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[ASL11] Finals Preview: A New Champion - Page 2

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Nematocyst
Profile Joined October 2017
United States164 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-05 21:29:17
June 05 2021 21:28 GMT
#21
After reading the first paragraph, I have to point out that Mini isn't a first time finalist. He faced Last in the S7 finals.
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Estonia790 Posts
June 05 2021 21:28 GMT
#22
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RWLabs
Profile Joined March 2017
Korea (South)273 Posts
June 05 2021 22:10 GMT
#23
I want a Protoss champion who didn't win off of PvP.

But it'd be better storytelling if Larva won.

What to do...
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10175 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-05 22:55:31
June 05 2021 22:54 GMT
#24
EDIT: NVM.
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Optimate
Profile Joined August 2020
249 Posts
June 05 2021 23:23 GMT
#25
I wanna see some Larva antics. Some hilarious bm. A nice 4pool. Etc.
[AS]Rattus
Profile Joined March 2017
427 Posts
June 06 2021 00:32 GMT
#26
was waiting for this preview for days :>
809Kenpachi
Profile Joined June 2021
Dominican Republic5 Posts
June 06 2021 00:57 GMT
#27
Anyone know how to make site spoiler free?
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809Kenpachi
Profile Joined June 2021
Dominican Republic5 Posts
June 06 2021 00:58 GMT
#28
Got it, thanks!
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Zeronova
Profile Joined September 2020
54 Posts
June 06 2021 02:54 GMT
#29
Even after seeing mini look absolutely amazing versus Queen, I’m still going Larva. I would have gone Hero too for that matter. Queen looked very shaky in PvZ and Larva has looked amazing. His macro is particularly impressive. Plus ANY of the top 5 zerg always have a good chance of winning straight up with 3 or 5 hatch hydra aggression. Other than Mini getting lucky with the proxy gates, when is the last time you saw Protoss take a game early?

Zerg can with with Hydra, speedling surprise, muta surprise, lurker contain, or late game hive tech easily if they can keep up in macro. Toss has much fewer ways to win.

For all these reasons, I’m picking Larva 4-2
Terra1
Profile Joined June 2018
Philippines312 Posts
June 06 2021 02:56 GMT
#30
Hard to choose between them.

Rooting for Mini because I like Toss but after seeing Larva in FlaSh's military fareweel video saying that he will defend the throne until he returns, I kinda wanted him to win as well.

Hope this will be a good series regardless.
bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
June 06 2021 04:09 GMT
#31
I guess, Larva 4-0 Mini. Mini used all his strategies in the match Mini vs ZerO. So standard games are free win for Larva.
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
June 06 2021 04:21 GMT
#32
This should be a very exciting series, can't wait.
ox.tQ
Profile Joined November 2010
794 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-06 05:48:00
June 06 2021 05:47 GMT
#33
Wonderful write-ups gentlemen. You make me want to follow the pro-gamer scene more closely than I normally do (I'm a minority in this regard, I know ;-)
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ggByron
Profile Joined December 2017
24 Posts
June 06 2021 06:59 GMT
#34
So we will either have a new protoss champ (and a PvZ revolution lite) or see Larva finally making it thanks to the effort he has been putting in all these years (and get a brand new kong as a byproduct).

Both scenarios are extremely good for the scene. So in the grand scheme of things, this is amazing regardless of who will win.

As for the games themselves, this is where I have concerns. Chances are, Mini is out of builds while Larva is well-prepared. Another possibility is that Mini's offbeat builds haven't really been solved yet, and zergs are unsure about what to do exactly.

I do hope it won't be one-sided but it very well might.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8268 Posts
June 06 2021 07:34 GMT
#35
Very nice write up
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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
June 06 2021 07:48 GMT
#36
If Mini wins, a protoss finally wins

If Larva wins, he will finally win a championship

Win-Win finals. Love it ^^
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Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2719 Posts
June 06 2021 08:37 GMT
#37
Punctuation is weird. Here:

"Versatility is absolutely crucial when it comes to dealing with a player like mini, where ZerO is solid and is very capable of getting things done, he’s slow to adapt his gameplan in a series, Larva can abandon his plans with reckless abandon and its backfired on him several times as well but its also served him well like against rain in ASL4 to just do things differently."

which should be:

"Versatility is absolutely crucial when it comes to dealing with a player like mini. Where ZerO is solid and is very capable of getting things done, he’s slow to adapt his gameplan in a series. Larva can abandon his plans with reckless abandon and it's backfired on him several times as well, but it's also served him well like against rain in ASL4 to just do things differently."
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Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4296 Posts
June 06 2021 09:23 GMT
#38
I think Mini should take an aggressive approach against Larva, similar to what he did against Queen. Larva generally tends to do significantly better when he's allowed to breathe in the early/mid game.
Meanwhile Larva should just do the usual zerg thing, mostly doing standard builds and throwing in just enough risky builds/strats (both aggressive and passive) to keep Mini guessing throughout the match.
I doubt we could have a more uncertain and evenly matched finals than this one. It's gonna be exciting.
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-06 09:25:41
June 06 2021 09:25 GMT
#39
My heart is rooting for Larva but I'm so impressed with Mini vs Queen in the semis that I think he might take it. Either way I'll be very happy for the winner, they both show that they love the game so much
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50328 Posts
June 06 2021 09:42 GMT
#40
keep spoilers away from this thread for the finals

use this instead https://tl.net/forum/bw-tournaments/573835-asl11-grand-finals
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