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Two new ladder maps, and thank Scarlett!

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Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-31 14:06:54
August 29 2023 19:20 GMT
#1
EDIT x2: Scarlett got us a ladder update, which includes 6 new maps (previously just 2) and a map update for polypoid. The pool now includes the ASL map pool as well as Vermeer and FS.
Thank you Scarlett for using your connections to help keep the broodwar legacy alive.

(2) Invader1.0
(2) Neo Dark Origin 2.0
(3) Apocalypse_1.32
(4) Fighting_Spirit_1.3
(4) La Campanella 1.1
(4) Polypoid 1.75
(4) Retro1.2
(4) Tempest 1.1
(4) Vermeer SE_2.1
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/starcraft/t/new-ladder-map-pool-update-–-august-29/3388

Scarlett's replies to eonzerg's thread asking for a new season and maps below.
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On August 15 2023 23:02 Scarlett` wrote:
Were they updated in the end ?


On August 16 2023 08:14 Scarlett` wrote:


ill see what i can do


On August 29 2023 16:06 Scarlett` wrote:
should be coming soon


"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3351 Posts
August 29 2023 19:30 GMT
#2
a legend, Scarlett deserves a front page banner! Thank you!!
Horang2 fan
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8085 Posts
August 29 2023 19:54 GMT
#3
Awesome! Does Scarlett work at Blizzard? Or just have connects there?
Free Palestine
Hyperturtle
Profile Joined October 2012
United States6 Posts
August 29 2023 20:15 GMT
#4
My understanding is that Scarlett has some contacts within Blizzard's Classic Games division. She's previously figured out balance changes for them to implement in SC2.
Twinkle, twinkle little Starcraft
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3677 Posts
August 29 2023 20:40 GMT
#5
This is amazing news. Pretty sure scarlett got the map changes last year going as well.
Truly a hero of bw!
ZZZero.O
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland1499 Posts
August 29 2023 21:19 GMT
#6
Thank you Scarlett!!
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4980 Posts
August 29 2023 21:22 GMT
#7
Kinda ironic we need a SC2 player to make sure BW isn´t completely neglected lol
Anyway. Thank you!
FBH #1!
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
517 Posts
August 29 2023 21:37 GMT
#8
thanks scarlett you are a good person
JAEDONG...!!! EFFORT IS ANGRY. ZERG...?!
FyRe_DragOn
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada2056 Posts
August 30 2023 00:16 GMT
#9
thank you scarlett !! FULL new ASL map pool this is great
aka DragOn[NaS]
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States859 Posts
August 30 2023 06:09 GMT
#10
Kinda weird that scarlett is the only one who can influence changes while the majority of playerbase is in korea and all the influential figures as well. weirdest disconnect i've seen lol
Life is just life
BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1166 Posts
August 30 2023 06:35 GMT
#11
The most weird disconnect is that blizzard's 'customer support' people are not even employees of the company. They are the ppl who are in contact with the people who bring you money ffs.

It's like the company is driven by volunteer's, not even interns nowadays.


Long live Scarlett!!
Leader of the Bulgarian National SCBW/SC2 team and team pSi.SCBW/SC2
hgfhtrtzrfg
Profile Joined August 2023
3 Posts
August 30 2023 08:30 GMT
#12
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JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria408 Posts
August 30 2023 10:36 GMT
#13
On August 30 2023 17:30 hgfhtrtzrfg wrote:
Does korea need new maps? Does the majority (whoever that is) need new maps?


Obviously the answer to both questions is a resounding "yes." Do you need arguments? Might surprise you but streamers and progamers alike play maps other than Fighting spirit and Circuit breakers. Every ASL map pools are different and yet you come here thinking the community doesn't need or enjoy seeing new maps? BW is an entertainment and by now it's well established that new maps refresh the viewer experience, bring novelty and introduce more ambiguity in the gameplay. How can we not need new maps? That is, I think, a far better question that the ones you raised.
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hgfhtrtzrfg
Profile Joined August 2023
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-30 10:54:07
August 30 2023 10:49 GMT
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7954 Posts
August 30 2023 11:02 GMT
#15
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2638 Posts
August 30 2023 11:17 GMT
#16
Seems like some users probably Koreans are not happy with a full ASL map pool. They want the likes of FS, Vermeer, Sylphid which are newbie friendly. Can't disagree with that though.

I wonder why they can't have 10 maps in the pool? Problem solved.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
August 30 2023 11:47 GMT
#17
Scarlett rules! Always liked her personality and respected her as a very high tier player of SC2.
sunbeams are never made like me...
hfgztrhffg
Profile Joined August 2023
3 Posts
August 30 2023 12:37 GMT
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hfgztrhffg
Profile Joined August 2023
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August 30 2023 12:37 GMT
#19
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4173 Posts
August 30 2023 13:43 GMT
#20
Thank You.

Thank You very much
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4173 Posts
August 30 2023 13:44 GMT
#21
still, it's hilariously sad that this is what it takes to implement the smallest of changes for this game..
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2037 Posts
August 30 2023 13:52 GMT
#22
No terran spirit in the map pool, time to retire..
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
iFU.spx
Profile Joined April 2011
Russian Federation368 Posts
August 30 2023 18:34 GMT
#23
Dont forget to thank eonzerg too
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4980 Posts
August 30 2023 18:42 GMT
#24
On August 30 2023 22:52 kogeT wrote:
No terran spirit in the map pool, time to retire..

You weren't retired already? Or just switch back to Z
FBH #1!
Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines528 Posts
August 30 2023 18:51 GMT
#25
On August 30 2023 20:17 TMNT wrote:
Seems like some users probably Koreans are not happy with a full ASL map pool. They want the likes of FS, Vermeer, Sylphid which are newbie friendly. Can't disagree with that though.

I wonder why they can't have 10 maps in the pool? Problem solved.


veto campanella and invader and you're left with pretty standard maps. sucks that vermeer is out though, was my favorite modern (4) map along with allegro
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
tec27
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States3696 Posts
August 30 2023 20:17 GMT
#26
On August 30 2023 20:17 TMNT wrote:
Seems like some users probably Koreans are not happy with a full ASL map pool. They want the likes of FS, Vermeer, Sylphid which are newbie friendly. Can't disagree with that though.

I wonder why they can't have 10 maps in the pool? Problem solved.

Veto count is hardcoded at 3 in the client (and maybe on their server as well) so at the very least you'd be asking people to learn a lot more maps than previously. It's very possible there is other logic that is hardcoded to the current map pool size as well, it's just less easily accessible than their veto UI so I am not gonna put in the work to figure that out.
Can you jam with the console cowboys in cyberspace?
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1593 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-30 21:37:47
August 30 2023 21:32 GMT
#27
No FS or Sylphid? Expect more cheese on the ladder from casual players who don't want to learn all the new maps.
If only we could see the expansions and mineral patches on the minimap like you can on ShieldBattery...
Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines528 Posts
August 30 2023 22:00 GMT
#28
VERMEER AND GOAT SPIRIT IS STILL HERE!!!! LFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2638 Posts
August 30 2023 22:30 GMT
#29
On August 31 2023 05:17 tec27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2023 20:17 TMNT wrote:
Seems like some users probably Koreans are not happy with a full ASL map pool. They want the likes of FS, Vermeer, Sylphid which are newbie friendly. Can't disagree with that though.

I wonder why they can't have 10 maps in the pool? Problem solved.

Veto count is hardcoded at 3 in the client (and maybe on their server as well) so at the very least you'd be asking people to learn a lot more maps than previously. It's very possible there is other logic that is hardcoded to the current map pool size as well, it's just less easily accessible than their veto UI so I am not gonna put in the work to figure that out.

I think they just finished the update and apparently we have a pool with 9 maps. 7 ASL maps + FS and Vermeer. Best of both worlds really.

La Campanella, Tempest and Invader to be banned mostly for sure.
art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1183 Posts
August 30 2023 22:32 GMT
#30
On August 30 2023 06:22 Peeano wrote:
Kinda ironic we need a SC2 player to make sure BW isn´t completely neglected lol
Anyway. Thank you!

We will take anything we can get no shame.
Flash should fear Sacsri
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States859 Posts
August 30 2023 22:42 GMT
#31
On August 31 2023 06:32 EndingLife wrote:
No FS or Sylphid? Expect more cheese on the ladder from casual players who don't want to learn all the new maps.
If only we could see the expansions and mineral patches on the minimap like you can on ShieldBattery...


Good that they replaced those bad maps with good ones. Retro/Neo Dark origin/Poly 1.75 are far better than those outdated. Sylphid was abysmal ~30% win rate for zergs and FS was very oudated with left side mineral structures
Life is just life
ZakRoM
Profile Joined December 2018
Costa Rica54 Posts
August 30 2023 22:43 GMT
#32
only 3 bans, now we have to pick between playing one of the new shitty ASL maps or Fighting Spirit, why...
banga_ph
Profile Joined March 2007
Philippines45 Posts
August 31 2023 02:31 GMT
#33
Nice to finally have a new map pool!
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4173 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-31 07:31:50
August 31 2023 07:30 GMT
#34
On August 31 2023 07:43 ZakRoM wrote:
only 3 bans, now we have to pick between playing one of the new shitty ASL maps or Fighting Spirit, why...

literally the best map pool we've ever had and people still bitch and moan avout it.. amazing xD

you deserve Bli$$ard's mistreatment, honestly.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
hgfzutrhfgrt
Profile Joined August 2023
1 Post
August 31 2023 08:14 GMT
#35
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ghftrhzhfgerw
Profile Joined August 2023
1 Post
Last Edited: 2023-08-31 08:36:45
August 31 2023 08:36 GMT
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Volka
Profile Joined December 2010
Argentina408 Posts
August 31 2023 15:59 GMT
#37
THANK YOU!
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4126 Posts
August 31 2023 16:24 GMT
#38
Awesome thanks Scarlett!!!

Can't really complain about this map pool, you have FS, Polypoid, Vermeer, Retro and 2 other 4 player maps as standard maps. Maybe Sylphid could have been inside but that's just nitpicking. You also have new maps for players who are bored of the old ones.

As a Terran player the 2 player maps are auto-vetoed though lol
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6985 Posts
August 31 2023 19:55 GMT
#39
Seems a great map pool. Thanks Scarlett.
Game[GTB]
Profile Joined November 2020
Canada47 Posts
August 31 2023 22:29 GMT
#40
i cant find the maps anywhere in maps folder. how can we play them without going on the ladder.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6547 Posts
August 31 2023 22:39 GMT
#41
On September 01 2023 07:29 Game[GTB] wrote:
i cant find the maps anywhere in maps folder. how can we play them without going on the ladder.

I actually put them on mediafire in case devs needed it. https://www.mediafire.com/file/ugy8dh29pkhue22/ASL16.zip/file
hope it helps
tec27
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States3696 Posts
September 01 2023 05:01 GMT
#42
On September 01 2023 07:29 Game[GTB] wrote:
i cant find the maps anywhere in maps folder. how can we play them without going on the ladder.

They didn't release a patch for this, so they can't update the folder in the usual location (or pre-distribute the maps). The maps will get downloaded as you play on them, to:

My Documents\Starcraft\maps\ladder
Can you jam with the console cowboys in cyberspace?
Dakota_Fanning *
Profile Joined January 2008
Hungary2348 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-01 16:41:25
September 01 2023 09:51 GMT
#43
More than 2 days have passed since the release of the new map pool, if anyone's interested, here are the initial balance stats for the new ladder maps.

Map list: https://repmastered.app/maps?maps=Invader 1.0, Neo Dark Origin 2.0, Apocalypse 1.32, La Campanella 1.1, Polypoid 1.75, Retro 1.2, Tempest 1.1

You can find more, up-to-date stats if you follow the links.

Polypoid 1.75 Included games: 7,816; excluded: 3,406
Race	Plays	Plays%	Record		Win%	AvgAPM	AvgEAPM	Redun.	∑Time	AvgLen
P	6,284	40%	3,112-2,985-187	51%	219	163	25%	61d17h	14:08
Z 4,879 31% 2,355-2,366-158 50% 228 162 29% 42d14h 12:34
T 4,469 29% 2,108-2,224-137 49% 240 174 28% 45d12h 14:40

Matchup	Games	Games%	Record		Win%	AvgLen
PvZ	2,302	29%	1,129-1,094-79	51%	14:42
PvT 2,110 27% 1,069-977-64 52% 16:16
TvZ 1,519 19% 723-747-49 49% 13:29


Retro 1.2 Included games: 7,630; excluded: 3,651
Race	Plays	Plays%	Record		Win%	AvgAPM	AvgEAPM	Redun.	∑Time	AvgLen
P	6,081	40%	2,886-3,006-189	49%	220	163	26%	55d11h	13:08
Z 4,778 31% 2,382-2,245-151 51% 231 164 29% 39d3h 11:48
T 4,403 29% 2,123-2,140-140 50% 239 173 28% 43d7h 14:10

Matchup	Games	Games%	Record		Win%	AvgLen
PvZ	2,162	28%	1,000-1,089-73	48%	13:39
PvT 2,085 27% 994-1,025-66 49% 15:32
TvZ 1,525 20% 711-759-55 48% 13:00


Neo Dark Origin 2.0 Included games: 5,012; excluded: 2,224
Race	Plays	Plays%	Record		Win%	AvgAPM	AvgEAPM	Redun.	∑Time	AvgLen
P	4,306	43%	2,128-2,049-129	51%	221	166	25%	38d10h	12:51
Z 3,262 33% 1,615-1,555-92 51% 231 164 29% 27d12h 12:08
T 2,456 25% 1,117-1,256-83 47% 236 172 27% 23d 13:29

Matchup	Games	Games%	Record		Win%	AvgLen
PvZ	1,601	32%	760-802-39	49%	14:13
PvT 1,177 23% 631-510-36 55% 14:39
TvZ 855 17% 399-417-39 49% 13:07


La Campanella 1.1 Included games: 4,751; excluded: 2,524
Race	Plays	Plays%	Record		Win%	AvgAPM	AvgEAPM	Redun.	∑Time	AvgLen
P	3,642	38%	1,719-1,797-126	49%	208	156	25%	32d22h	13:01
T 2,955 31% 1,428-1,426-101 50% 235 170 28% 27d18h 13:31
Z 2,905 31% 1,437-1,361-107 51% 220 158 28% 24d 11:53


Matchup	Games	Games%	Record		Win%	AvgLen
PvT	1,327	28%	662-623-42	52%	14:59
PvZ 1,301 27% 571-688-42 45% 13:57
TvZ 962 20% 482-441-39 52% 12:37


Apocalypse 1.32 Included games: 3,861; excluded: 2,027
Race	Plays	Plays%	Record		Win%	AvgAPM	AvgEAPM	Redun.	∑Time	AvgLen
P	3,197	41%	1,592-1,511-94	51%	222	164	26%	27d3h	12:13
Z 2,367 31% 1,196-1,094-77 52% 229 164 29% 18d15h 11:20
T 2,158 28% 953-1,136-69 46% 238 171 28% 19d12h 13:02

Matchup	Games	Games%	Record		Win%	AvgLen
PvZ	1,104	29%	487-584-33	45%	13:12
PvT 1,043 27% 593-415-35 59% 14:10
TvZ 701 18% 336-341-24 50% 12:14


Tempest 1.1 Included games: 3,749; excluded: 1,969
Race	Plays	Plays%	Record		Win%	AvgAPM	AvgEAPM	Redun.	∑Time	AvgLen
P	2,942	39%	1,435-1,418-89	50%	205	154	25%	27d2h	13:16
Z 2,537 34% 1,285-1,182-70 52% 222 157 29% 21d2h 11:58
T 2,020 27% 920-1,040-60 47% 228 166 27% 18d23h 13:31

Matchup	Games	Games%	Record		Win%	AvgLen
PvZ	1,130	30%	539-561-30	49%	14:32
PvT 920 25% 462-423-35 52% 14:54
TvZ 750 20% 322-403-25 44% 12:43


Invader 1.0 Included games: 3,350; excluded: 1,617
Race	Plays	Plays%	Record		Win%	AvgAPM	AvgEAPM	Redun.	∑Time	AvgLen
P	2,863	43%	1,402-1,389-72	50%	217	163	25%	25d4h	12:40
Z 2,108 31% 1,072-981-55 52% 228 162 29% 17d1h 11:38
T 1,729 26% 789-893-47 47% 232 170 27% 16d7h 13:34

Matchup	Games	Games%	Record		Win%	AvgLen
PvZ	1,001	30%	443-533-25	45%	13:35
PvT 854 25% 467-364-23 56% 15:02
TvZ 589 18% 287-288-14 50% 12:32
https://repmastered.icza.net
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
September 01 2023 16:58 GMT
#44
Thanks Scarlett!! MVP
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