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oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1238 Posts
March 16 2021 13:10 GMT
#21
Yeah I agree, the time of this event is quite unfortunate, it will make it difficult for people to tune in.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1087 Posts
March 16 2021 14:58 GMT
#22
On March 16 2021 15:03 thedeadhaji wrote:
agree, both Light and Sharp look to be somewhat below peak form atm, while Rush is currently on fire, looking at recent KCM games.

Things can change when ASL itself starts up and they start preparing in earnest though.


Sharp
TeamThinkQuick
Profile Joined March 2021
200 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-16 17:21:41
March 16 2021 15:36 GMT
#23
Unfortunately Light, Best and a few others were only available around this time, as they have commitments before ASL kicks off. Otherwise they would not be able to play for a little while. We will try to negotiate a better time for NA and Europe next time, although for Pacific viewers, the event starting at 9:00 PM is not terrible. This is our first pro-gamer live event so let's see how it goes. Thanks everyone~

This event will be casted by Kwark, SaiyanSC and SteveJung.
https://trovo.live/TeamThinkQuickTTV *** https://www.twitch.tv/TeamThinkQuickTTV *** https://play.afreecatv.com/axtqttv
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-16 19:50:54
March 16 2021 19:49 GMT
#24
edit: delete
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TeamThinkQuick
Profile Joined March 2021
200 Posts
March 17 2021 16:01 GMT
#25
Time is 12:00 pm eastern right now. The event should start in 12 hours from now. I corrected a small error in the post regarding time of event for Pacific viewers (9:00 pm PST)
https://trovo.live/TeamThinkQuickTTV *** https://www.twitch.tv/TeamThinkQuickTTV *** https://play.afreecatv.com/axtqttv
TeamThinkQuick
Profile Joined March 2021
200 Posts
March 18 2021 03:24 GMT
#26
Event starting soon. Please tune in if you're awake, available and interested.

https://trovo.live/TeamThinkQuickTTV

12 am est (9 pm pst) = ample vs yabsab
1 am (10 pm pst) = light vs best
https://trovo.live/TeamThinkQuickTTV *** https://www.twitch.tv/TeamThinkQuickTTV *** https://play.afreecatv.com/axtqttv
atrox_
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1711 Posts
March 18 2021 04:52 GMT
#27
worked out quite well that I had a terrible nights sleep - so I'm awake in time for this, nice
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
March 18 2021 06:09 GMT
#28
nice insights Kwark
StarFan118
Profile Joined March 2021
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-19 01:34:58
March 18 2021 07:03 GMT
#29
+ Show Spoiler +
BeSt: Light turned off his stream? Light would have been annoyed to play because of the lag. There was an inevitable lag because it was far from the observer's country

Please get a Korean to observe the games next time. Nontheless it was a great event for the viewers.
TeamThinkQuick
Profile Joined March 2021
200 Posts
March 18 2021 07:27 GMT
#30
Thanks to anyone who tuned in. Greatly appreciate Kwark, SaiyanSC and SteveJung for casting some entertaining games for everyone. All shortcomings were my own, including the lag issue, which I should probably address for the sake of clarity.

Unfortunately there is no way around that. I am not comfortable with sharing my stream link, and generally not interested in organizing such events unless I am the person observing. There will always be purists who are uncomfortable with the idea of pros playing under higher latency than they are used to. I encourage these individuals to try to set up such events as they please.

There is lag in our live foreign organized events and most people seem to be fine with that. I think the same applies to such pro-gamer events. Additionally, it was made known to all pro-gamers whom we contacted that the observer would be from North America and they were fine that with. So it is really up to the players to decide whether they wish to participate under such conditions or not. I am glad they accepted because it turned out to be really fun for us.

Thanks again~
https://trovo.live/TeamThinkQuickTTV *** https://www.twitch.tv/TeamThinkQuickTTV *** https://play.afreecatv.com/axtqttv
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1238 Posts
March 18 2021 08:30 GMT
#31
On March 18 2021 16:27 TeamThinkQuick wrote:
Thanks to anyone who tuned in. Greatly appreciate Kwark, SaiyanSC and SteveJung for casting some entertaining games for everyone. All shortcomings were my own, including the lag issue, which I should probably address for the sake of clarity.

Unfortunately there is no way around that. I am not comfortable with sharing my stream link, and generally not interested in organizing such events unless I am the person observing. There will always be purists who are uncomfortable with the idea of pros playing under higher latency than they are used to. I encourage these individuals to try to set up such events as they please.

There is lag in our live foreign organized events and most people seem to be fine with that.



I think you're wrong on both accounts and a lot of people complained about the lag including the players that were rolling their eyes whilst playing, everything resulting in Light cheesing every other game to get it over with as soon as possible.

At the end of the day you're putting in the most effort and should have the last say on everything but you're short-changing yourself as an organizer if you're not aware of how detrimental these playing conditions are for the players, especially those of the highest caliber that rely on micro to hit their sharp builds.

That being said, the overall effort to put up these events is admirable.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4225 Posts
March 18 2021 09:26 GMT
#32
wow.. SO much cheese, man..

That's such a damn shame. To be honest I would rather watch some great foreigners play than this, if this is how it will look like. Foreigners definitely need the money and the spotlight more than koreans do..

anyways, thanks for organizing the event and keep up the amazing work, Ox.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
bracala
Profile Joined August 2019
95 Posts
March 18 2021 09:33 GMT
#33
Nice idea but those Kwark and SteveJung cast was hard to listen,its was so bad quality of sound. If it cant be right,better Saiyan to cast alone!
Good games!
LfunkGG
Profile Joined February 2019
78 Posts
March 18 2021 11:09 GMT
#34
it was nice but cast was cringy most of the time which I find oddly entertaining, there was an awkward dynamic between casters. I'd try to fix audio quality issues next time, good job
angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
327 Posts
March 18 2021 15:43 GMT
#35
Anyone know where i can catch a replay?
TeamThinkQuick
Profile Joined March 2021
200 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-18 17:14:10
March 18 2021 15:49 GMT
#36
Sharing accounts on Trovo is forbidden because of their streamer program, so that's another thing. But as I mentioned, if Trovo is willing to sponsor such events and I get to observe with the players agreeing, I am fine with it. If there viewers who have serious issues with the latency, there is not much that I can do about that. Otherwise there are plenty of Korean organized pro-gamer events for foreigners to follow.

It was nice to receive over 50 messages thanking me for the event from people who enjoyed it regardless of the shortcomings, so while I appreciate the critical feedback, I treat it with a grain of salt as they say ;-) I just wanted to do a foreign organized progamer event, hang out with my caster friends and have fun with people. And of course, the vision was to raise awareness around Trovo and its sponsorship opportunities for Brood War organizers, casters and players, thus paving the way for BW related entry into that platform. Mission accomplished on those accounts.

Yes the sounds were sub optimal and my apologies for that. Steve had it set up the best he could and Kwark was baby sitting his wonderful child while trying his best to keep his commitment to cast. It was a nice experience for us and hopefully not too bad for others

I will upload a VOD link by the end of today in case any souls out there are interested in watching it.
https://trovo.live/TeamThinkQuickTTV *** https://www.twitch.tv/TeamThinkQuickTTV *** https://play.afreecatv.com/axtqttv
LfunkGG
Profile Joined February 2019
78 Posts
March 18 2021 16:37 GMT
#37
good job guys. one thing I should mention about website is, when you watch past stream and you press right arrow, you cant go fast forward. (like skip 5 seconds forward)
you can only do it by mouse clicking or maybe theres another way that I haven't figured out
Sva3
Profile Joined December 2020
19 Posts
March 18 2021 17:28 GMT
#38
I really wanted to watch this event, I was even going to make an account on Trovo. Unfortunately while I was watching them get the games set up I was hit with such a ridiculous amount of disorganization, disrespect for the players, and EGO that I could not keep the stream open after the first game.

First they didn't even have a map pool figured out, and deferred to the players to just figure it out. The lack of communication, and prep felt disrespected to Best and Light imo.

Then the conversation of who would observe and host was discussed. The obvious choice was to have Steve host/observe to avoid unplayable lag, and broadcast to discord or some other means to be rebroadcast to trovo. When this was suggested somebody said "Over my dead body" choosing to instead observe from outside of Korea. The games were incredibly laggy, and you could tell from the FPV how frustrating this was for the players. I find this to be incredibly rude and disrespectful that this observers EGO got in the way of a solid showmatch. Not only were the games laggy, but the games were bad as Light and Best cheesed each game. Presumably to put themselves out of their misery of playing in such a shit environment.
phase
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States399 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-18 17:59:02
March 18 2021 17:55 GMT
#39
Jeez, y'all sure are critical. I thought the event was great! Like others have said, lag is something that everyone outside of Korea plays with all the time in LIVE events, so you have to understand that's what you get when you participate in LIVE foreigner events.

Teamthinkquick already addressed the other points around having korean observers.

Btw, I don't know if there are any other Brood War events that tick all of these boxes:
1. Feature S-list progamers
2. Organized by foreigner scene
3. LIVE matches
4. Significant prize pool (keep in mind this was $500 for what was essentially a 3-hour event)
TeamThinkQuick
Profile Joined March 2021
200 Posts
March 18 2021 18:15 GMT
#40
It's okay, let them get it out of their system. Incessant whining and complaining can be therapeutic for some people. Fortunately, in this case the disappointed and confounded found something more entertaining and constructive to do with their time.

There are a lot of hills to climb in life, and you may not want to die on every single one of them. Save your emotions for more important things, you'll need them ;-)
https://trovo.live/TeamThinkQuickTTV *** https://www.twitch.tv/TeamThinkQuickTTV *** https://play.afreecatv.com/axtqttv
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