• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 12:29
CET 18:29
KST 02:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
The Grack before Christmas Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA) BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread 2025 POECurrency Christmas POE 2 Update 0.4.0 Curr 2025 IGGM Merry Christmas ARC Raiders Items Sale 2025 IGGM Christmas Diablo 4 Season 11 Items Sale 2025 IGGM Monopoly Go Christmas Sale
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How Does UI/UX Design Influence User Trust? US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1361 users

(2)Waiting to Panic 128/96 Ashworld

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-05 19:44:08
October 05 2007 19:41 GMT
#1
[image loading]

Green lines mark where ramps are, in case it's difficult to see.
[image loading]

Download

This is IMO the best map I've ever made, at least concept wise (decoration may need a face lift).

Impassible doodads behind minerals fix pathing (thanks largely to StarParty for telling me this, although this concept is mine so don't give him too much credit ) Remember that though the pathing is fixed, don't be stupid and click the very corner of the map and tell me the pathing is broken. You still need to click in their base to go to their base. AFAIK you cannot jump the minerals (impassible doodads underneath).

Used lancets "Charches" idea. This should allow for some exciting things to happen in the middle Remember that only ultralisks cannot pass under the arches.

Gameplay is intended to be unique, fast paced, with no non-sense-macro-styles. All bases are unsafe, all races should require early units for pressure and defence. Scouting will be absolutely pivotal.


I expect this map to be imbalanced. I don't expect anyone to figure why if it never becomes popular. This map is a theory crafter's dream, and I acknowledge I'm going to receive a lot of comments telling me how impossible it is for one race or another in one match up or another.

If you do play it, replays may be uploaded here
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-05 19:53:45
October 05 2007 19:49 GMT
#2
Looks a little too difficult for zerg to fast expo on.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25990 Posts
October 05 2007 19:54 GMT
#3
Can units walk into that middle area without killing anything? Because if so, I'm telling you right now my build against any race would be 6 Pool -> Sunken Colony behind their minerals. As Terran you'd have to basically just liftoff to your natural. As protoss you'd have to long-range mine to 400 until you could "expand".
Moderator
TeRRan`UseR
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada692 Posts
October 05 2007 19:58 GMT
#4
Yeah quick sunks behind the main or quick tank drop would be GG. This map looks very anti-toss.
AKAs FreeloSS @USwest Freel0ss @Europe
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-05 20:01:20
October 05 2007 20:00 GMT
#5
There are neutral power generators there.
edit: nm i see the ramp ;P, maybe try putting a probe on each dweb'ed ramp if you scout a fast pool? ^^
Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6225 Posts
October 05 2007 20:10 GMT
#6
imo find a way to make those creeps in the middle sunkens that are hostile to each player (but too far away to hit the min lines)
good vibes only
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
October 05 2007 20:28 GMT
#7
I just played two PvZs where the Zerg tried to sunk rush and won both times =/ Just scout on 8 and block the drone, if he gets by send a couple probes out there asap, and try to keep blocking where he tried to build sunken colonies. Build a cannon in your min line to help guard against lings as you harass his drone and you're okay. If Zerg is 6pooling every game, why can't you 9 9 gate?

I personally found this map extremely fun when I played it

Yeah quick sunks behind the main or quick tank drop would be GG. This map looks very anti-toss.

Yeah, cause there isn't any backdoor on this map that could totally fuck any retarted tech strat. OH WAIT.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-05 22:23:57
October 05 2007 22:20 GMT
#8
Zerg will have a shit hole of a time keeping bases. The ramp into the backdoor of main is just too brutal. Not only that but the map is very narrow and circular which doesn't allow for much flanking, and there are places to drop all over. I'm not a fan of map where the main base can be 'cliff' dropped (jungle story, etc). It also looks like terran can build depots or barracks in key spots to further limit the chokes just about everywhere on the map.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
MuShu
Profile Joined March 2005
United States3223 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-05 22:27:23
October 05 2007 22:26 GMT
#9
On October 06 2007 05:28 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
I just played two PvZs where the Zerg tried to sunk rush and won both times =/ Just scout on 8 and block the drone, if he gets by send a couple probes out there asap, and try to keep blocking where he tried to build sunken colonies. Build a cannon in your min line to help guard against lings as you harass his drone and you're okay. If Zerg is 6pooling every game, why can't you 9 9 gate?

I personally found this map extremely fun when I played it

Show nested quote +
Yeah quick sunks behind the main or quick tank drop would be GG. This map looks very anti-toss.

Yeah, cause there isn't any backdoor on this map that could totally fuck any retarted tech strat. OH WAIT.


I never 6 pooled on any of those games though. Using my games is not the best way to argue balance though lol
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-05 22:32:04
October 05 2007 22:28 GMT
#10
Yeah, but it's better than no games and pure theorycraft :D

Zerg will have a shit hole of a time keeping bases. The ramp into the backdoor of main is just too brutal. Not only that but the map is very narrow and circular which doesn't allow for much flanking, and there are places to drop all over. I'm not a fan of map where the main base can be 'cliff' dropped (jungle story, etc). It also looks like terran can build depots or barracks in key spots to further limit the chokes just about everywhere on the map.

SEE! Fuck! Theory craft for the win. Nobody agrees on anything. I play random. I can see possibilities for all three races, both in attack an defence. I'm not terribly good, but it makes me fairly qualified to see beyond "I'm an optimistic person, so I'm going to say my race owns this map" and "I'm a pessimistic person, so I'm going to say my race is cheated by this map".
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
12:00
Christmas Day Games
Solar vs Classic
herO vs MaxPaxLIVE!
WardiTV1969
TaKeTV 631
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech126
trigger 63
BRAT_OK 47
MindelVK 11
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 31654
Shuttle 603
Larva 517
EffOrt 318
firebathero 222
Aegong 191
Mini 177
Dewaltoss 101
ggaemo 94
Hyun 72
[ Show more ]
Mind 63
Sharp 42
Sexy 28
soO 17
910 13
HiyA 6
Dota 2
420jenkins1168
League of Legends
C9.Mang0428
Other Games
FrodaN3259
singsing2330
DeMusliM597
crisheroes401
ArmadaUGS173
Mew2King124
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick707
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• 3DClanTV 15
• Adnapsc2 10
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 32
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis4753
Other Games
• Shiphtur30
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
23h 31m
Elazer vs Nicoract
Reynor vs Scarlett
Replay Cast
1d 6h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Krystianer vs TBD
TriGGeR vs SKillous
Percival vs TBD
ByuN vs Nicoract
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.