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Imo i think its difficult to grow a game thats from 1998.
The controls are hardcore compared to modern games, ie a steep learning curve.
Most of community still playing are old school gamers above 30s closing their 40s.
Getting cash tournaments going isnt equal to new player base in such an old difficult-to-play game.
Ive been playing this game since '98 and user-wise we are at the lowest ever, maybe more people try to play it more competitive (BW school) compared to before but the user-base is quite the same.
If someone got any stats on this not being the case except for my own in-game observation that would be great. Im only talking about EU server as thats where i live. Its only recently ive had to resort to WE for games.
So i dont agree that introducing asians into foreign tours increases foreign player base for above reasons.
Gen Z dont even play games anymore, its all phones and tiktok.
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It´s not that hardcore like it used to be in the old times, Dandy raises players from F to medium A in just months. Things have improved, monitors, mouses, ergonomy, glasses.. but THERE´S STILL NO USER FRIENDLY BW GUIDES that would make the learning process improve.
Sziky v Terror had tr 16 low, that would have been unthinkable even 4 years ago, a blasphemy 10 years ago and now a new internet cable between Portugal and Brazil (ellalink) has been built in 2022
Fiber optic, until certain degree, can improve without changing the entire hardware so don´t take our past experiences like something set in stone
Things are improving but "the west" will NEVER have tr 24 low with Korea
When blizz tried to kill bw they also harmed the trust that some investors had in the game and that´s hard to erase...i think w3champions has solved some parts of this puzzle
I had some ideas but i´ll post them in some days, one of them is to select a zone in the yellow or white area of the map and the best of every region will travel towards that area for the "finals" (in tr 24 high), easy for North America and Euros, we (latinos) can pay for the ticket to Brazil plus our players will enjoy it and chinese would have to take a train to the west because it`s cheaper and safe
The problem would be anything related to the locations
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Just an idea that can be improooooved
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On April 01 2023 19:04 remeka wrote:It´s not that hardcore like it used to be in the old times, Dandy raises players from F to medium A in just months. Things have improved, monitors, mouses, ergonomy, glasses.. but THERE´S STILL NO USER FRIENDLY BW GUIDES that would make the learning process improve. Sziky v Terror had tr 16 low, that would have been unthinkable even 4 years ago, a blasphemy 10 years ago and now a new internet cable between Portugal and Brazil (ellalink) has been built in 2022 Fiber optic, until certain degree, can improve without changing the entire hardware so don´t take our past experiences like something set in stone Things are improving but "the west" will NEVER have tr 24 low with Korea When blizz tried to kill bw they also harmed the trust that some investors had in the game and that´s hard to erase...i think w3champions has solved some parts of this puzzle I had some ideas but i´ll post them in some days, one of them is to select a zone in the yellow or white area of the map and the best of every region will travel towards that area for the "finals" (in tr 24 high), easy for North America and Euros, we (latinos) can pay for the ticket to Brazil plus our players will enjoy it and chinese would have to take a train to the west because it`s cheaper and safe The problem would be anything related to the locations Just an idea that can be improooooved
I have to say this is a bold idea.And it's also a creative idea.Although it may never be possible to achieve.But I still bless you.
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On April 01 2023 19:04 remeka wrote:It´s not that hardcore like it used to be in the old times, Dandy raises players from F to medium A in just months. Things have improved, monitors, mouses, ergonomy, glasses.. but THERE´S STILL NO USER FRIENDLY BW GUIDES that would make the learning process improve. Sziky v Terror had tr 16 low, that would have been unthinkable even 4 years ago, a blasphemy 10 years ago and now a new internet cable between Portugal and Brazil (ellalink) has been built in 2022 Fiber optic, until certain degree, can improve without changing the entire hardware so don´t take our past experiences like something set in stone Things are improving but "the west" will NEVER have tr 24 low with Korea When blizz tried to kill bw they also harmed the trust that some investors had in the game and that´s hard to erase...i think w3champions has solved some parts of this puzzle I had some ideas but i´ll post them in some days, one of them is to select a zone in the yellow or white area of the map and the best of every region will travel towards that area for the "finals" (in tr 24 high), easy for North America and Euros, we (latinos) can pay for the ticket to Brazil plus our players will enjoy it and chinese would have to take a train to the west because it`s cheaper and safe The problem would be anything related to the locations Just an idea that can be improooooved
In my experience playing with terror over the years he is the only peruvian with a solid internet conection.Before remastered and all this TR16 20 24 we uaed to joke terror didnt live in Peru. Btw why Gosudark lag so much ? Does he live in a Mountain with difficult access or something ? That guy lags like he lives in Irak tbh.
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Bisutopia19395 Posts
I’d love to see a once a year BSL style open tournament, meaning no region lock. But it can’t be BSL, it should have a new brand. BSL style format, but earnings will be different. Double the prize if the lower ladder ranked player wins, half the prize if the upper ranked player wins each round. Championship prize remains the same.
Hard not to take the foreign side though on the BSL topic. Just too many issues bringing in Koreans Pros.
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On April 01 2023 23:05 BisuDagger wrote:
I’d love to see a once a year BSL style open tournament, meaning no region lock. But it can’t be BSL, it should have a new brand. BSL style format, but earnings will be different. Double the prize if the lower ladder ranked player wins, half the prize if the upper ranked player wins each round. Championship prize remains the same.
Hard not to take the foreign side though on the BSL topic. Just too many issues bringing in Koreans Pros.
Perhaps we can consider the regional trials used by BSL15?Divide China and South Korea into one competition area.This does not affect players from the Americas or Europe.Can it bring more exciting competitions and more audiences?
I'm just here hoping that Mr. ZZZero can be selfish.Find a way to ensure your life.
After all, we all need enough bread to pursue our dreams.
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On March 30 2023 04:56 Diggity wrote:
In a perfect world foreigners would be able to sustain themselves as professional broodwar players outside of Korea. In that scenario what you propose would be valid. As it stands the only location where individuals are able to play broodwar as their full time job is Korea. Asking amateurs to out compete full time paid professionals in any field is a large ask. I would expect a decline in already dwindling foreigner participation if Korean pros were allowed to participate in BSL.
I would love to see a future where people can play broodwar professionally world wide. In order to see that future there needs to be an expanded audience and player base. In order to expand viewership and the player base there needs to be a larger and healthier foreigner community. BSL helps incentivize this in the foreigner community by providing a sheltered environment.
If Korean pros want to participate in BSL, my suggestion would be to engage with the foreigner community so that the level of play rises such that foreigner participation would be competitive despite Korean involvement. In other words, have a vision to grow broodwar outside of Korea.
A rising tide lifts all boats.
Well said. Like how European soccer players are leveling up American pros. It's making an impact.
But the disadvantage of not having starcraft as your day job will be hard to overcome. Doesn't mean it can't work, but it lengthens the timeline.
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On April 01 2023 22:37 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2023 19:04 remeka wrote:It´s not that hardcore like it used to be in the old times, Dandy raises players from F to medium A in just months. Things have improved, monitors, mouses, ergonomy, glasses.. but THERE´S STILL NO USER FRIENDLY BW GUIDES that would make the learning process improve. Sziky v Terror had tr 16 low, that would have been unthinkable even 4 years ago, a blasphemy 10 years ago and now a new internet cable between Portugal and Brazil (ellalink) has been built in 2022 Fiber optic, until certain degree, can improve without changing the entire hardware so don´t take our past experiences like something set in stone Things are improving but "the west" will NEVER have tr 24 low with Korea When blizz tried to kill bw they also harmed the trust that some investors had in the game and that´s hard to erase...i think w3champions has solved some parts of this puzzle I had some ideas but i´ll post them in some days, one of them is to select a zone in the yellow or white area of the map and the best of every region will travel towards that area for the "finals" (in tr 24 high), easy for North America and Euros, we (latinos) can pay for the ticket to Brazil plus our players will enjoy it and chinese would have to take a train to the west because it`s cheaper and safe The problem would be anything related to the locations Just an idea that can be improooooved In my experience playing with terror over the years he is the only peruvian with a solid internet conection.Before remastered and all this TR16 20 24 we uaed to joke terror didnt live in Peru. Btw why Gosudark lag so much ? Does he live in a Mountain with difficult access or something ? That guy lags like he lives in Irak tbh.
lima is the only city with good net
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On April 01 2023 22:37 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2023 19:04 remeka wrote:It´s not that hardcore like it used to be in the old times, Dandy raises players from F to medium A in just months. Things have improved, monitors, mouses, ergonomy, glasses.. but THERE´S STILL NO USER FRIENDLY BW GUIDES that would make the learning process improve. Sziky v Terror had tr 16 low, that would have been unthinkable even 4 years ago, a blasphemy 10 years ago and now a new internet cable between Portugal and Brazil (ellalink) has been built in 2022 Fiber optic, until certain degree, can improve without changing the entire hardware so don´t take our past experiences like something set in stone Things are improving but "the west" will NEVER have tr 24 low with Korea When blizz tried to kill bw they also harmed the trust that some investors had in the game and that´s hard to erase...i think w3champions has solved some parts of this puzzle I had some ideas but i´ll post them in some days, one of them is to select a zone in the yellow or white area of the map and the best of every region will travel towards that area for the "finals" (in tr 24 high), easy for North America and Euros, we (latinos) can pay for the ticket to Brazil plus our players will enjoy it and chinese would have to take a train to the west because it`s cheaper and safe The problem would be anything related to the locations Just an idea that can be improooooved In my experience playing with terror over the years he is the only peruvian with a solid internet conection.Before remastered and all this TR16 20 24 we uaed to joke terror didnt live in Peru. Btw why Gosudark lag so much ? Does he live in a Mountain with difficult access or something ? That guy lags like he lives in Irak tbh.
MountainToss is a cool nickname
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