EPTBW Power Rank: January 2019 - Page 2
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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TT1
Canada10090 Posts
On January 04 2019 07:30 Alpha-NP- wrote: I’d like to see a VOD where Snow stops a Hydra-allin with a Maelstrom. Is that what you were talking about RWLabs? No, he must be opening gate exp (zeal pressure) into 1 sair. The normal response vs gate exp is 4 or 5 hatch powering into lair. He scouts like he normally does, if he sees a hydra allin he wouldn't go Mael/DA (he'd add cannons and tech to storm). He probably scouts continuously with his sair to check for spire timings, if he sees a spire he gets a DA. Going Mael/DA is to punish and deter zergs from going mutas. Mael is great even vs hydras so even if they don't go mutas (after you scout their spire) it doesn't really matter. That said, if he sair scouts and sees Z went 3 hatch lair/spire into 5h i assume he keeps pumping sairs and goes for +1 air. He probably plays it out like a "normal" PvZ from there. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On January 04 2019 07:27 errol1001 wrote: I get that it says Writer: FlashFTW at the bottom, but it says Text by: BigFan at the top. This is a little confusing. I had the impression you wrote it too. The top automatically fills in whoever posted the article. Of course, it can be changed when it gets newsed, but if the staff member it gets changed to doesn't have css access, it'll break the whole code. Articles like these use css, and some of the more fancy stuff have a lot of code in them that might even use js so only certain staff can post. There's a reason there's a credit section at the bottom  Regardless of that, FlaShFTW made it clear that EffOrt better starting putting up some sponmatch stats for several PRs now, and despite being a Flash fan, he still placed EffOrt on top which is ironic when you think about it. If Pauline can't accept that other members don't see EffOrt in the same light, well, I can't help him there. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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jinjin5000
United States1560 Posts
On January 03 2019 13:51 FyRe_DragOn wrote: I always enjoy reading these. Good writeup  something that bothers me though is the comparisons of these top players and their current forms to how good they were pre sc2. Do you seriously think they were better in 2009? These guys have been playing and studying actively for two years now, the level of skill in starcraft has risen across the board. If soulkey showed signs of his old form he would be disappointed in himself. The only players who I can think of who havent improved are maybe stork and jaedong. I actually think jaedong has improved in some ways but gotten worse mechanically..and I donno whats up with stork. Does he even care about competing anymore? The Korean commentator, the_marine put it in this perspective: Its a case by case situation, and people lime flash, he thinks is better due to evolving build concepts and execution and optimization, when if they are bit weaker physically compared to pro days However, JD's weakness on his play is elevated and his physical ability dropped so it had big impact | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2451 Posts
On January 03 2019 16:41 MightyBeast wrote: People I would have put on this list: Rush- dude is #1 on global rank and playing like it Best - dude is killing it in mpl Byul- also killing it in mpl Stork- also very high in global despite not playing in Ksl asl or mpl People I wouldn’t have put in this list Mini Action Sharp Last Thanks for the mpl info (and glad to hear my boy Stork's doing well!), but Sharp and Last certainly deserve to be somewhere on the top 10. Mini and Action I could agree with. | ||
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TT1
Canada10090 Posts
On January 03 2019 16:41 MightyBeast wrote: People I would have put on this list: Rush- dude is #1 on global rank and playing like it Best - dude is killing it in mpl Byul- also killing it in mpl Stork- also very high in global despite not playing in Ksl asl or mpl People I wouldn’t have put in this list Mini Action Sharp Last your opinion is terrible, you must be sexaddict on discord? | ||
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MightyBeast
117 Posts
On January 04 2019 13:06 TT1 wrote: your opinion is terrible, you must be sexaddict on discord? Lol how did you know that... but in all reality my 4 would easily beat the second 4 in a best of 7 hypothetical series, I think my opinions great. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On January 04 2019 14:08 MightyBeast wrote: Lol how did you know that... but in all reality my 4 would easily beat the second 4 in a best of 7 hypothetical series, I think my opinions great. Hey, I will gladly bet you money on it. Can we have some Korean user reach out to these players for a sponmatch? I assune everybody here wants me to throw down a tournament with cash won off MightyBeast | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1560 Posts
http://sponbbang.com/ it even shows you matchups vs said players on the month range. | ||
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TT1
Canada10090 Posts
On January 04 2019 14:08 MightyBeast wrote: Lol how did you know that... but in all reality my 4 would easily beat the second 4 in a best of 7 hypothetical series, I think my opinions great. well, at the very least i respect your honesty | ||
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ortseam
996 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10569 Posts
On January 03 2019 16:41 MightyBeast wrote: People I would have put on this list: Rush- dude is #1 on global rank and playing like it Best - dude is killing it in mpl Byul- also killing it in mpl Stork- also very high in global despite not playing in Ksl asl or mpl People I wouldn’t have put in this list Mini Action Sharp Last Asking a few questions here: are you implying Rush is the best player right now? Because the wording of your comment about him playing like #1 global rank seems to imply that. Best went 3-2 and 2 of his wins were over pretty mediocre terrans and even worse TvP players, he lost to Mind somehow, and his other win was against Movie, someone who I'm not really considering to be a good Protoss. He was a favorite in 4 of his games and lost to Snow which was expected. Not really "killing it" with only 1 game over .500 Byul played one game, and it was a TvT against ForGG, someone who literally came back a month ago and hasn't really been seen since. Again, idk if you have selective memory or you're trolling hardcore, because how can you describe someone as "killing it" off of a one game sample size. Hello? Stork needs to show me some performance first before I even consider him. He's been in the same slump since 2017 and hasn't had any expectations to get better. He's a variety/entertainment streamer now, not someone who seems to care about getting better. People you don't think belong there, I laugh at the notion that Sharp and Last don't belong. You're right, Top 4 and Top 2 finishers at KSL just don't belong I guess. Sharp beats Rain twice in BoX series but Sharp is the one that doesn't belong? What? Action was thrown in at #10, and if you read my statement about him, you could have literally anyone in there at #10. Mini is Mini, he's in there for past results more than anything and still better than anyone you listed in your 4. EDIT for more statistics: Rush was 0-2 in MPL, he lost to Tyson and Sangho (??? who?). Sharp was 3-1, his only loss was to FlaSh. Granted, all of his 3 wins were against Terrans. Last was 1-0. Action was 3-3 but beat Larva in an ACE match. I'd give him an extra win just for that tbh. Mini and Stork both didn't participate in MPL. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
ByuL won a single game in MPL against ForGG who imo played the game badly, aka could've played better. A single game means nothing, need a larger sample. Finally, Best, maybe an argument in the bottom 5, but nothing higher either. | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1774 Posts
On January 04 2019 06:56 BigFan wrote: No need to resort to such attacks. I didn't write this PR, and haven't written one since the ASL2 one in 2016. Or is the fact that Flash is top 1/2 in my book that harmful to your effort fanboyism? I don't care mister BW Editor-in-Chief, I hold you responsible -_- | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On January 05 2019 07:01 iFU.pauline wrote: I don't care mister BW Editor-in-Chief, I hold you responsible -_- What? Now you lost me. Responsible for what exactly? Publishing this PR? Formulating my thoughts on PR rankings in a coherent manner where I believe Flash should be higher? This is a Power Rank which can be subjective, and this thread serves as a platform for discussing the rankings. Many posters already stated their own thoughts pretty well, and yet you come in and decide to go for a personal attack instead of doing the same. In the interest of keeping the current ongoing discussion fruitful, I'm going to ask you nicely to refrain from pushing your luck further and contribute like everyone else. On January 03 2019 16:54 Letmelose wrote: In a hypothetical match-up between the two versions of the same players, the general consensus is that the current version of the ex-professional players would win initially due to the meta-game advancements, but the professionals would catch up quickly and surpass the current standards due to their more thorough practice regimen and superior mechanical crispness once the strategical understanding levels out. Bisu in particular has said on stream that he is able to replicate around 60% of his past mechanical proficiency, and perhaps 70% on a good day. Bisu is somebody who is extremely sensitive to being able to execute the motions of the game (he was notorious for being truly obsessed with playing Brood War only on Windows XP, due to the game having a slightly altering reaction speed difference which he could not properly play his trademark style without), so I'm willing to vouch for his words more than the gamers who were less reliant on their fundementals and mechanics. There is no single universal truth that applies to all the players, and it really does depend on what kind of player you are, and how heavily reliant you were on the past professional practice regime to excel as a competitive player. However, most streamers have gone on the record that their gaming hardware was vastly superior in the past, although it cannot be denied that their overall level of play has increased due to their superior theoretical understanding of the game itself. yes, it's an interesting discussion. Shuttle and Last for instance are a ton better than the old days while other players like Stork suffered greatly. I mostly make a broad statement because it's the running opinion, or was for several years at least. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2358 Posts
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crbox
Canada1181 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10569 Posts
On January 05 2019 12:13 XenOsky wrote: Sharp is imo top #3 dude is playing AMAZING lately his TvZ needs some work still in an expected Zerg heavy field. Especially with Soulkey and EffOrt in the field. Semifinals would be nice but Sharp has proved his TvP and his TvT has been excellent as usual. If his TvZ was better he's ahead of FlaSh, but since it isnt hes not. | ||
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