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[7x]dizzy
Russian Federation35 Posts
I was able to win all starcraft levels (terran zerg toss), but after i started broodwar i stuck at level 8 terran "To Chain the Beast". Currently i've spended 50 tries and my best result is 8:54. Is it possible to beat this map? Maybe i should consider it impossible and quit trying... For those who are interested in trying here is map dropmefiles.com | ||
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Eden Project
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Jealous
8598 Posts
On January 24 2021 01:59 Eden Project wrote: Just load your dropships up with a lot of medics and fly on in there. You don't technically need to kill the cerebrate. I don't remember the details exactly, but you can either do it right away or mass dropships/medics and d-matrix the dropships Have you actually loaded up this specific Co-op version of the game? You start with 2 Medics, no Dropships, no Vessels, etc. Maybe you were talking about the original campaign? | ||
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radley
Poland513 Posts
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Jealous
8598 Posts
On January 24 2021 04:07 radley wrote: Ive beaten whole terran campaign without mining any single gas, including this map. So coop shouldnt be a problem too. I tried launching this to beat it myself and man, it's tough. I suggest you give it a try and then come back. First 3 waves come shortly after your first bunkers are finished and it's like 3x24+ 2-2 Zerglings. Then about 20 Hydras. Somehow I don't think you'll beat it on your first try or without gas. | ||
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Freakling
Germany1373 Posts
On January 24 2021 04:07 radley wrote: Ive beaten whole terran campaign without mining any single gas, including this map. So coop shouldnt be a problem too. Only the expansion campaign, I presume? You definitely cannot beat all of the original Terran campaign without ever mining gas. | ||
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[7x]dizzy
Russian Federation35 Posts
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Jealous
8598 Posts
On January 24 2021 17:18 [7x]dizzy wrote: This is modified version, a.i. script changed to insane (it is campaign in original). You need resources to defend your base, i dont think you will have extra resources for starport and dropship. Are you playing this solo or with a teammate? I tried a few runs of solo, and even when I survive the first 3 groups of Zerglings, the Hydras come right after and it's really tough. The AI also attacks at your weakest angle, and it's difficult to wall properly on both sides of the starting base  So far, haven't been able to make it past the first wave of Hydras alone. | ||
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[7x]dizzy
Russian Federation35 Posts
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Jealous
8598 Posts
On January 25 2021 22:33 [7x]dizzy wrote: I am playing with |BlackMamba|. Why play solo, its twice harder I thought that this was why you were asking if it's possible hahaha. I'll ask my friend to help out and we'll see if we can beat it. | ||
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arbiter_md
Moldova1178 Posts
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Jealous
8598 Posts
1. ~24+ Zerglings per Zerg (3x) 2. ~12+ Hydralisk per Z, with the occasional Dark Swarm 3. ~12+ Mutalisks per Z - hits around 4:30 4. Devourer + Guardian - hits around 7:30 -- Random Queens, Infested Terrans, Defiler + Plague etc. start appearing now -- 5. Ultralisk + Devourer + Guardian + Hydralisk - hits around 11:30 6. ??? For those thinking that this sounds manageable, keep in mind that you start with 0-0 upgrades on everything while the AI has 2-2 on everything, as well as all the techs (Cracklings, fully upgraded Hydra, Broodling + Ensnare, Plague etc.) I am getting the impression that it is impossible to hold everything at 12 minutes. There is just simply too much. I think that the goal should be to make a Dropship, have 2+ Vessels, then use D-matrix on the Medics and Dropship, and just fly that shit to the beacons. At this point I am not sure how we can hold that 11:30 wave. Some other particularly annoying things are that sometimes the first Zergling wave comes before we can even fill Bunkers with the Marines retreating from the "expansion" (what a laughable concept). Mutalisks sometimes hit just Player 2, sometimes both Players. Same with the Hydralisks, though it seems now that we learned how to fortify Player 2 properly, they started splitting up to both players more often. The fact that they sometimes come through the backdoor of Player 2 is also some bullshit. I wish that the AI waves were more consistent in direction and target, but alas, that seems to be part of the challenge. I suspect that expanding to the bottom right island is out of the question as these AI maphack and have a fuckton of air Anyway, our approach right now is Player 1 walls the North side of their base Zergling-tight with 2 Medics, Factory, Machine Shop, Refinery, 2 Medics, Depot, Barracks on top of minerals. Player 1 also brings the first 4 Marines from the "expansion" to Player 2 and puts them in a Bunker. Player 1 rushes to Siege Tanks and sends 2 to Player 2, then 2 for themselves. Player 2 uses Depots, Barracks, and Engineering Bay to try to funnel the army to come from 2 sides in the North, and makes 3 Bunkers (1 Bunker from Player 1, so total of 4) in a pattern that allows for optimal repair surface area. Player 2 goes for Vultures + Spider Mines for the first few waves of Zergling/Hydralisk, going into Valkyries for the Mutalisks. We're not quite sure what is the best approach for Player 1 after the Siege Tanks; Bio seems to be sensible since they already have to produce it to fill the Bunkers and because they already have Medics/Marine Range. Vessels seems to be a good way to spend the extra gas but Irradiate is never done in time for the Mutalisk timing and I am not sure how useful it will be against the later waves, as there is just way too much. We decided to call it a night after the 12 minute game, will get back to it in the coming days to see if it is possible for us, at least TT__TT | ||
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[7x]dizzy
Russian Federation35 Posts
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Jealous
8598 Posts
On January 29 2021 01:21 [7x]dizzy wrote: Done playing broodwar campaign. 2 more "impossible" levels : Zerg 3 (The Kel-Morian Combine) and Zerg 7 (The Drawing of the Web). You get outnumbered before you can even make army for defence. How can you say you are truly "done" then?  Any thoughts on my post above concerning Terran 8? Have you tried rushing the objective as I described above, with Dropship + Medics + D-Matrix? Any pointers from your gameplay experience? What does your Player 2 base look like? Etc. Link these Co-op levels that you listed as impossible. Once my partner and I beat Terran 8, we will take those out too  | ||
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EmptyHands
14 Posts
But my main trick was just saving every minute. This way you know were the waves will come from, when they will come, how many will come and you can prepare beforehand and try it several times till you succeed. The rest is just slow grinding till you win. | ||
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[7x]dizzy
Russian Federation35 Posts
https://dropmefiles.com/A3rsc | ||
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Leonix
29 Posts
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EmptyHands
14 Posts
Maybe I made it sound too easy that wasnΒ΄t my intention and I know these missions are hard to beat. Every mission has itΒ΄s own challenge, but the waves are repetitive as itΒ΄s the same AI on all the maps and after playing several dozen hours of these missions you kinda know how to handle them. I also played these Missions alone and restarting a whole mission (that worked in my favor so far) only because the mutas didnΒ΄t come in the right angle, became quite stupid after a while. I also like your DS reference as I never played that game, but you seem to suffer some heavy ptsd from it. | ||
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Jealous
8598 Posts
On January 29 2021 20:20 EmptyHands wrote: I meant the mineral patches of the missions not my own resources(lol), so the problems at the beginning are still the same. But yes after i stabilized the 50k mineral stacks work too much in my favor, thatΒ΄s why I said that I donΒ΄t know if that counts. I also had a rerun with normal patches but never played till that certain Mission. Just like Jealous said the attack patterns change quite often and itΒ΄s already really hard to fend of the enemy forces as you often start with 3-4 SCVs and need a good balance between defense and economy to survive the hordes. The thing with the saves makes it more like a puzzle and saves you a lot of time, as you only have to solve several sections to beat the mission. I mainly wanted to see if itΒ΄s possible to beat them if the scenarios would work perfectly in your hands, as the creator of these maps wrote that "some maps could be impossible to beat". Maybe I made it sound too easy that wasnΒ΄t my intention and I know these missions are hard to beat. Every mission has itΒ΄s own challenge, but the waves are repetitive as itΒ΄s the same AI on all the maps and after playing several dozen hours of these missions you kinda know how to handle them. I also played these Missions alone and restarting a whole mission (that worked in my favor so far) only because the mutas didnΒ΄t come in the right angle, became quite stupid after a while. I also like your DS reference as I never played that game, but you seem to suffer some heavy ptsd from it. I can't fathom trying to beat this mission as a solo player, the map linked by OP specifically. I get to about 4 minutes and then die when trying to play single player on this co-op mission, so mineral amounts never even factor in. For the record, my recent peak was low A rank Protoss 2 years ago on RM ladder and since then I've mostly been playing TvP casually, I'd estimate my T is around high C low B, while my friend hit B on ICCup with T and regularly pumps out 200+ APM in this mission. I find it hard to believe that not only are we not good enough to beat this (yet), but that anyone could beat it solo at all, regardless of mineral patches or whatnot. | ||
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[7x]dizzy
Russian Federation35 Posts
-I start at left and rush to siege. I make a wall with engeneering, refinery, barrack and academy. It has 3 holes, so i use 2 medics, 1 scv 1 marine and 1 scv 1 marine to make them lingtight. I send all my tanks to my ally at right side. -Ally starts at right side and make 6 bunkers. He repair them each attack. We save/load until get into situation when all hydra goes to right base and dies due to siege (since i have no bunkers) Before muta comes i make 2 bunkers and 4 turrets, my ally comes to me with his m&m army. Then we die to guards and ultralisks. | ||
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