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[ASL11] Finals Preview: A New Champion

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[ASL11] Finals Preview: A New Champion

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June 5th, 2021 16:31 GMT
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Its been a long time since we've seen two first time finalists in the ASL, but with the departure of Flash in the army we've come to a new era of ASL and Starcraft as a whole, Larva the long time verteran making his first big offline finals in 9 years and Mini the one korean fans dub the "pervert protoss" for his wild and wacky builds, the king of momentum and his momentum is going strong right now.

Group A Preview

Big Shot

(Z)Larva is a lot of things, a hell of an entertainer, passionate starcraft player, a father, but what hes never been is a Champion.

In fact the last time I saw Larva come this close to major championship gold in Korea was in the first ever major offline finals since the end TVing OSL 2012 and the end of the KeSPA Era, in the finals of SSL7 against Killer all the way back in December 2012, its been a long 9 years and a few good ASL runs in them, but this is the first time he’s been to the finals since then.

Twice before he’s made it to the Ro4 but never further, both times it was ZvZ, falling to hero in a close series back in ASL4 and then again last season in ASL10 against ZerO who eventually went on to win the season and now finally in ASL11 he beats hero to make it here to face off against Mini, his odds are on paper really good but its a matter of momentum here and what Mini showed against ZerO in their semifinal match is easily one of the most confident plays imaginable one that I imagine Larva has done everything he possibly could to scout it out because Mini isn’t going be doing much of that himself.

Offline in this season alone Larva has taken out the 2 topmost protoss sitting on the sponbbang rankings, Bisu and Larva in their Ro16 group, both being big and mostly decisive victories for him, but lets look at his online PvZ from sponbbang(stats taken from April onwards)

Vs (P)Stork 7-1(87.5%)
Vs (P)Shuttle 35-10(77.8%)
Vs (P)free 3-1(75.0%)
Vs (P)Mini 35-19(64.8%)
Vs (P)BeSt 15-11(57.7%)
Vs (P)Snow 12-13(48.0%)
Vs (P)Bisu 15-20(42.9%)

Additionally he also has one game against huro, taking the overall winrate against protoss at 62.1%.

A winrate above 60% in a matchup is a big deal and outside of having some form of mental block against Bisu, maybe from all the years of torturous training from the T1 house. Regardless he did beat him to get here, and having a winning record against almost everyone else shows how hes versatile in the matchup.

Versatility is absolutely crucial when it comes to dealing with a player like mini, where ZerO is solid and is very capable of getting things done, he’s slow to adapt his gameplan in a series, Larva can abandon his plans with reckless abandon and its backfired on him several times as well but its also served him well like against rain in ASL4 to just do things differently.

I won’t go into the maps on my side of the preview, TaardadAiel does a good job on the overall for that so scroll down for it. I will say I agree with him that Ascension is a fruity pick for Larva to make at the 4th game spot, I’d assume he’d take Ultimate Stream because of how good he plays against protoss on that map, but I guess it doesn’t seem like he had many options overall

When you’re in a series against Mini as a zerg you have to concede the fact that you’re playing at his pace at the start, hes not one to sit back and get hydra’d to death by the dreaded sh spam. But their history and why larva has such a good win record against Mini is that Larva just manages to survive everything Mini throws at him in the early game and take control the rest of the game, now that Mini has shown his hand with these no scout plays, its on Larva to show how to figure them out, would he just as blindly go 12 hatch in every one of these games, Larva on paper online has him pinned and figured out, can he just do it on the final stage of the ASL, I think he will and I don’t think we’ll see that game on fighting spirit either this series.

(Z)Larva takes the crown 4-2!

Group B Preview

Take Two

If anyone had put money on (P)Mini being a title contender before the beginning of the season, he probably would’ve been laughed at or at the very least considered a gambling addict. Mini’s issues with consistency and mental fortitude in big matches are the stuff of legend now, but he managed to collect himself again and give the title run another go.

Let’s not forget, Mini is an ASL runner-up (and he was a KSL runner-up in the same year), he reached top 4 in ASL5 and can be a real menace on a good day. In fact, this is the second time he eliminated the defending champion - a Zerg - in the semis to reach the grand finals; he and Effort produced a real thriller back in ASL7. In ASL5 he defeated a top4 finisher, larva, 3-0 (I won’t indulge into map balance discussions about that particular tournament) who had a really sick run in the previous season where he was one game away from reaching the finals.

And now the two meet again. Mini’s huge ASL7 run ended with a loss to Last, in Mini’s inarguably worst matchup, but his PvZ is something else and it really looks like this time around he has a real chance at the title. He’s long been considered a PvZ expert despite some hiccups here and there, but those have been considered just Mini things. Nobody really questioned his talent or understanding of this particular matchup and most of the criticism was in the form cries of frustration at his inconsistency.

He was in fact eliminated by Zerg players in the past two ASL seasons and lost two of three games he’s played against larva after that spectacular 3-0 in ASL5. First hints that he had again managed to hit his stride appeared in his group match against defending back-to-back champion ZerO, which he won 2-1 despite losing a game in a way that would’ve tilted old Mini beyond the point of offering meaningful resistance. He made (really) short work of Best in a one-sided Ro8 match and after this brief detour from PvZ had to face ZerO again in the semis. He then proceeded to lose the first game and pretty much everyone was convinced this was the beginning of the downward spiral, especially considering his tendency to crack under pressure. What followed will probably be remembered as the biggest upset in that particular matchup since Bisu demolished SaviOr and basically invented modern PvZ. This is not to say that the impact of the meta shift is the same, but rather that the end result was just as surprising. Through clever build order optimization, mind games and completely jumbled timings (it IS in fact a meta shift, probably just temporary) Mini made the defending champion, regarded as an unstoppable ZvP monster, look helpless and frustrated. Yes, he did appear shaky and TL posters reported he appeared shaky on stream for a while now, too, but nevertheless, it was a huge upset.

I started out this piece with Mini being a perpetual underdog. To try and add some substance to that statement, let’s look at some sponbbang stats besides his reputation for choking. I decided to expand the timeframe all the way back to April since that’s when the maps for the ASL were announced (it was the end of March, I think) and the players started figuring them out in anticipation of the new season.

vs (Z)EffOrt: 3-7
vs (Z)Larva: 19-35
vs (Z)hero: 11-14
vs (Z)Soulkey: 5-4
vs (Z)ZerO: 3-2
vs (Z)Soma: 17-8
vs (Z)Action: 5-1
With the addition of 6 more wins and no losses against (Z)ggaemo and (Z)MIsO, this brings his total win rate in the matchup to 49.3%. And those are rookie numbers.

If we look at May alone, the picture is completely different. A 63.9% win rate - over a much smaller sample size by default - and a 3-1 score against larva. I gotta say, though, I watched those four games and they were all really close.

Did Mini suddenly get better in May? Did he need time to figure the maps out? Is this just a statistical anomaly that does not reflect reality in any way? As always, those are difficult questions to answer, but what he did to ZerO in the semis is more in line with the latter statistic.

It was a testament to Mini’s understanding of the matchup. He is widely known for his aggressive playstyle, relying on superb probe and zealot micro on both offense and defense, sharp tactical maneuvers and a penchant for hiding Corsairs on the map in preparation for incisive timing attacks. He’s more likely than the average Protoss to throw a double proxy gate in the mix, too. What he showed in the semis, however, was contrary to conventional PvZ wisdom - that the first scouting probe is one of the most important units in the game. This innovative no-scout style that completely changes the timings that Protoss can abuse is a new weapon in the arsenal and makes preparing against Mini really difficult. Combined with the recent resurgence of nexus-first builds, he can choose from a variety of openers and adjust his timings for a variety of follow-up strategies. Heck, I half-expect him to try and pull off a Reaver-Shuttle build just to mix it up as much as possible.

And I’ll be really disappointed if I don’t see a Dark Archon in a bo7.

Regarding maps, Mini picked Polypoid, Hidden Track and Polaris Rhapsody, whereas larva picked Eclipse, Ascension and Ultimate Stream. Fighting Spirit is the default 7th map, if it comes to that.

Polypoid is the standard map of the current meta, a 4-player map that might lend itself to larva’s dreaded turtle “scumbag-Zerg” style. It is slightly skewed in favour of Zerg (as most maps appear due to recent Zerg dominance) and Mini’s personal statistics on it don’t differ - a 46% win rate in the matchup for the time period and a dismal 1-10 record against larva. As was the case with the semi-final match, Mini probably picked this map to get it out of the way earlier as opposed to later. He still might have something special planned for larva, I’d expect a more straightforward game or maybe a no-scout build to lull larva into a false sense of having Mini figured out.

Eclipse is a good pick for larva, Mini’s 43.8% total PvZ record and 3-6 against larva doesn’t bode too well for him, although we’ll see most maps have similar records - Mini was 19-35 against this particular opponent. It’s otherwise a decent map for our Protoss hero and his preferred abusive style where he can mess with the Zerg build timings and expansion pattern by probe harass, offensive Pylons and the like.

Hidden Track is another matter. We saw a somewhat standard game on that map against ZerO, where Mini lost, and he has a 33% win rate in the matchup - although he’s tied 3-3 with larva in the same time period. It looks to me as a more than decent map to abuse Mutalisks, something larva loves to do and excels at, so I feel like Mini definitely has something planned to pick the map himself.

Ascension is a strange pick for larva. This is the most Protoss-favored map in the pool, Mini himself has a positive win rate there and a 5-3 record against larva. The low-ground main and natural are certainly conducive to aerial or drop play and larva probably has something in store after picking that map, either as a mind-game or a dedicated build.

Polaris Rhapsody is the other somewhat Protoss-favored map and Mini’s best one as far as stats go. He’s won two thirds of the PvZs he’s played on that map and manages to break even 3-3 with larva; a dynamic map where the third gas for Zerg is an issue due to the map circulation. Again, we might see a bunch of mutas as Zerg strives for map control.

Ultimate Stream on the other hand is larva’s most obvious map pick. Undoubtedly the best Zerg map in the pool and Mini’s stats reflect that - 38% and 2-7 vs larva. Should the game enter the later stages, larva is at a definite advantage; I think Mini will go for a dedicated build to end the game comparatively quickly - should it be played.

Fighting Spirit is the last map and, being Fighting Spirit and all, is fairly balanced (read: figured out) both in general and for the players themselves. I don’t know if larva would want to opt for a exhausting macro game in the seventh set of the grand finals, but it’s a fairly good map for his trademark turtle style, as we saw way back in ASL4 vs Rain.

All in all, conventional wisdom would state Mini’s innate aggression would have to overcome larva’s solid defense and macro prowess. Mini’s macro tends to slacken as he puts emphasis on army management and multi-pronged attacks - four-digit mineral counts are not uncommon when he plays. Whether or not larva might steer the game in the direction where his macro superiority would give him a definite advantage is, of course, a matter of pure speculation. I’d say Mini has the upper hand in early management, but build order optimizations and mind games from both sides will play a key part as they did vs ZerO.

I won’t fool anybody here that my final prediction won’t be heavily influenced by personal preference. After two consecutive Zerg champions and a ZvZ finals to boot, some change is welcome. However, larva will be a considerably tougher nut to crack for Mini because of his robust playstyle that can accommodate for significant early disadvantage - in every one of those games I watched on stream Mini dealt serious amounts of damage in the first 7-8 minutes and still larva hung on. On that note, some have noticed how ZerO’s sunken timings were always a bit late when Mini pushed - I noticed the same thing with larva; somehow Mini manages to hit a certain soft spot with his pushes. I wonder if that will prove enough.

Nevertheless, my feeling is that despite the somewhat lopsided statistics and stylistic difficulties, Mini has more than a fighting chance for his first title.

(P)Mini takes the crown 4-1!



Writers: BLinD-RawR, TaardadAiel
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BLinD-RawR
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49986 Posts
June 05 2021 16:50 GMT
#2
I've been mostly wrong all season so, will be interesting to see how it plays out considering everyone else I know says Mini will win.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4893 Posts
June 05 2021 17:03 GMT
#3
<3
FBH #1!
iiiliii
Profile Joined May 2020
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-05 17:09:19
June 05 2021 17:07 GMT
#4
Is it intended that I see this on the front page even with "Hide Spoilers" checked?

It's a spoiler for the second semi-final for anyone following the tournament through the Tastosis casts. I know those vods have a delayed release, but I was hoping to avoid a situation where I would have to stop reading TL to watch the Tastosis casts of ASL without spoilers.

I'm not sure if it's been like this all season and I just didn't notice, but seeing Larva's picture makes the result quite obvious in this case.
LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1408 Posts
June 05 2021 17:16 GMT
#5
FOR THE SWARM! FOR THE HIVE! LARVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4893 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-05 17:30:51
June 05 2021 17:16 GMT
#6
I'm thinking 4-2 either way, I hope for Mini. But I want 4-3 for content value.
I'm super hyped!

I also hope to see at least one sair/reaver game, but I have feeling that would result in a free win for Larva. And DA... Yes, every PvZ finals needs at least one!
FBH #1!
nb.lossilohi
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland33 Posts
June 05 2021 17:20 GMT
#7
Larva for the win!! With nails and toes!!
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
June 05 2021 17:28 GMT
#8
Love both of their playstyles, expecting good matches! Let's hope it's not just a hydra bust 7 games in a row
Mine gas, build tanks.
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1400 Posts
June 05 2021 17:28 GMT
#9
Team not protoss Larva

No seriously, gotta like Larva. Hope he brings this one home.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4893 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-05 17:29:50
June 05 2021 17:29 GMT
#10
On June 06 2021 02:07 iiiliii wrote:
Is it intended that I see this on the front page even with "Hide Spoilers" checked?

It's a spoiler for the second semi-final for anyone following the tournament through the Tastosis casts. I know those vods have a delayed release, but I was hoping to avoid a situation where I would have to stop reading TL to watch the Tastosis casts of ASL without spoilers.

I'm not sure if it's been like this all season and I just didn't notice, but seeing Larva's picture makes the result quite obvious in this case.

Sorry that happened to you, but you chose to watch Tastosis' (very) delayed cast.

We have a live English cast by Nyoken and Scan every time. The majority of active TL users will have watched that or either the official Korean cast. It's not really TL's fault imo.

FBH #1!
des
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States507 Posts
June 05 2021 17:43 GMT
#11
Gogo Larva, plz put foot on kb.
my larvae bring all the zerg to the yard
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4168 Posts
June 05 2021 17:53 GMT
#12
Very exciting pair of finalists. A true clash of styles. Hope for some great games!

MINI FIGHTIIIING ! ! !
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iiiliii
Profile Joined May 2020
2 Posts
June 05 2021 17:56 GMT
#13
On June 06 2021 02:29 Peeano wrote:
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On June 06 2021 02:07 iiiliii wrote:
Is it intended that I see this on the front page even with "Hide Spoilers" checked?

It's a spoiler for the second semi-final for anyone following the tournament through the Tastosis casts. I know those vods have a delayed release, but I was hoping to avoid a situation where I would have to stop reading TL to watch the Tastosis casts of ASL without spoilers.

I'm not sure if it's been like this all season and I just didn't notice, but seeing Larva's picture makes the result quite obvious in this case.

Sorry that happened to you, but you chose to watch Tastosis' (very) delayed cast.

We have a live English cast by Nyoken and Scan every time. The majority of active TL users will have watched that or either the official Korean cast. It's not really TL's fault imo.



Yeah, understood, I wasn't blaming TL, the preview should be posted when it makes sense for people following the live tournament, it's just an unfortunate situation.

Although, to be honest, I didn't realize the Tastosis casts were so far behind. I'm quite surprised looking at the liquidpedia dates, I thought it was only a small delay. Hopefully that is something they can sort out before the next ASL, as it makes situations like this much more likely.
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6984 Posts
June 05 2021 18:20 GMT
#14
lol thanks for spoilers on the frontpage
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
830 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-05 18:32:29
June 05 2021 18:30 GMT
#15
Nice write-up. Really hope mini can save us from another Zerg win. If his style does reshape the meta, he might even prevent another 3/4 Zerg top 4 next season, making him a true hero of the people.

Mini looked stronger between the two Queen series (seemed to have way better High Templar control) and with the amount of momentum he should be in a good spot mentally.

If Mini wins I suspect it'll be stomping attempted muta switches and generally running Larva over. If Larva wins it'll be Mini overcommitting to fights where there's too much of a sim city.
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
June 05 2021 20:24 GMT
#16
These are two players who i would enjoy watching do battle yessir
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Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria3734 Posts
June 05 2021 20:24 GMT
#17
I think we'll see Larva foot the bill since he's the bigger person.
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
June 05 2021 20:25 GMT
#18
Great read and stats! Didn't know Larva was such a ZvP monster (when you look at his ASL winrate that shows before match) and Mini having 5-1 against SoMa is really good. Nevertheless Larva's one weak point was whenever he was getting deep runs he was getting eliminated by ZvZ snipers so 4-0 herO who considered really solid zerg was amazing.

Finally Mini made ZerO who thought zergs are unstoppable to taste his own medicine. It isn't far off from sAviOr vs. Bisu finals when you see how hopeless ZerO looked on that series and it especially looks impressive on 2021 when almost every meta that's not invented by God himself has already figured out. If Mini doesn't kill Larva until he gets hive the chances gonna diminish each minute pass for protoss.

I'm rooting for Larva more than ever but if it will end up 4-0 him dominating I won't be happy. I want to see both sides clashing. Let's fucking go until FS - the most hated(?) map.
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Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
June 05 2021 20:53 GMT
#19
do u have a tldr
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Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3334 Posts
June 05 2021 21:27 GMT
#20
Haven't watched any BW in years... but I'll be tuning in for this one. :}

gogo Larva
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