EPT2. Are the earnings sustainable? Are some streamers leaving the game for financial reasons?
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
2. Are the earnings sustainable? Are some streamers leaving the game for financial reasons? | ||
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PorkSoda
170 Posts
On December 08 2019 07:23 Cruiser0929 wrote: umm... I must say. No matter what Web site you go to in Korea, it will be hard for anyone to get a replay of a progamer. The reason is that they are very sensitive to replay. (Strategic exposure or consideration for the other party, etc.) Also, Ygosu is no longer a friendly site. There are still many good people. There are a lot of bad StarCraft 1 fans compared to the past. I don't think you'll be much of a help to get into the site. In fact, there are quite a few of the gamers and fans who don't use Ygosu. I hope that some retired pros will give their replays to the community. Replays are an incredible resource. | ||
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TT1
Canada10011 Posts
On December 08 2019 11:45 PorkSoda wrote: I hope that some retired pros will give their replays to the community. Replays are an incredible resource. tutorials even more so, the translated FlaSh tutorials are amazing https://www.youtube.com/user/IIjinjinnII/videos | ||
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
I always felt that back in the very early days of SC2 (2010-2012) that the Korean Under-18 crowd chose League of Legends en masse instead of StarCraft 2, and this along with the 2010 matchfixing scandal in Brood War severely stifled the long-term growth of the Korean SC2 scene, putting it in the situation it is now. I would be curious to know if there is any kind of favoritism for Riot Games over Blizzard if indeed there is an air of anger & dissatisfaction from Korean games towards Blizzard. | ||
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Jealous
10229 Posts
Now that I'm already posting, a question came to me. How do Koreans view the foreign scene? Like, are they thinking "what is wrong with these chobos" or have recent appearances by Eonzerg, Dewalt, and Cadenzie in Korea increased the interest in the foreign scene? Anything you can share  | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 08 2019 10:22 outscar wrote: Is it hard to reach S rank on Korean server? Artosis, by the way, almost there. ^^ I don't know if there are different grades for different servers. But we're a tough guy, because we have a lot of professional gamers. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 08 2019 11:44 StRyKeR wrote: 1. How do progamers make most of their money? Donations? YouTube views? Do they make a significant amount from YouTube? 2. Are the earnings sustainable? Are some streamers leaving the game for financial reasons? 1. You're right. They are making money from donations and YouTube profits. 2. Even professional gamers in Korea are considered to be thoroughly competent. If the gamers who were famous during their pro gamers were very profitable because they had a lot of fans. For example, "Flash", "Stork", "bisu", "Jaedong", etc. However, gamers who were not famous need good skills to earn their income. Those who don't do so often end broadcasting for financial reasons. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 08 2019 11:45 PorkSoda wrote: I hope that some retired pros will give their replays to the community. Replays are an incredible resource. They are people who make money with their skills and skills. It is likely to be a difficult problem. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 08 2019 12:46 Chris_Havoc wrote: Well this is very interesting info, and it somewhat confirms my theory of why there is no new blood in StarCraft 2 I always felt that back in the very early days of SC2 (2010-2012) that the Korean Under-18 crowd chose League of Legends en masse instead of StarCraft 2, and this along with the 2010 matchfixing scandal in Brood War severely stifled the long-term growth of the Korean SC2 scene, putting it in the situation it is now. I would be curious to know if there is any kind of favoritism for Riot Games over Blizzard if indeed there is an air of anger & dissatisfaction from Korean games towards Blizzard. What you say is really accurate. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 08 2019 13:58 Jealous wrote: Just wanted to hop in here to say thank you very much for taking the time to talk to us about the game we love, the players we follow, and cluing us into what's going on in Korea. It is hugely appreciated <3 Now that I'm already posting, a question came to me. How do Koreans view the foreign scene? Like, are they thinking "what is wrong with these chobos" or have recent appearances by Eonzerg, Dewalt, and Cadenzie in Korea increased the interest in the foreign scene? Anything you can share Korean gamers and fans don't care much about foreigners' skills. I would be interested if there was a player in a foreign country comparable to "Flash." But I am interested when they come to Korea and broadcast. Actually, "Dewalt" and "Eonzerg" have lived and aired in Korea. At that time, they and Korean gamers played a lot of games. | ||
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ArmadA[NaS]
United States347 Posts
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 08 2019 16:08 f10eqq wrote: I think most people agree that Soma (박상현) is the #1 amateur player right now and another zerg, Zelot (서문지훈), is maybe #2. Who do koreans consider to be the best amateur Protoss and Terran players in korea? Zerg = #1 Soma (박상현) , #2 Zelot (서문지훈) , #3 Pitbullterrier (김대한) Protoss = #1 Mighty (이광용) Terran = #1 Shinee (샤이니) , #2 Bishop (정민기) , #3 Byul (강태완) The best as an amateur. | ||
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marwin
Ukraine110 Posts
2nd question. It seems like proleague format spon match takes place during the prime time every day with top players (usually 4v4 or 5v5). But it's not enough place sometimes for all current top skilled broadcasters. How do they select(recruit) players? And those who arent taken in, do they get disappointed because of that? | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 09 2019 06:57 marwin wrote: Back in the 2015 (I guess) Zero said in his interview that successful bjs got even more richer and not popular bjs became poorer. Is it actual? Does the korean community / top broadcasters support the less popular players? 2nd question. It seems like proleague format spon match takes place during the prime time every day with top players (usually 4v4 or 5v5). But it's not enough place sometimes for all current top skilled broadcasters. How do they select(recruit) players? And those who arent taken in, do they get disappointed because of that? ack in the 2015 (I guess) Zero said in his interview that successful bjs got even more richer and not popular bjs became poorer. Is it actual? => yes. true. Does the korean community / top broadcasters support the less popular players? => No 2nd question. It seems like proleague format spon match takes place during the prime time every day with top players (usually 4v4 or 5v5). But it's not enough place sometimes for all current top skilled broadcasters. How do they select(recruit) players? And those who arent taken in, do they get disappointed because of that? => The criteria for the selection of competitors are as follows: 1. Interracial balance. ex ) 5:5 = 4T 3P 3Z or 3T 4P 3Z, etc. 2. The players' game skills. Players who are not selected naturally feel sad. But they don't have to do it because the players who aren't chosen get together and play another game. There is nothing wrong with it. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
Thank you for coming here! I have a lot of questions=). 1.Do you believe a team league could ever start again? 2. Is there interest from old sponsors to for example sponsor just a player? Ever any rumors about old sponsors from the Kespa years? For example, KT to sponsor Flash again? Do you think Afreeca be okay with that on their streams? (My hope here is that if top players got big sponsors back, perhaps teams could be started around them) 3. When KT changed name to KT Fingerboom. Was it funny to koreans? Did people think it sounded like something sexual? Also, if I go to Seoul again is there any place I can go to buy jackets from old pro teams(I was a Khan fan. love Stork). 4. Are there famous starcraft1 related jokes/ sayings that are used in Korea by more than just fans? Like, Firebathero throwing socks, or that incident on Bnet attack with Hwasin when someone wrote "sexsexpussyhair"...? 5. Has Rain talked about his match against Light in the KSL finals? 6. Flash and Jaedong still has fans. But does new players get fans? 7. How does the Afreeca chat react if a good Korean player loses to a foreigner on stream? 8. What did the korean commentators say during Light vs Rain when the game looked like a bugged replay? 9. Does Korean Starcraft players want a 2v2 ranked ladder? Do they go to Blizzard forums when they want to give information about a problem in the game or for example 2v2 ladder? 10. I've been to Seoul 2 times, I want to go there again. Is there anything you would recommend to a Starcraft fan to do in Korea? | ||
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Kertorak
125 Posts
How do you describe "the best" player? (like flash) Gosu not (it's general for all very good player), page 1 word (i dont want to name it) not. Are you allowed to look into flash's eyes, when he would see it? Ok let me explain, I know it's bold to look at someone too long in korea, especially someone of higher status, age, perhaps gender. I am seeing flash as "higher status". | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 09 2019 10:16 Alpha-NP- wrote: Does Shinee have a youtube channel? He doesn't have a YouTube channel. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 09 2019 10:20 SirGlinG wrote: Hello! Thank you for coming here! I have a lot of questions=). 1.Do you believe a team league could ever start again? 2. Is there interest from old sponsors to for example sponsor just a player? Ever any rumors about old sponsors from the Kespa years? For example, KT to sponsor Flash again? Do you think Afreeca be okay with that on their streams? (My hope here is that if top players got big sponsors back, perhaps teams could be started around them) 3. When KT changed name to KT Fingerboom. Was it funny to koreans? Did people think it sounded like something sexual? Also, if I go to Seoul again is there any place I can go to buy jackets from old pro teams(I was a Khan fan. love Stork). 4. Are there famous starcraft1 related jokes/ sayings that are used in Korea by more than just fans? Like, Firebathero throwing socks, or that incident on Bnet attack with Hwasin when someone wrote "sexsexpussyhair"...? 5. Has Rain talked about his match against Light in the KSL finals? 6. Flash and Jaedong still has fans. But does new players get fans? 7. How does the Afreeca chat react if a good Korean player loses to a foreigner on stream? 8. What did the korean commentators say during Light vs Rain when the game looked like a bugged replay? 9. Does Korean Starcraft players want a 2v2 ranked ladder? Do they go to Blizzard forums when they want to give information about a problem in the game or for example 2v2 ladder? 10. I've been to Seoul 2 times, I want to go there again. Is there anything you would recommend to a Starcraft fan to do in Korea? 1.Do you believe a team league could ever start again? 2. Is there interest from old sponsors to for example sponsor just a player? Ever any rumors about old sponsors from the Kespa years? For example, KT to sponsor Flash again? Do you think Afreeca be okay with that on their streams? (My hope here is that if top players got big sponsors back, perhaps teams could be started around them) = I think that is unlikely. When companies sponsor games. Consider the image of the game. He had a pretty good image at the time of the pro league. I even made a military game team. (Air force ACE) But they had a lot of incidents, including match fixing. I think it's hard to get any more investment. I think they would be happier to stay at Afreecatv.com 3. When KT changed name to KT Fingerboom. Was it funny to koreans? Did people think it sounded like something sexual? Also, if I go to Seoul again is there any place I can go to buy jackets from old pro teams(I was a Khan fan. love Stork). = Their goods are no longer available. Because there is no place to buy things. 4. Are there famous starcraft1 related jokes/ sayings that are used in Korea by more than just fans? Like, Firebathero throwing socks, or that incident on Bnet attack with Hwasin when someone wrote "sexsexpussyhair"...? = There is no more famous anecdote than the two events. The events were Legend. 5. Has Rain talked about his match against Light in the KSL finals? = We didn't talk about it in the final. Since then, there have been comments made on personal broadcasts. He said. I felt that "Light" has practiced a lot. Since I didn't practice much, my judgment was clouded throughout the game. I'm sorry to be the runner-up. I don't care much because I'm not the one to dwell on the past. 6. Flash and Jaedong still has fans. But does new players get fans? = I don't think there will be a new player. Even if there are new players, there won't be many fans. But for example, players like "Fantasy", "TY" , "Stats" , "Maru" and "Soo" who are currently active in StarCraft 2. If they retire from StarCraft 2 and do StarCraft 1 personal broadcast on "Afreecatv.com" there will be many fans. 7. How does the Afreeca chat react if a good Korean player loses to a foreigner on stream? = They will have a lot of concern for the foreign players. And will continue to arrange a game. Chatting may be... I think there are chats that tease the gamer who lost to the foreigner. And there will be chatting that is surprising to the appearance of foreigners with good skills. 8. What did the korean commentators say during Light vs Rain when the game looked like a bugged replay? = It's hard to answer because I don't understand your question. Because I am not fluent in English. You have to ask questions in detail to answer them. I'm sorry. 9. Does Korean Starcraft players want a 2v2 ranked ladder? Do they go to Blizzard forums when they want to give information about a problem in the game or for example 2v2 ladder? = They want not only 2vs2 but also 3vs3 4vs4. But Blizzard doesn't listen. Yeah, like what you say they are on Blizzard Forum are completed. 10. I've been to Seoul 2 times, I want to go there again. Is there anything you would recommend to a Starcraft fan to do in Korea? = First of all, competition is open to the public think it essential. Their high quality that watching a live game is quite meaningful. Also, it would be good to go in the museum. sports e Probably know where if you can look up what you can. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 09 2019 11:11 Kertorak wrote: Which game do "new" players prefer, sc2 or bw? Young? I am not interested in other games information. How do you describe "the best" player? (like flash) Gosu not (it's general for all very good player), page 1 word (i dont want to name it) not. Are you allowed to look into flash's eyes, when he would see it? Ok let me explain, I know it's bold to look at someone too long in korea, especially someone of higher status, age, perhaps gender. I am seeing flash as "higher status". Which game do "new" players prefer, sc2 or bw? Young? I am not interested in other games information. = Unfortunately, young Korean gamers are not interested in StarCraft 1 and StarCraft 2. StarCraft 2 is not famous and StaCraft 1 is the entry barrier is too high. How do you describe "the best" player? (like flash) Gosu not (it's general for all very good player), page 1 word (i dont want to name it) not. = Korean StarCraft fans have the words "Flsah" and "Bisu." It's "GOD." | ||
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