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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
Warp Pylon -> when Pylon starts to change figure, Attack with Probe and then cancel. You canceled the Pylon, but you have the image of Pylon as you selected in the middle still. Once the opponent start making something, you can click the portrait or ctrl+c to center that unit of your screen. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8015 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6579 Posts
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iFU.spx
Russian Federation369 Posts
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
imagine the players that have been quietly abusing this since the beginning XD | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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MinixTheNerd
200 Posts
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
I don't see anything difference from normal. | ||
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5501 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28664 Posts
bovien, watch it from 1:25 to 1:45 and pay close attention | ||
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QuadroX
386 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8015 Posts
On September 30 2019 17:43 MinixTheNerd wrote: how did some1 even find this? My thoughts also ! How can you find this ? | ||
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Bonyth
Poland560 Posts
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
On September 30 2019 18:00 Liquid`Drone wrote: rofl this is hilarious. bovien, watch it from 1:25 to 1:45 and pay close attention to be fair scan's instruction at "Attack with Probe" is not 100% clear. press A and hover over the pylon with your cursor. as the pylon forms press left mouse click twice quickly. do this correctly the pylon will appear on the stat screen but not actually be selected. press escape right before it finished forming. | ||
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Ollin
Poland77 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28664 Posts
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
1.16 NOT RM screenshots ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/VdUpRC8.jpg) same game able to locate zerg enemy with alt-c ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Z0xFP5g.jpg) terran can do it too! ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/P7hNXTO.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/U7XCYsH.jpg) | ||
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Starecat
937 Posts
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
On September 30 2019 18:00 Liquid`Drone wrote: rofl this is hilarious. bovien, watch it from 1:25 to 1:45 and pay close attention I got it, thank you =]] I wonder Protoss players will do this in KSL 4? | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28664 Posts
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razorsuKe
Canada2000 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
On September 30 2019 18:41 razorsuKe wrote: whoa have you guys tried this in offline single player? it crashed the game for me u crash if you click the portrait of the non-existent pylon/building. you need to wait for your opponent to select something. | ||
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Starecat
937 Posts
And the math for the sacrificed minerals and if it is worth not scounting rushes at your door is not done. | ||
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razorsuKe
Canada2000 Posts
On September 30 2019 18:46 ggsimida wrote: u crash if you click the portrait of the non-existent pylon/building. you need to wait for your opponent to select something. LOL so if your opponent has a feeling that you're up to some tricks, he can delay building something during the time that he expects you to cancel a pylon and then if he's correct, your game will crash giving him an auto win? :D | ||
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art_of_turtle
United States1183 Posts
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asel
Germany1599 Posts
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
On September 30 2019 18:55 Starecat wrote: I don't think it will be banned muta stacking is dubious asf if you try to say if it is a bug or a feature, and like as Brood War goes every new bug people try to find advantage has counterplay. And the math for the sacrificed minerals and if it is worth not scounting rushes at your door is not done. quite the opportunity cost of having to build and cancel a pylon, getting a probe on standby for a couple of seconds to perform it plus another couple more seconds of idling at minimum just to see your opponent selected units/buildings. the information you get has to be super crucial to make up for economic dmg. best use in PvP maybe? do it at a certain timing to ascertain his tech in a pinch and you can see your opponent building DTs etc. very niche use imo, the user needs to know what his doing. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28664 Posts
IF you can see when the pool is starting for example, you can time this to scout for a 9pool and then 12 nex after not seeing one. That would be big in pvz. (would be hilarious if that became a 'new meta' and zergs started 8pooling to fuck with it lol.) | ||
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Bonyth
Poland560 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6579 Posts
On September 30 2019 19:44 Bonyth wrote: Nowadays, if a new thing is discovered, people are afraid of it and ban it. I hope it won't be the case this time. Let the game grow, don't restrain it. if isee you using that shit in moscow u not coming back to poland | ||
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Bonyth
Poland560 Posts
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loginn
France815 Posts
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kogeT
Poland2037 Posts
Just turn on the unit portrain, when you then box select the lurkers, if there are more than one, you will see portraint changing with "whie noise" between, meaining it's 2+ lurkers. | ||
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
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razorsuKe
Canada2000 Posts
On September 30 2019 19:30 ggsimida wrote: quite the opportunity cost of having to build and cancel a pylon, getting a probe on standby for a couple of seconds to perform it plus another couple more seconds of idling at minimum just to see your opponent selected units/buildings. the information you get has to be super crucial to make up for economic dmg. best use in PvP maybe? do it at a certain timing to ascertain his tech in a pinch and you can see your opponent building DTs etc. very niche use imo, the user needs to know what his doing. As is tradition with all new protoss tricks, it looks super awesome at first but then when it comes to implementing it into game play, it falls short. | ||
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pebble444
Italy2497 Posts
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Espers
United Kingdom606 Posts
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On September 30 2019 19:49 Bonyth wrote: remember it's #Corrupted $500 to ban this trick from competition you mean? | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On September 30 2019 18:27 Starecat wrote: I think the damaged SCV could either be grapgical bug because of the unintended behavior of the portrait exploit or judging by the camera this how the game treats a building unit internally like a building who starts with it's wireframe "damaged" untill it's done. It's not a damaged SCV. It's the one "TRAINING" SCV from the command center | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28664 Posts
On September 30 2019 20:59 GeckoXp wrote: $500 to ban this trick from competition you mean? auction, highest bidder gets to decide whether it is legal. Same rule for allied mines. | ||
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razorsuKe
Canada2000 Posts
On September 30 2019 20:56 Espers wrote: would be useful for island maps at least YES!! However, I don't think it will really change anything unless opponent was random - then you could determine race and adjust your build accordingly. Otherwise it kinda just saves you a bit of scouting time | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28664 Posts
On September 30 2019 21:30 razorsuKe wrote: YES!! However, I don't think it will really change anything unless opponent was random - then you could determine race and adjust your build accordingly. Otherwise it kinda just saves you a bit of scouting time For islands it is massive, and protoss really didn't need a boost there. 4 zeal drop is a viable opening if you know opponent's starting location, not otherwise. Sair openings likewise let you scout and adjust to your opponent if you scout the right place first - not necessarily if the third spot. | ||
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castleeMg
Canada760 Posts
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1893 Posts
On September 30 2019 18:40 Liquid`Drone wrote: Bug officially restricted @ Corrupted Cup.tbh I assume it will be banned from competitions. | ||
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Twisted Carnage
36 Posts
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
There's a strong reason to patch this bug out, which is that it will crash the game under certain circumstances. Even then, I also highly doubt being able to know the opponent's base this way is reasonable, so it will be removed completely instead of just fixing the crash. | ||
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Bonyth
Poland560 Posts
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Ideas
United States8097 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4126 Posts
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[AS]Rattus
427 Posts
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starithm
United States118 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4126 Posts
On September 30 2019 18:55 Starecat wrote: I don't think it will be banned muta stacking is dubious asf if you try to say if it is a bug or a feature, and like as Brood War goes every new bug people try to find advantage has counterplay. And the math for the sacrificed minerals and if it is worth not scounting rushes at your door is not done. Dude this gives Protoss a HUGE advantage, 25 minerals is nothing if you can know where your opponent is instantly on 4 player maps. Protoss can now deny a Zerg hatch first every single time, probe harass Terran and proxy gates etc. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28664 Posts
On islands this is totally broken. But even as a random player, I will be happy if protosses try to scout me doing this instead of actually scouting. | ||
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
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Espers
United Kingdom606 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28664 Posts
I was worried for a sec if it was possible to scout pool timings with this, because then you could use this to go for a safe 12 nex. But it seems like that is not the case. I think it has virtually 0 real utility on a land map, at least pvz. | ||
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chozen86
United States60 Posts
Also agree this will likely not be worth it vs. random, since the main thing I want to know is if the opponent is z or p/t, so I can decide whether to forward pylon (for FFE/GE) or not, and you have to make at least 1 pylon before this. Related: curious where the last two (or more?) "hacks"/bugs for Protoss have fallen on ladder/competitive play: IIRC there was a splash at the time about the total recall bug and the half-priced archons trick, but I haven't really seen them explicitly banned or even attempted in competitive play? Probably a combo of opportunity cost + required skill + unwritten community norms. I expect the same thing to happen to this bug, meaning a patch really isn't necessary. | ||
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Apfelbaeumchen
2 Posts
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1903 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28664 Posts
There might be some timings that are really really crisp with certain players that always adhere to a particular build and always build the same units at the same seconds. Then you have to time a pylon exactly the pylon build time before they start morphing an egg with that timing, then wait for ~15 seconds with 0 actions, and then hope you got something out of it. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4126 Posts
On September 30 2019 22:56 Liquid`Drone wrote: dante no, because you have to build a pylon and cancel the pylon, and it has to be the second pylon obviously. you can't build a pylon, build another pylon, cancel that pylon when it's done, then scout the zerg and deny their hatchery. For a scout to be early enough to be of significance, you'd have to screw up your own build order to the point where any advantage you get is removed. On islands this is totally broken. But even as a random player, I will be happy if protosses try to scout me doing this instead of actually scouting. Maybe not to block hatch first then, but something like proxy gate would definitely be doable. I could see something like Pylon, Gateway, Pylon (cancel) and you'll know where T is before your gateway finishes. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
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KwarK
United States42640 Posts
On September 30 2019 18:55 Starecat wrote: I don't think it will be banned muta stacking is dubious asf if you try to say if it is a bug or a feature, and like as Brood War goes every new bug people try to find advantage has counterplay. And the math for the sacrificed minerals and if it is worth not scounting rushes at your door is not done. Muta stacking isn’t even a bug, it’s just selecting units with one of them outside of the magic box. It’s part of the point move vs formation move mechanics. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
On September 30 2019 22:41 Ideas wrote: It only works with protoss? Good -- and most important -- question would like to know about this as well If it is protoss only then definitely should be banned, even if all races may do this I think it still counts as essentially maphack & get banned | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3022 Posts
Can anyone explain this other bug as well? | ||
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TelecoM
United States10671 Posts
EDIT : So after killing Pylon, you have to keep Probe selected and hit CTRL+C to reveal their location ? Why was the SCV damaged? | ||
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4336 Posts
On October 01 2019 01:35 LG)Sabbath wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIXY6xDAvm0 Can anyone explain this other bug as well? What the fuck?!? How can he move the pylon field???? Seriously this is WAY more game breaking than the cancel pylon vision bug. | ||
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
On October 01 2019 02:18 Psyonic_Reaver wrote: What the fuck?!? How can he move the pylon field???? Seriously this is WAY more game breaking than the cancel pylon vision bug. This bug doesn't exist in SCR. In the video it says it was patched August 2019. | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3022 Posts
On October 01 2019 02:24 StRyKeR wrote: This bug doesn't exist in SCR. In the video it says it was patched August 2019. Oh ok thx | ||
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AdelSC123
France362 Posts
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
The "StarBugMaster" says you can actually do the same trick with Terran or Zerg. The mechanism seems to be to destroy a building 1) that's "transitioning" 2) being attacked 3) while clicking it. Then the clicked unit dies but somehow you are still selecting it, and it becomes the next unit created in the game, even an opponent's. So you can do this with a creep colony that dies exactly when it's about to turn into a sunken colony. I don't know what the equivalent would be for a Terran unit. This method isn't useful for Zerg because it's too expensive, and by the time you make a sunken you probably know where the opponent is anyway. | ||
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PorkSoda
170 Posts
On September 30 2019 20:23 razorsuKe wrote: As is tradition with all new protoss tricks, it looks super awesome at first but then when it comes to implementing it into game play, it falls short. For real. I remember when total recall what supposed to break TvP. It’s not even a thing anyone thinks about anymore. | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
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LML
Germany1764 Posts
On September 30 2019 23:57 Dante08 wrote: Maybe not to block hatch first then, but something like proxy gate would definitely be doable. I could see something like Pylon, Gateway, Pylon (cancel) and you'll know where T is before your gateway finishes. so? there is no need to know where the T is before your gate finishes if you proxy gate. You only need to know by the time the zealot finishes and by that time you will have scouted 2 locations and know already anyway | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
This has to be removed right? Has any pro players talked about it on stream? You thoughts on it Scan? | ||
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
On October 01 2019 04:26 LML wrote: so? there is no need to know where the T is before your gate finishes if you proxy gate. You only need to know by the time the zealot finishes and by that time you will have scouted 2 locations and know already anyway Funny if they're proxying you as well, u just get sent on the minimap just right next to your proxy gateways. | ||
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LML
Germany1764 Posts
On October 01 2019 05:11 SirGlinG wrote: proxy in you natural no scout ladder massacre. This has to be removed right? Has any pro players talked about it on stream? You thoughts on it Scan? proxy in your natural how? if he needs to make a pylon first to find out where you are, then his probe will arrive in your natural for a proxy by the time you already have more than enough units to stop it. | ||
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KwarK
United States42640 Posts
On October 01 2019 05:52 LML wrote: proxy in your natural how? if he needs to make a pylon first to find out where you are, then his probe will arrive in your natural for a proxy by the time you already have more than enough units to stop it. Cut probes, send probe towards middle of map on 6, pylon 6, 8 pylon in their base, forge in their base, cannon. | ||
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Highgamer
1407 Posts
Can't believe people are actually arguing to leave this in if it could be patched out. Even if the advantage is restricted to certain situations and limited due to the early investment, the nature of this bug is just so different from other movement-bugs etc., it's mingling with s.th. that should be equal for all. | ||
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razorsuKe
Canada2000 Posts
On October 01 2019 02:24 StRyKeR wrote: This bug doesn't exist in SCR. In the video it says it was patched August 2019. ok but I'm still curious about how it's done, do you (or someone else) have a link for the explanation? | ||
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art_of_turtle
United States1183 Posts
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6635 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19231 Posts
On October 01 2019 06:35 Highgamer wrote: "One race gets to know where the oppo is without scouting if they want to".... stupid. Can't believe people are actually arguing to leave this in if it could be patched out. Even if the advantage is restricted to certain situations and limited due to the early investment, the nature of this bug is just so different from other movement-bugs etc., it's mingling with s.th. that should be equal for all. An alternative fix is the SC2 way where 4player or greater maps let all opponents know where the other is. I'm open to hearing support for this, but my initial stance is dismissive. I think ultimately the bug causes to many questions and issues including crashing the game. | ||
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Highgamer
1407 Posts
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On October 01 2019 06:35 Highgamer wrote: "One race gets to know where the oppo is without scouting if they want to".... stupid. Can't believe people are actually arguing to leave this in if it could be patched out. Even if the advantage is restricted to certain situations and limited due to the early investment, the nature of this bug is just so different from other movement-bugs etc., it's mingling with s.th. that should be equal for all. I don't think it should be allowed either but it will still be interesting to see how it will affect meta so there's that. I'd be really interested in hearing what the pros say about this. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10153 Posts
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
14:08 FBH and StarBugMaster showing a variant of this bug through creep/sunken colony. so its not just protoss :D whole video is full of (some known some not) bugs cool to watch | ||
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
On October 01 2019 03:30 PorkSoda wrote: For real. I remember when total recall what supposed to break TvP. It’s not even a thing anyone thinks about anymore. Step 1: use this glitch to scout their location Step 2: Half price archons to make 400 supply worth of archons Step 3: TOTAL RECALL Seriously though, I love how people keep finding these weird glitches and it's ALWAYS Protoss lol. It seems like Blizzard really cut corners when they were testing Protoss. | ||
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KwarK
United States42640 Posts
On October 01 2019 11:09 Luddite wrote: Step 1: use this glitch to scout their location Step 2: Half price archons to make 400 supply worth of archons Step 3: TOTAL RECALL Seriously though, I love how people keep finding these weird glitches and it's ALWAYS Protoss lol. It seems like Blizzard really cut corners when they were testing Protoss. Are half price archons still a thing? | ||
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
On October 01 2019 10:37 ggsimida wrote: https://youtu.be/z2FxJ23YOuo? 14:08 FBH and StarBugMaster showing a variant of this bug through creep/sunken colony. so its not just protoss :D whole video is full of (some known some not) bugs cool to watch Does it have to be killed, or can you just cancel the sunken? If works with a cancel, I think you could do a 4-pool rush without hurting the timing too much, and then you hit the right spot every time. That's pretty deadly, and extremely annoying for ladder. | ||
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
On October 01 2019 11:15 Luddite wrote: Does it have to be killed, or can you just cancel the sunken? If works with a cancel, I think you could do a 4-pool rush without hurting the timing too much, and then you hit the right spot every time. That's pretty deadly, and extremely annoying for ladder. far harder to do reliably with the classic method, the "transitory building animation" for terran/zerg buildings is pretty short compared to protoss. using yamato or any high dmg cumulative attacks/ability on the building is basically letting the game press escape for you during the animation. | ||
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xehcechbsky
9 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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Jealous
10141 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8015 Posts
On October 01 2019 16:33 Jealous wrote: Every year, something new, never fails. THE EVERGREEN GAME !!!! | ||
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Starecat
937 Posts
On October 01 2019 00:24 Anc13nt wrote: Probably the weirdest glitch I might have ever seen in this game. Drones becoming rocks or flying templas weren't enough for you xD? | ||
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Freakling
Germany1529 Posts
On September 30 2019 19:34 Liquid`Drone wrote: I haven't really tested what it is you can see from this. Is it just building units, or can you see what building the opponent is building? IF you can see when the pool is starting for example, you can time this to scout for a 9pool and then 12 nex after not seeing one. That would be big in pvz. (would be hilarious if that became a 'new meta' and zergs started 8pooling to fuck with it lol.) I am pretty sure it just links to whatever is the newest unit in the linked list of all units. So it could be any unit, including buildings, spawning Larvae, Interceptors, Scarabs, laid Mines, Halucinations, Drones recreated after cancelling an Extractor, surplus Lings or Scourge after they hatch, things unloading from drops probably too. EDIT: Even other wise unselectable units, such as Dark Swarm, Dweb or Scanner Sweep, it seems… Opportunity cost is hardly higher than that of sending a proper scout. I think this definitely falls under the category of things to be banned and, ideally, patched. It's like a soft map hack. On October 01 2019 11:15 Luddite wrote: Does it have to be killed, or can you just cancel the sunken? If works with a cancel, I think you could do a 4-pool rush without hurting the timing too much, and then you hit the right spot every time. That's pretty deadly, and extremely annoying for ladder. Zerg buildings turn back into Drones, or their respective precursor buildings, or Geysers in case of Extractors, which occupy the same list address. So it should not work with a cancel. You should be able to use an egg cancel though (downside: you lose 1 larva, upside: only 50 upfront investment for Lings/Drone morph with full refund). | ||
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PorkSoda
170 Posts
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Badfan92
5 Posts
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Garrl
Scotland1972 Posts
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
On October 01 2019 22:39 Badfan92 wrote: Has anyone been able to replicate it with a zerg egg? I can't get the egg to show up on the stats screen without selecting it. Do you have to do it as it's about to hatch? ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/fFTmsTg.jpg) so its anything that has a "transition animation" not just a building lol.. | ||
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Freakling
Germany1529 Posts
On October 01 2019 22:39 Badfan92 wrote: Has anyone been able to replicate it with a zerg egg? I can't get the egg to show up on the stats screen without selecting it. Do you have to do it as it's about to hatch? That's what I would try. On October 01 2019 23:02 ggsimida wrote: so its anything that has a transition animation.. What do you use for Terran? Add-ons? | ||
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
On October 01 2019 23:02 Freakling wrote: What do you use for Terran? Add-ons? i used a turret as you can see from my post in the 5th page of this thread. just time the yamato to hit the turret as the "transition animation" plays out (when the turret converts from its construction stage to complete) | ||
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Piste
6175 Posts
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Garrl
Scotland1972 Posts
On October 01 2019 23:42 Piste wrote: How is this even possible :O I wonder what sort of bug in the code enables this. (this is just my speculation, I might be entirely wrong) when you do the attack-double click thing, it doesn't clear the UI when the object dies as the game still thinks you've got the probe clicked (perhaps there isn't code for handling the specific transitory state between the building creation and finishing). Under normal circumstances, this doesn't matter because we can just click to another unit, but when you click on the portrait/ctrl c, the stored pointer to the unit points to something different as the memory has been reused by another unit being added to the list of building units, eg, before, our production list might look like this: [drone] [pylon] [drone] then: [drone] [ling] [drone] we still have a pointer to the second element after our list has been relinked. | ||
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AntiHack
Switzerland553 Posts
On October 01 2019 23:42 Piste wrote: How is this even possible :O I wonder what sort of bug in the code enables this. Maybe there's a layer of the code dedicated to all the unit-selection stats and portraits of the game so with that fast click you only trigger/enter that layer of code without the code of actual unit selection so once activated you keep the access to that sublayer of code. Or maybe it have something to do with a backdoor to the whole turn of the turn-rate due to p2p net code. | ||
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pebble444
Italy2497 Posts
On October 01 2019 23:42 Piste wrote: How is this even possible :O I wonder what sort of bug in the code enables this. The Broodwar Code was supposed to be made public as of 2019; This is the reason why Blizzard came out with remastered in the first place, by recreating a somewhat "new" game, to protect their intellectual property, and extend for another 20 years their copyright over the videogame, especially the code, thus insuring a consequential claim over possible massive Tournaments in the Korean scene. All this was done for money and intellectual protection. Videogames have a 20 year copyright claim, after that they become public domain. So to answer your question, you will probably never find out for another 20 years. | ||
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Garrl
Scotland1972 Posts
On October 02 2019 01:44 pebble444 wrote: The Broodwar Code was supposed to be made public as of 2019; This is the reason why Blizzard came out with remastered in the first place, by recreating a somewhat "new" game, to protect their intellectual property, and extend for another 20 years their copyright over the videogame, especially the code, thus insuring a consequential claim over possible massive Tournaments in the Korean scene. All this was done for money and intellectual protection. Videogames have a 20 year copyright claim, after that they become public domain. So to answer your question, you will probably never find out for another 20 years. what first of all, I don't even know where you got the 20 years copyright thing, but even after the copyright has expired there is absolutely no prerequisite to release the source code. | ||
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
On October 02 2019 01:44 pebble444 wrote: The Broodwar Code was supposed to be made public as of 2019; This is the reason why Blizzard came out with remastered in the first place, by recreating a somewhat "new" game, to protect their intellectual property, and extend for another 20 years their copyright over the videogame, especially the code, thus insuring a consequential claim over possible massive Tournaments in the Korean scene. All this was done for money and intellectual protection. Videogames have a 20 year copyright claim, after that they become public domain. So to answer your question, you will probably never find out for another 20 years. You're wrong on so many levels about this it's appalling. The U.S. copyright system has never worked that way and it never will. As long as Blizzard exists they will own the copyright to all their games in perpituity. If we go by the Berne Convention it would be 50 years beyond Blizzard ceasing to exist that StarCraft and their other properties could fall under the public domain, and even that isn't a guarantee by any stretch if another company buys the rights, which often happens. | ||
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kidcrash
United States620 Posts
On October 02 2019 02:39 Chris_Havoc wrote: You're wrong on so many levels about this it's appalling. The U.S. copyright system has never worked that way and it never will. As long as Blizzard exists they will own the copyright to all their games in perpituity. If we go by the Berne Convention it would be 50 years beyond Blizzard ceasing to exist that StarCraft and their other properties could fall under the public domain, and even that isn't a guarantee by any stretch if another company buys the rights, which often happens. I think he's thinking of patents which are different than intellectual property, although they are intertwined in certain ways. In case anyone is curious here is a list of patents I found that Activision Blizzard owns. https://www.cbinsights.com/investor/activision-patents ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Dywwic5.png) Edit: It looks like you have to sign up to see the list of all 170 patents but I just wanted to show examples to help explain the difference. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19231 Posts
On October 01 2019 18:48 Starecat wrote: Drones becoming rocks or flying templas weren't enough for you xD? Is there a vod of a drone becoming a rock somewhere? | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
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Freakling
Germany1529 Posts
On October 01 2019 23:42 Piste wrote: How is this even possible :O I wonder what sort of bug in the code enables this. I think it is probably a variation of the UI refresh glitch (the same that let's you give illegal orders to units, such as the half price Archon glitch). The rest is just the same unit "slot" being occupied by different units. On October 02 2019 01:44 pebble444 wrote: The Broodwar Code was supposed to be made public as of 2019; This is the reason why Blizzard came out with remastered in the first place, by recreating a somewhat "new" game, to protect their intellectual property, and extend for another 20 years their copyright over the videogame, especially the code, thus insuring a consequential claim over possible massive Tournaments in the Korean scene. All this was done for money and intellectual protection. Videogames have a 20 year copyright claim, after that they become public domain. So to answer your question, you will probably never find out for another 20 years. You could probably still use OpenBW as a code base to figure it out (not sure if it has all the UI functionality fully implemented though). | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
Poll: Should this bug be patched Yes (16) It doesn't matter. it's not feasible in meaningful games (5) No (4) Wait and see how it plays out in pro scene (2) 27 total votes Your vote: Should this bug be patched (Vote): Yes | ||
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TelecoM
United States10671 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On October 02 2019 10:52 GGzerG wrote: Yea this should be patched obviously lol was free archon patched? i do think it should be patched, though. i don't like that you could do it in ladder and beat some one on a 4 player map with some weird play and then they come onto tl and we have to explain to them this glitch and refer them to this thread ad nauseam. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13005 Posts
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ejac
United States1195 Posts
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TornadoSteve
1020 Posts
If it doesnt get patched, it will definately hurt this game a lot, and this at every level | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On October 02 2019 13:09 TornadoSteve wrote: This bug goes against everything that made this game so unique, so perfect If it doesnt get patched, it will definately hurt this game a lot, and this at every level i agree. lots of the funny bugs we find 15+ later in sc are cool but this one is very much not cool. in fact i don't even know how it was discovered how the hell would anyone.. but whatever. the archon/hallu bug proved to not be effective and was not patched though i don't think it will never come back into play. this, however, has big repercussions on people who want to maphack but can't afford to. | ||
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tec27
United States3696 Posts
On October 02 2019 05:53 Freakling wrote: I think it is probably a variation of the UI refresh glitch (the same that let's you give illegal orders to units, such as the half price Archon glitch). The rest is just the same unit "slot" being occupied by different units. Not really *that* related, this is due to some code around cleaning up graphical elements when things are no longer selected that doesn't function properly when certain sprites animate (e.g. the flashing selection circle), whereas the selection desync stuff is because of how turns are processed/tricks that the UI plays to make things feel responsive. Both can result in dangling/stale data that makes the game do some weird things, but the path to getting there is pretty different. On October 01 2019 01:35 LG)Sabbath wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIXY6xDAvm0 Can anyone explain this other bug as well? I've actually been meaning to make a thread about this one since it got patched. We (ShieldBattery devs) discovered this while trying to track down why pylons sometimes became unpowered during games, but it was too easily exploitable so we didn't want to spread that knowledge more widely until we had a fix in place. I'll create that thread eventually  | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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stanliv
3 Posts
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MeSaber
Sweden1235 Posts
On October 02 2019 11:26 RowdierBob wrote: Is this really that useful? Does building two pylons early and slowing your tech tree just to make sure you scout the right way make it worth it? I could be missing something here. It doesnt matter even if it is used.. Anyone who kills his pylon early on will be claimed cheater and banned from every competition. There is no need for patch imo. A patch will MOST LIKELY add some other bug or make the game different on some level that you will regret the patching. Edit: Oh and also.. We now have screen-view on minimap to show where people are looking. Kinda obvious if it randomly jumps to a corner on a unit/building. | ||
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A.Alm
Sweden515 Posts
On October 08 2019 23:42 MeSaber wrote: It doesnt matter even if it is used.. Anyone who kills his pylon early on will be claimed cheater and banned from every competition. There is no need for patch imo. A patch will MOST LIKELY add some other bug or make the game different on some level that you will regret the patching. Edit: Oh and also.. We now have screen-view on minimap to show where people are looking. Kinda obvious if it randomly jumps to a corner on a unit/building. I agree. Good points. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On October 02 2019 13:09 TornadoSteve wrote: This bug goes against everything that made this game so unique, so perfect If it doesnt get patched, it will definately hurt this game a lot, and this at every level The issue is, we don't know what causes this bug. It you patch it out you could patch out a TON of other bugs. Imagine if it somehow broke unit stacking? You want to take that risk? Better to just ban it at a tournament level. | ||
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MeSaber
Sweden1235 Posts
On October 02 2019 13:09 TornadoSteve wrote: This bug goes against everything that made this game so unique, so perfect If it doesnt get patched, it will definately hurt this game a lot, and this at every level Exaggerating a bit sir? There are plenty of bugs in this game. Some are even banned from competitive gaming. This bug isnt game breaking by any means. If it makes games to crash it does however need to get fixed. Else people could make it a thing to crash games. | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
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Freakling
Germany1529 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On October 09 2019 06:38 Freakling wrote: Oh, come on, this is not some black magic. It's not even touching on game mechanics… You have no idea what's causing the bug, if you patch out the cause of it it might break some of the now game mechanics that are actually bugs. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3682 Posts
On October 09 2019 06:41 Qikz wrote: You have no idea what's causing the bug, if you patch out the cause of it it might break some of the now game mechanics that are actually bugs. So they make a fix, put it on ptr, we test it and see if it breaks anything else. What's wrong with that approach? | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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Freakling
Germany1529 Posts
On October 09 2019 06:41 Qikz wrote: You have no idea what's causing the bug, if you patch out the cause of it it might break some of the now game mechanics that are actually bugs. The bug is created because some of the garbage is not correctly cleared when refreshing the UI under certain very specific conditions. What else do you think would changing this influence? | ||
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
On October 09 2019 06:33 Qikz wrote: Patching is a dangerous precedent as I mentioned before. If you patch this you risk breaking everything else. Your mentality, if generally held, is much too cautious. Many bugs have been patched in the past with no negative repercussions. Sunken colony crash bug when it initially was updated to have 300 hp -- patched with no adverse effects. The "build hatchery, cancel, then kill drone crash" was fixed -- no adverse effects. The "no pylon required to build" bug was patched early August 2019 -- no adverse effects. Most people didn't even know about the no pylon required bug, let alone the patch. | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
On October 08 2019 23:42 MeSaber wrote: It doesnt matter even if it is used.. Anyone who kills his pylon early on will be claimed cheater and banned from every competition. There is no need for patch imo. A patch will MOST LIKELY add some other bug or make the game different on some level that you will regret the patching. Edit: Oh and also.. We now have screen-view on minimap to show where people are looking. Kinda obvious if it randomly jumps to a corner on a unit/building. It's definitely blatant enough for it to be easily monitored in competitive play. I would say if it's a factor in causing a crash, it would be worth trying to fix it. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
On October 09 2019 23:49 Akio wrote: It's definitely blatant enough for it to be easily monitored in competitive play. I would say if it's a factor in causing a crash, it would be worth trying to fix it. This should be patched regardless of whether or not it factors into causing a crash, because it also affects the ladder. One race clearly has an unintended, unfair advantage, and it's easier to patch in a fix than it is to monitor and confirm or deny claims of cheating. By fixing something like this, Blizzard doesn't have to ban anybody. I think not banning your players is better than initiating some witch-hunt for the remainder (if finite) of the game's life because of laziness or ineptitude. | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
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Mirabel_
United States1768 Posts
remove anything janky enough to crash the game and leave anything else in I think it would benefit us to see if anyone was doing this in past broadcasts of SCR | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On October 10 2019 02:19 outscar wrote: I'm against patching because I don't think current team is capable of doing anything which consist from around 3 guys lol. Just look what they did with latest patch: if you switch old graphics on main menu you will see buttons not aligned properly and next go to campaign episode select screen where you will see they fucked up pretty bad, and many many more things... agreed. i don't think they would even bother to be honest. | ||
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Jealous
10141 Posts
On October 10 2019 08:41 Mirabel_ wrote: this reminds me of flag scouting (reveals the outlines of undiscovered buildings from the start of the game) which remains hardcoded in C&C Generals remove anything janky enough to crash the game and leave anything else in I think it would benefit us to see if anyone was doing this in past broadcasts of SCR Everyone would notice something so out of place. | ||
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fazek42
Hungary438 Posts
On October 10 2019 02:19 outscar wrote: I'm against patching because I don't think current team is capable of doing anything which consist from around 3 guys lol. Just look what they did with latest patch: if you switch old graphics on main menu you will see buttons not aligned properly and next go to campaign episode select screen where you will see they fucked up pretty bad, and many many more things... I just so wish they would hand over development of SC:R to tec27 and 2pacalypse Grant / Matt etc. are nice guys, but they are incompetent, because they have no idea how the SC ecoysystem works. Community guys do a much better job of things, as evidenced by ShieldBattery/Iccup/Mcalauncher | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
On October 10 2019 18:07 fazek42 wrote: I just so wish they would hand over development of SC:R to tec27 and 2pacalypse Grant / Matt etc. are nice guys, but they are incompetent, because they have no idea how the SC ecoysystem works. Community guys do a much better job of things, as evidenced by ShieldBattery/Iccup/Mcalauncher Just release source code and be done with it. Even without it community managed to make pre SC:R so many awesome programs and plugins, imagine what we could do if we had it. Look how awesome editor we have thanks so SuicidalInsanity. Meanwhile Blizz nerfing default StarEdit and 2+ years later no 2x2 ladder... Sad. | ||
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oshibori_probe
United States2933 Posts
I can see this maybe working at low elo PvP, going 8 pylon 9 pylon then figuring out your opponents location or it’s center gates. Getting to scout on 16 or something instead of after gateway has got to overcome the economic hiccup of canceling a pylon. | ||
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TT1
Canada10008 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On October 11 2019 13:31 TT1 wrote: Yea guys we're definitely opening Pandora's box here. Patch a bug here, patch a bug there.. what's next, a balance patch?? gateway patch imo so using this glitch is like vaping | ||
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