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Starcraft Fantasy Proleague?

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Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-13 09:58:40
May 13 2007 09:58 GMT
#1
Does anyone else think that this would be kickass?
Sure there aren't all that many games played, but wouldn't it be frickin' awesome to go and say, "Ah yeah, I just signed Pusan for 50k, and now he's in my 2v2 team with Savior"?

Actually, I have no idea how fantasy leagues work at all, but the idea of a Starcraft Fantasy League is sexual.

Edit: If this has already been done before, then I'm a dumbass.
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
May 13 2007 10:00 GMT
#2
i'm good with liquibet
:-D
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
May 13 2007 10:00 GMT
#3
well the only "stats" you can really follow are wins and losses? It's tough b/c players you'd draft aren't guaranteed playing time in any way
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-13 10:00:44
May 13 2007 10:00 GMT
#4
You know what?

That would be incredibly neat

pressure: stop stealing third
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
May 13 2007 10:01 GMT
#5
On May 13 2007 19:00 Pressure wrote:
i'm good with liquibet
:-D


I'm sad that the liquibet leader has 0 posts
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
May 13 2007 10:05 GMT
#6
I'm so low on the ranking because I vote with my heart and not my logic
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 13 2007 10:06 GMT
#7
I would vote against boxer if I thought it would help.

I am a cold motherfucker
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
May 13 2007 10:08 GMT
#8
On May :00 fusionsdf wrote:
You know what?

That would be incredibly neat

pressure: stop stealing third

<3
btw i always vote T1 and Boxer no matter the bet
fookyou
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada351 Posts
May 13 2007 10:09 GMT
#9
This sounds awesome. Potentially better than Liquibet IMO =x...if it could happen.
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
May 13 2007 10:09 GMT
#10
On May 13 2007 19:05 QuietIdiot wrote:
I'm so low on the ranking because I vote with my heart and not my logic


same here, I'm always going for Boxer and other people I like, except I like it when Bisu beats Savior . This is different than the fusiondf guy posting before me, saying he would vote against Boxer to win the liquibet!!
red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
May 13 2007 10:10 GMT
#11
I always vote KTF and Ra even though it probably loses me about 50-100 spots per liquibet season.
Broom
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 13 2007 10:12 GMT
#12
I will never, ever fully trust ra. If he goes 16-0, I will still be nervous as hell when voting for him.

pressure = rival
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
May 13 2007 10:14 GMT
#13
On May 13 2007 19:06 fusionsdf wrote:
I would vote against boxer if I thought it would help.

I am a cold motherfucker


I have voted against Reach every single time man
Reach!
joohyunee
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Korea (South)1087 Posts
May 13 2007 10:16 GMT
#14
i won a season so i'm not trying to win anymore. so i just go with my heart and not logic anymore =)
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
May 13 2007 10:17 GMT
#15
On May :12 fusionsdf wrote:
I will never, ever fully trust ra. If he goes 16-0, I will still be nervous as hell when voting for him.

pressure = rival

we shall revive the TL sidebet thread
;]
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 13 2007 10:17 GMT
#16
seriously though.
I went child until he stopped winning (I stopped voting for him on his last win)
I went mad sheis
I went darkelf

I am still like 7 points behind the leader. that shit is not fair.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
May 13 2007 10:18 GMT
#17
we should ban Tomash6 and ZbiR for interfering with my Liquibet glory and never posting.

=(
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-13 10:19:20
May 13 2007 10:18 GMT
#18
On May 13 2007 19:17 Pressure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May :12 fusionsdf wrote:
I will never, ever fully trust ra. If he goes 16-0, I will still be nervous as hell when voting for him.

pressure = rival

we shall revive the TL sidebet thread
;]


I dont know what to wager :O

On May 13 2007 19:18 Pressure wrote:
we should ban Tomash6 and ZbiR for interfering with my Liquibet glory and never posting.

=(


+ Show Spoiler [FOR ADMINS ONLY, DO NOT READ] +

ban pressure pls
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
May 13 2007 10:34 GMT
#19
fusion you bastard
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
May 13 2007 11:02 GMT
#20
ive no idea how fantasy sports work but i want to play one for starcraft
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
May 13 2007 11:06 GMT
#21
Hmm I think this could work. The trick would be to think up a creative scoring system, so it's not just a matter of predicting who will win and who will lose, because liquibet has that covered.

I was thinking of something along the lines of this site:http://www.fantasycongress.com/fc/ has anyone tried it? If they can make that work surely we can make fantasy starcraft work.

Here's what I have in mind. At the beginning of the proleague season, you pick a team of 6. 2 players for each race, and for each race, you pick one veteran who's been playing a long time and one rookie that hasn't. That would help make sure that people don't all pick the same players.

Then, as the season goes on, you get points like:
1 point for every win in proleague
1 point if that player's team wins a match
1 extra point for winning an ace match
1 extra point if their team wins proleague
5 extra points if they win the match that wins proleague
1/2 point if that player is part of a winning 2v2 team
1/2 point if they win a showmatch like superfight or whatever

and maybe some stupid points like
1 point for using a really cheesy rush
1 point if they win a game by complete luck
1 point if they win a really one sided game
1/4 point for playing, even if they lose

Thoughts?


Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
May 13 2007 11:11 GMT
#22
On May 13 2007 19:17 fusionsdf wrote:
...I went child until he stopped winning (I stopped voting for him on his last win...


FUCKER i was up 1-0 on bisu too T_T
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
May 13 2007 11:12 GMT
#23
On May 13 2007 20:06 Luddite wrote:
Hmm I think this could work. The trick would be to think up a creative scoring system, so it's not just a matter of predicting who will win and who will lose, because liquibet has that covered.

I was thinking of something along the lines of this site:http://www.fantasycongress.com/fc/ has anyone tried it? If they can make that work surely we can make fantasy starcraft work.

Here's what I have in mind. At the beginning of the proleague season, you pick a team of 6. 2 players for each race, and for each race, you pick one veteran who's been playing a long time and one rookie that hasn't. That would help make sure that people don't all pick the same players.

Then, as the season goes on, you get points like:
1 point for every win in proleague
1 point if that player's team wins a match
1 extra point for winning an ace match
1 extra point if their team wins proleague
5 extra points if they win the match that wins proleague
1/2 point if that player is part of a winning 2v2 team
1/2 point if they win a showmatch like superfight or whatever

and maybe some stupid points like
1 point for using a really cheesy rush
1 point if they win a game by complete luck
1 point if they win a really one sided game
1/4 point for playing, even if they lose

Thoughts?




I like the idea of basing points on how they win a game, but that would get really complicated if we most quantify every aspect of a game. Should we award points for really close games? What if one player wins an upset? Do we factor in map imbalances?
.kaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
1963 Posts
May 13 2007 11:13 GMT
#24
Can someone please explain to all of us how fantasy sports work? Or link me to a page that can tell me? . I've always wanted to get in on these things.
Pressure - "rock is the defender of justice" 이병민 / 박영민 Hwaiting~
siro)
Profile Joined January 2006
Australia848 Posts
May 13 2007 11:15 GMT
#25
On May 13 2007 20:13 .kaz wrote:
Can someone please explain to all of us how fantasy sports work? Or link me to a page that can tell me? . I've always wanted to get in on these things.


generally speaking;

-you get a salary cap
-pick X players
-players get points based on stats
-you get ranked by total points

The problem with starcraft is there aren't stats to generate points for, only win/loss. Whereas, say basketball you have points/assists/rebounds etc etc.
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
May 13 2007 11:16 GMT
#26
Don't people here fantasize about Progamers enough already?
Administrator
.kaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
1963 Posts
May 13 2007 11:18 GMT
#27
Ok but how do you decide when players play, who they play, who wins..?
Pressure - "rock is the defender of justice" 이병민 / 박영민 Hwaiting~
siro)
Profile Joined January 2006
Australia848 Posts
May 13 2007 11:21 GMT
#28
On May 13 2007 20:18 .kaz wrote:
Ok but how do you decide when players play, who they play, who wins..?


just do a weekly random fixture, player with more points from their players during that week wins.

have a ladder etc.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
May 13 2007 11:22 GMT
#29
On May 13 2007 20:18 .kaz wrote:
Ok but how do you decide when players play, who they play, who wins..?


MBC, OGN, and Kespa would decide that. =P
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
May 13 2007 11:22 GMT
#30
On May 13 2007 20:12 Jyvblamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2007 20:06 Luddite wrote:
Hmm I think this could work. The trick would be to think up a creative scoring system, so it's not just a matter of predicting who will win and who will lose, because liquibet has that covered.

I was thinking of something along the lines of this site:http://www.fantasycongress.com/fc/ has anyone tried it? If they can make that work surely we can make fantasy starcraft work.

Here's what I have in mind. At the beginning of the proleague season, you pick a team of 6. 2 players for each race, and for each race, you pick one veteran who's been playing a long time and one rookie that hasn't. That would help make sure that people don't all pick the same players.

Then, as the season goes on, you get points like:
1 point for every win in proleague
1 point if that player's team wins a match
1 extra point for winning an ace match
1 extra point if their team wins proleague
5 extra points if they win the match that wins proleague
1/2 point if that player is part of a winning 2v2 team
1/2 point if they win a showmatch like superfight or whatever

and maybe some stupid points like
1 point for using a really cheesy rush
1 point if they win a game by complete luck
1 point if they win a really one sided game
1/4 point for playing, even if they lose

Thoughts?




I like the idea of basing points on how they win a game, but that would get really complicated if we most quantify every aspect of a game. Should we award points for really close games? What if one player wins an upset? Do we factor in map imbalances?


Well you'd wanna keep it kinda simple, so I guess the only question is could you judge the issue pretty easily and would it be fun? So, some of the ones I suggested might not be possible, and I don't know how you could fairly judge whether a game was an upset. You could do "really close games" though, with an extra point if they go over, say, and hour.

For map imbalance, you could also give an extra point if at least 100 matches have been played on the map and that players matchup was won less than 40% (meaning, if your player is Z and they win against a P on a map where has only won 38% of ZvP, you get an extra point).
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
May 13 2007 11:23 GMT
#31
On May 13 2007 20:15 siro) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2007 20:13 .kaz wrote:
Can someone please explain to all of us how fantasy sports work? Or link me to a page that can tell me? . I've always wanted to get in on these things.


generally speaking;

-you get a salary cap
-pick X players
-players get points based on stats
-you get ranked by total points

The problem with starcraft is there aren't stats to generate points for, only win/loss. Whereas, say basketball you have points/assists/rebounds etc etc.

Do we know how much all the proleague players earn (in salary)?
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
.kaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
1963 Posts
May 13 2007 11:24 GMT
#32
I see...

Maybe a team could be set up to rate people, on a scale of like 1-10 in each matchup based on the last two or three games they played and that could be included too?
Pressure - "rock is the defender of justice" 이병민 / 박영민 Hwaiting~
siro)
Profile Joined January 2006
Australia848 Posts
May 13 2007 11:28 GMT
#33
On May 13 2007 20:23 Luddite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2007 20:15 siro) wrote:
On May 13 2007 20:13 .kaz wrote:
Can someone please explain to all of us how fantasy sports work? Or link me to a page that can tell me? . I've always wanted to get in on these things.


generally speaking;

-you get a salary cap
-pick X players
-players get points based on stats
-you get ranked by total points

The problem with starcraft is there aren't stats to generate points for, only win/loss. Whereas, say basketball you have points/assists/rebounds etc etc.

Do we know how much all the proleague players earn (in salary)?


of the common pro's, yes.

but it can just be an ambigious amount, much like in the way sandlot had X points to distribute amongst X players.

Usually in fantasy games people just turn that into a dollar value, no difference really though.
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
May 13 2007 12:11 GMT
#34
On May 13 2007 20:16 SonuvBob wrote:
Don't people here fantasize about Progamers enough already?


LOL
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
May 13 2007 12:37 GMT
#35
basically, the more people that choose a player, the more expensive he is, the fewer the cheaper... so it's kinda like the stock market in that sense.
ofclean
Profile Joined April 2007
United States100 Posts
May 13 2007 12:43 GMT
#36
points for expos, etc.

wow this would be easier with FUCKIN REPS
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13000 Posts
May 13 2007 13:32 GMT
#37
I think this would be pretty cool.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51411 Posts
May 13 2007 15:54 GMT
#38
I remember there was a simulator DoubleStormIII (OH I MISS YOU!!!!) posted where a Korean made a Teamleague (by Teamleague, I mean oldschool MBC) simulator, where you can pick your team, pick your players, and see if they win or not. I believe this was calculated by map statistics and general skill level (which was hidden).

If you search it up, then web.archive.org it, I'm sure you can try to use it.
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Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
May 14 2007 06:18 GMT
#39
3 93 fusionsdf
4 92 Pressure

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