Mr. ZZZero. O, please consider my proposal for BSL - Page 2

On March 30 2023 04:56 Diggity wrote:
In a perfect world foreigners would be able to sustain themselves as professional broodwar players outside of Korea. In that scenario what you propose would be valid. As it stands the only location where individuals are able to play broodwar as their full time job is Korea. Asking amateurs to out compete full time paid professionals in any field is a large ask. I would expect a decline in already dwindling foreigner participation if Korean pros were allowed to participate in BSL.

I would love to see a future where people can play broodwar professionally world wide. In order to see that future there needs to be an expanded audience and player base. In order to expand viewership and the player base there needs to be a larger and healthier foreigner community. BSL helps incentivize this in the foreigner community by providing a sheltered environment.

If Korean pros want to participate in BSL, my suggestion would be to engage with the foreigner community so that the level of play rises such that foreigner participation would be competitive despite Korean involvement. In other words, have a vision to grow broodwar outside of Korea.

A rising tide lifts all boats.

On March 29 2023 18:04 2_2 wrote:
Is it really exciting to see Korean players destroy everyone else? I mean, I get what the idea is, but maybe as another tournament/event in cooperation? Allowing Koreans to participate would effectively kill BSL as it is, instead of the best of Europe/China/NA/SA facing off against each other it would be Koreans eliminating everyone else than facing off against each other.

On March 29 2023 18:06 AncientSion wrote:
mkay so BSL round of 32 all Koreans, that what u saying ?

On March 29 2023 18:20 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:
Nice troll lol brand new user ^_._^

Koreans leave over 69% of ladder games that lag (according to anecdotal evidence I have).

Not to mention the skill gap.

Also calling it SC1... Who does that?

Quote: "China sponsors up to $1500-2000 to BSL." I need confirmation on that one. I would be pleasantly surprised if true.

So "open" that the majority of Western social media platforms are blocked in China, including Twitch, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, YouTube, TikTok and many others.

What a joke! ; D

On March 29 2023 21:23 Peeano wrote:
Edit: Wrong topic

On March 29 2023 23:43 Mutaller wrote:
Nope there are simply tournaments for the foreign scene. There have been foreigner only tournaments from TSL, iCCup Starleague to BSL there needs to be foreigner only tournaments. The BSL is already open to more nations than CSL is, no reason to make demands on BSL.

The region locking that Blizzard did for SC2 is an SC2 problem, while BSL being foreigner only is actually bigger than it would be if it were open to Koreans. Foreigners donate to see foreigners play, we are holding up our side of the community. There is more viewership, because players know the players, or try to compete in it themselves. If the tournament was open to Koreans, it would become something that people just watch as vods, and wouldn't care to donate, because Koreans already have their own tournaments and means to make money.

I do think foreigners can compete with Koreans, but because of latency and time zones we do not get the practice that Chinese players have. Geography plays a huge part in why foreigners struggle against Koreans, and why Chinese people are the strongest foreigners. If BSL was open to Koreans, we will see a single nations' flag in the round of 24 onward.

On March 30 2023 10:35 chenchuan wrote:

The biggest mistake I make on this topic is to say that I am Chinese.

Do you understand what I mean?

On March 30 2023 04:56 Diggity wrote:
In a perfect world foreigners would be able to sustain themselves as professional broodwar players outside of Korea. In that scenario what you propose would be valid. As it stands the only location where individuals are able to play broodwar as their full time job is Korea. Asking amateurs to out compete full time paid professionals in any field is a large ask. I would expect a decline in already dwindling foreigner participation if Korean pros were allowed to participate in BSL.

I would love to see a future where people can play broodwar professionally world wide. In order to see that future there needs to be an expanded audience and player base. In order to expand viewership and the player base there needs to be a larger and healthier foreigner community. BSL helps incentivize this in the foreigner community by providing a sheltered environment.

If Korean pros want to participate in BSL, my suggestion would be to engage with the foreigner community so that the level of play rises such that foreigner participation would be competitive despite Korean involvement. In other words, have a vision to grow broodwar outside of Korea.

A rising tide lifts all boats.

On March 30 2023 07:12 Akio wrote:
It’s disingenuous to compare the failures of region block in SC2 to the current situation of Brood War. Just taking the viewership perspective, the circumstances are totally different between the games with SC2 being more popular in the West and vice versa.

On March 30 2023 11:00 chenchuan wrote:

Why do you think I have a demand for BSL?How long do you think Mr. ZZZero can support SC1?How many more sessions can BSL hold?Mr. ZZZero has to work part-time to live, don't you know?

KSL hosted by Blizzard in 2018.In the KSL league, only South Koreans participate.Also live on the Twitch platform.But there are tens of thousands of viewers watching at the same time.What if BSL also has tens of thousands of viewers watching?Mr. ZZZero may not need a part-time job to live.

On March 30 2023 17:44 GeckoXp wrote:
Sweet jesus. You'd need to pay me tripple of what I'm earning now to only consider working with a person like you.

On March 30 2023 19:22 chenchuan wrote:

First of all, I don't know Jesus.Cause I'm from China.

No one needs you to pay anything.The proposal I put forward in the topic requires no sacrifice from anyone.I just proposed a concept.If you can't accept it.You can leave without being forced.

On March 30 2023 19:39 GeckoXp wrote:
The only explanation I can come up with is that the language barrier makes it hard to communicate with you, as you seem to not understand the arguments that were made. Apparently ZZZero tries to support the foreign community and make a living off of his endeavours. If his only goal was to make a living off brood war, he could have focussed on Korea or put more energy into that kind of field.
Now, it doesn't seem like you care one bit about our views on what's needed and you also lack the history of what had been tried in the past. Hint: none of your suggestions work, all events that "included" Koreans didn't bring the boost you were dreaming of. The best summary of all responses can be found in marwin's meme. So, please, don't tell us what to think and assume we're stupid.