][3] The name was changed to "nightmare invaders"[4][5] (sometimes spelled "nightmarish invaders")[6][7] soon after, due to a copyright claim by Disney. It was finally changed to "zerg."[8]"

This is a much more comprehensive article on the matter and I don't see a mention of which one was developed first.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarCraft_(video_game)

It DOES appear to be Nightmare Invaders (later Zerg) but I don't see any evidence pointing to Terran.

Also if it's not P it's funny because: Protos means "first," derived from the ancient Greek πρῶτος.

Please cite actual sources and links not just conjectures!



I deleted twitter, best just to ask Chris Metzen himself. https://twitter.com/ChrisMetzen

I would ask in what order were the race ideas came about, and then what races got their tech tree first.
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4975 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-09 22:17:30
October 09 2023 22:15 GMT
#10


Just ask there lol, also no surprise this dude is into wh40k.
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Sd13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Vietnam185 Posts
October 10 2023 04:17 GMT
#11
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/12/03/20-years-of-starcraft-an-ign-retrospective

“Terran were the first and easiest to make,” Rob tells me, when discussing the three iconic playable races – Terran, Zerg, and Protoss - that would be playable in both the StarCraft campaign and the multiplayer component.
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LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1417 Posts
October 10 2023 06:59 GMT
#12
On October 10 2023 13:17 Sd13 wrote:
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/12/03/20-years-of-starcraft-an-ign-retrospective

Show nested quote +
“Terran were the first and easiest to make,” Rob tells me, when discussing the three iconic playable races – Terran, Zerg, and Protoss - that would be playable in both the StarCraft campaign and the multiplayer component.


That's the one I was looking for. So Tesagi are the Protos.
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Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
October 10 2023 15:13 GMT
#13
On October 10 2023 13:17 Sd13 wrote:
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/12/03/20-years-of-starcraft-an-ign-retrospective

Show nested quote +
“Terran were the first and easiest to make,” Rob tells me, when discussing the three iconic playable races – Terran, Zerg, and Protoss - that would be playable in both the StarCraft campaign and the multiplayer component.


They continue to say zerg was late in development and had the most revisions. So it is actually Terran Protoss then Zerg. I do think the idea of Zerg was easy, like 40k or alien, but the look of the race was probably hard to make original looking bugs
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
October 12 2023 01:50 GMT
#14
On October 09 2023 17:54 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2023 04:50 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On October 06 2023 06:29 Xeofreestyler wrote:
I'd say judging by the only alpha screenshot's I've seen it's actually zerg?

https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/StarCraft_alpha

According to this wiki Terran was developed first, then Zerg and Protoss were developed concurrently. Zerg development took more time than Protoss as Blizzard spent a lot of effort to get the look right.


Where does it say that exactly? The link you provided does not even mention Terran!!!

"The zerg race was originally known as the "Zurg."[2][3] The name was changed to "nightmare invaders"[4][5] (sometimes spelled "nightmarish invaders")[6][7] soon after, due to a copyright claim by Disney. It was finally changed to "zerg."[8]"

This is a much more comprehensive article on the matter and I don't see a mention of which one was developed first.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarCraft_(video_game)

It DOES appear to be Nightmare Invaders (later Zerg) but I don't see any evidence pointing to Terran.

Also if it's not P it's funny because: Protos means "first," derived from the ancient Greek πρῶτος.

Please cite actual sources and links not just conjectures!


https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Zerg#Development
The zerg were developed concurrently alongside the protoss.[138] However, the zerg underwent more revision than their counterpart in the original game; Blizzard frequently let its artists hold "jam sessions" to find the right look for the creatures. The hydralisk became the basis for the zerg after its reveal, namely that the zerg would be a purely organic race, with the look and feel being "hard chitinous plates and supple muscular flesh with lots of sharp points."[133]

https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Terran#Development
The idea of humans being in StarCraft was present from the outset,[65] and were the first race developed for the game.[42] However, the developers didn't want to do the "Galactic Good Guys" trope, instead going with "Surly Space Cowboys That Were Prisoners,"[65] otherwise referred to as being "akin to the outlaws of the Old West, except in power armor and rocking gauss rifles."[66]
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