EPTBW Power Rank: January 2019 - Page 3
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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bd.Makin
Chile104 Posts
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MightyBeast
117 Posts
b) are either on the rise from relative obscurity to the top or are maintaining historical form recently c) I think are underrated because not enough people seem to acknowledge their existence because the sc scene has grown from 2016 on in great speeds that are difficult to measure. I’ll hand other posters the point on Sharp he is a good player but he is weak vs z and i know 2nd place in Ksl is good but he really got his naked buttocks exposed by Soulkey, metaphorically speaking. He didn’t look like a top 25 form in the finals. Rush was never implying is number one on power rank, only acknowledges he is number one on blizzard global ladder which all pro players play on including flash. Tournament results of 1st/2nd place are the biggest cash prizes but that doesn’t mean they are the only good indicator of form. Maybe my list has flaws but so does the “official” one maybe change it to 15 or 20 spots? It’s only a monthly publication so that wouldn’t be too much effort for the writers perhaps. I think best > mini is an obvious point that I am accurate on. Eros_byul, I was basing my whole post on that game vs forgg, but he looked damn good in it, and I watch his stream too and he crushed ladder and stuff too. He is someone more people covering Korean sc should acknowledge. Last idk he’s looked awful since winning ksl1 and shows no signs of getting better soon and isn’t participating in a lot is stuff. When healthy he’s a good player though. | ||
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TT1
Canada10090 Posts
On January 06 2019 13:54 MightyBeast wrote: My list was just based on trends I’ve been noticing in the overall sc game and my list was meant to reflect players that a) I think are skilled b) are either on the rise from relative obscurity to the top or are maintaining historical form recently c) I think are underrated because not enough people seem to acknowledge their existence because the sc scene has grown from 2016 on in great speeds that are difficult to measure. I’ll hand other posters the point on Sharp he is a good player but he is weak vs z and i know 2nd place in Ksl is good but he really got his naked buttocks exposed by Soulkey, metaphorically speaking. He didn’t look like a top 25 form in the finals. Rush was never implying is number one on power rank, only acknowledges he is number one on blizzard global ladder which all pro players play on including flash. Tournament results of 1st/2nd place are the biggest cash prizes but that doesn’t mean they are the only good indicator of form. Maybe my list has flaws but so does the “official” one maybe change it to 15 or 20 spots? It’s only a monthly publication so that wouldn’t be too much effort for the writers perhaps. I think best > mini is an obvious point that I am accurate on. Eros_byul, I was basing my whole post on that game vs forgg, but he looked damn good in it, and I watch his stream too and he crushed ladder and stuff too. He is someone more people covering Korean sc should acknowledge. Last idk he’s looked awful since winning ksl1 and shows no signs of getting better soon and isn’t participating in a lot is stuff. When healthy he’s a good player though. but u noob | ||
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MightyBeast
117 Posts
Lol and who is talking | ||
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TT1
Canada10090 Posts
u got me | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10568 Posts
On January 06 2019 13:54 MightyBeast wrote: My list was just based on trends You're new here it looks like, but my entire PR is based off of trends and recency bias. Always has and always will. I’ll hand other posters the point on Sharp he is a good player but he is weak vs z and i know 2nd place in Ksl is good but he really got his naked buttocks exposed by Soulkey, metaphorically speaking. He didn’t look like a top 25 form in the finals. So you would ignore everything he did in the entire month of December just so you can selectively pick out one series in a weak matchup? Doesn't sound like a very good line of reasoning. Tournament results of 1st/2nd place are the biggest cash prizes but that doesn’t mean they are the only good indicator of form. Maybe my list has flaws but so does the “official” one maybe change it to 15 or 20 spots? It’s only a monthly publication so that wouldn’t be too much effort for the writers perhaps. First, tournaments are the BEST indicators of form. Not your ladder rank and not the sponmatches. Offline tournaments and online tournaments will always and forever have been the best method of seeing who is the best in the PR. You wouldn't look at League of Legends Challenger Solo Queue to see who's the best players in each lane would you? Why would you do the same for Starcraft Ladder? The Ladder is a nice eye-test to see who might be good at the game, but it doesn't not show how good people are in the tournament setting which is the most important metric everyone in this community uses. And you've never written a PR. It was hard enough for me to find players after Mini on the PR that I would confidently write about in this month. There are very obvious players like FlaSh, EffOrt, SK, Last, Rain, etc. Then it gets very difficult for the ranking. That is why we have a CBNC, it fills out a list of potential players that could've made the top 10, but are probably in that 11-15 spot. But because when you get down that far it's so difficult to order players, we don't actually order them anymore. It's not worth the effort to go through that process. I think best > mini is an obvious point that I am accurate on. By what metric? You haven't actually given me an argument or any sort of evidence to support your claim. You just say he's better. Please provide your reasoning and then we can have a conversation on this. Eros_byul, I was basing my whole post on that game vs forgg, but he looked damn good in it, and I watch his stream too and he crushed ladder and stuff too. He is someone more people covering Korean sc should acknowledge. He played fine. Did not play "damn good". He blind countered Forgg twice that game with the early rax scout and then 3 fact vs 1 fact port. He had a massive lead that he should've ended the game 10 minutes earlier if a player like Sharp or Last was playing. Last idk he’s looked awful since winning ksl1 and shows no signs of getting better soon and isn’t participating in a lot is stuff. When healthy he’s a good player though. What? He looked fine in KSL2 until the awful series against SK. Again, it seems you have really selective memory when it comes to what was played to fit your opinion. He 3-0d Leta (expected), 3-1d Modesty (expected) and 3-0d Where (slightly not as expected I thought Where would take at least one game off of him). Did he get rofl stomped by SK? Yes. But he looked great in his 3 other series that he played. Last's longevity in the scene and also being KSL1 champ also scores him high marks. And being consistent top 5 in sponmatches is also important. | ||
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MightyBeast
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Rodya
546 Posts
Sharp got dumpstered by Soulkey, barely got by Rain with some shakey play (Last/Flash would have crushed Rain that day), and his earlier results in KSL 2 and ASL 6, while establishing him as perhaps a top 5 player, definitely doesn't break him into that elite top 4. Don't forget that Last 3-0'd Sharp in ASL 6. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On January 07 2019 11:17 Rodya wrote: Last is the second best Terran in the world and a top 4 player along with Flash, Effort, and Soulkey. That's honestly, in my opinion, the biggest problem with this power ranking. Putting Sharp above Last is absurd. He lost a series to Soulkey (who FlashFTW ranks as #1) in which he played unorthodox style relative to his usual play. No one who watched that series thought "this proves that Soulkey is better than Last". It was clear that something was up with Last - and I personally would rank 1. Flash 2. EffOrt 3. Last 4. Soulkey 5. Sharp 6. Rain 7. Jaedong 8. Mini 9. Shuttle 10. Snow. Sharp got dumpstered by Soulkey, barely got by Rain with some shakey play (Last/Flash would have crushed Rain that day), and his earlier results in KSL 2 and ASL 6, while establishing him as perhaps a top 5 player, definitely doesn't break him into that elite top 4. Don't forget that Last 3-0'd Sharp in ASL 6. Last looked amazing a month ago, now and with his wrist injury you could make a case that he should be higher rated, but I don't think it's a very strong case. While I agree that Last's series against Soulkey wasn't indicative of Last's skill and without going into the various rumors it still comes down to it that he didn't play well at all and it affects his ranking. Sharp's run in KSL was something to behold and his recent development and explosion from a TvT specialist to a well rounded top Terran contender has been a spectacle. You can see how much he prepares for his games and how much he must have practiced to get these results. Even in his 1-4 loss to Soulkey he performed well, Soulkey just looked unstoppable in that series. I think he's well earned to claim slot #4 this month. And Last placing behind Sharp and Rain (who like Last has been struggling a bit after a dominating streak) making both Last and Rain fall down 2 steps from last months ranking seem fair to me. | ||
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Rodya
546 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10568 Posts
On January 08 2019 00:33 Rodya wrote: Honestly I think that Last's ASL 6 run was better than Sharp's KSL 2 run. Ksl2 is more recent though | ||
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