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Canada11350 Posts
Sorry if I'm blind, but I don't see any topic on this.
Has anyone been watching Artosis' series where he has his fans play on the terrible maps first released with the game while he commentates?
It's been a surprising entertaining set of games and recently culminated with some of our stalwarts in the foreign community playing a mini-tournament (TT1, G5, etc). Or in Artosis' words "great players playing on stupid maps." Not only are the games wonky, but you also get a some history and old school tips and tricks from old man Artosis. A trip down memory lane, filled with nostalgia for some. Or a brand new experience for those of us who only glanced at the old maps and skipped over to our downloaded map pack. I was highly entertained, perhaps you will too.
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I'm not sure how far back this goes- maybe the FFA on BGH was a precursor? But that's an actual map that people play regularly, so that doesn't really count.
I think the first true one was
Four Man FFAs on Blood Bath
After that, Artosis hops in to show chat how it's done
From there he starts going through many of the old maps, looking for the worst one for his fans to play FFA on.
Diablo the Worst Starcraft Map?
Next, they play Orbital Death with the most unfair spawns for FFA.
Then they are on to Hidden Shrine. I think by now killing Gemini first has become thing. (Gemini is a strong SC2 player but had the great misfortune of getting rushed / ganged up on for early eliminations. Then he was targeted for the memes.)
On to Plains of Snow '98. This one Artosis actually approved for the purposes of FFA.
The search for the worst map led him to Crazy Critters. Just finding space to place your building is a nightmare.
This was followed by Octopus and Dark Continent
Artosis joins again to play with his fans on Jungle Rumble.
Mid January the played Black Lotus and Tribes, the latter which gets some approval from Artosis.
Which brings us to this week:
Artosis hosted a FFA mini tournament.
Players: Father, Machine, Gypsy, TT1, G5Media, and Jaeyun.
The Rules:
First eliminated in the game is eliminated from the tournament. The winner of each game gets $10. The winner of the entire tournament gets $50.
Some map make their return from Artosis' early foray in searching for the worst BW map.
These are truly entertaining games:
Game 1: Crazy Critters
Game 2: Jeweled River
Game 3: Blood Bath
Game 4: Meltdown
Game 5: Crystallis
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TLADT24920 Posts
I watched a couple of the FFAs, but not the tournament ones yet. Problem I found was that while some were a bit entertaining, others were pretty boring after the beginning because it felt like the players didn't have a clue on how to approach the map or Artosis managed to miss some key fights while getting hung up on random things. Granted, I enjoyed that a bit when Sayle did it, but there can only be one Sayle lol.
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Canada11350 Posts
I think you'll like the tournament because they actually know what they were doing (as much as one can with those crazy maps) and play them relatively fast. You are right, some of the ones get bogged down. But I think all of them are worth listening to at least the beginning as Artosis expresses his horror with the map design.
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thedeadhaji
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Where's our hero CharlieMurphy, the hero of BloodBath we don't deserve.
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He's in the blog zone !
Bad maps are underrated.
There are some real gems.
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Doesn't Artosis also claim FS is a bad map?
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I've seen it, actually Jungle Rumble is one of the better Blizzard maps although it could use some improvements of course.
For my personal worst maps I'd pick the 7 player map Continental Divide, very hastily made map with few features, barely any mineral nodes and too much bare ground.Also we played a game on the 6 player map in the Brood War directory called River of Light which had 5 mineral patches per starting base and the expos had 5 patches as well.The design of it isn't that bad for blizzard standards but the 5 patches only really makes for a bad game.
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Fun series! Arty wasn't a fan of FFAs back in the x17 days. Glad that's changed.
Shout out to the 12-year strong No Hunters Free For All community <3
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Canada11350 Posts
On January 29 2021 15:01 MineraIs wrote:
Doesn't Artosis also claim FS is a bad map?
During the series he was suggesting that pro-gamers usually want boring maps because they are predictable, but he was finding even though Blizzard poorly designed these maps, they did produce very entertaining games. I think FS fits his definition of a boring map.
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Machine is such a machine.
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On January 29 2021 15:01 MineraIs wrote:
Doesn't Artosis also claim FS is a bad map?
Artosis claims a lot of things.
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Love everything with Artosis.
«Look at this, scvs and probes mining side by side......disgusting» 😂
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The FFA tournament is absolute gold! Sincerely hope Artosis does more stuff like this in the future. Had a blast watching through them all. Major nostalgia bomb as well. I played FFAs on many of those maps at lans back in '05-06; seeing actual decent players tackle them some 15 years later is both bizarre and immensely entertaining
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If you have ever played on (4) Dark Crystal, your ability to feel any pain will probably be gone at once and for all.
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Bloody Map = Blood Bath. And everyone played terribly on it. Artosis commentary was very novice about the map as well. Very disappointed. I wanna be on the next FFA of that. Also, the blizzard version is imbalanced gotta use my version.
PS- A great FFA map is actually micro hunters jail (whatever its called). Its not a blizzard map but its very fun and entertaining. 8 player 64x64
Would anyone be interested in playing in a similar thing artosis is doing for maps that I pick and commentate on? I guess I would be willing to offer incentives and a similar loser is out for next map until 1v1 style tournament? Start with 8 players, offer winner of each match 5$ and overall winner gets main prize of 40$ or whatever? Any map suggestions ?
Im thinking small divide/space madness for the 1v1 , blood bath for 4, predators for the 5, micro hunters for 8.
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On January 30 2021 08:27 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Bloody Map = Blood Bath. And everyone played terribly on it. Artosis commentary was very novice about the map as well. Very disappointed. I wanna be on the next FFA of that. Also, the blizzard version is imbalanced gotta use my version.
PS- A great FFA map is actually micro hunters jail (whatever its called). Its not a blizzard map but its very fun and entertaining. 8 player 64x64
Would anyone be interested in playing in a similar thing artosis is doing for maps that I pick and commentate on? I guess I would be willing to offer incentives and a similar loser is out for next map until 1v1 style tournament? Start with 8 players, offer winner of each match 5$ and overall winner gets main prize of 40$ or whatever? Any map suggestions ?
Im thinking small divide/space madness for the 1v1 , blood bath for 4, predators for the 5, micro hunters for 8.
You may find a lot of interested players from the following discord:
NHFFA (No Hunters Free For All) - A casual community built around playing large FFA style games on community or blizzard made maps or other for fun BroodWar games! Join the NHFFA discord here
As for a source for FFA maps, BroodWarMaps.Net may be of interest as well. The website has been a staple of SC map makers for many years, including ASL/Ladder mappers. Excalibur, who has been making FFA maps for nearly two decades (especially for the NHFFA community), has created and uploaded over 100 FFA maps on that site (they are usually very large maps), but there are many more available on that site if you are interested.
Big shout out to GrethSC for casting and uploading many videos of FFAs for the NHFFA community.
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thedeadhaji
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On January 30 2021 08:53 ox.tQ wrote:As for a source for FFA maps, BroodWarMaps.Net may be of interest as well. The website has been a staple of SC map makers for many years, including ASL/Ladder mappers. Excalibur, who has been making FFA maps for nearly two decades (especially for the NHFFA community), has created and uploaded over 100 FFA maps on that site (they are usually very large maps), but there are many more available on that site if you are interested. Big shout out to GrethSC for casting and uploading many videos of FFAs for the NHFFA community.
Use this link for the NHFFA map pack, I uploaded this latest archive a week ago.Should be around 150 maps?
https://gofile.io/d/vCejoq
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Canada11350 Posts
On January 30 2021 08:27 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Bloody Map = Blood Bath. And everyone played terribly on it. Artosis commentary was very novice about the map as well. Very disappointed. I wanna be on the next FFA of that. Also, the blizzard version is imbalanced gotta use my version.
Whoops. My bad. I was following Artosis' naming convention, but I should've known better. Blood Bath (and Crystallis) is one of the few original maps I've actually played on.
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