EPTJaedong fights the end of his career with reckless abandon
Jaedong near to retirement
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Sogetsu
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Jaedong fights the end of his career with reckless abandon | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2543 Posts
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sc-darkness
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KaNaTTu
Finland20 Posts
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JungleTerrain
Chile799 Posts
On September 30 2017 08:08 KaNaTTu wrote: Oh god, this unbelievably bad and terrible news. I'm a huge JD fan... Same. Something about him, his humility, likeable personality, amazing work ethic, amazing talent and huge hunger to be the absolute best really makes it hard to not be a fan of his. | ||
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
Since then I've followed Jaedong constantly. He's always been my favourite player and inspired me to play Zerg. His Golden Mouse win was just the most exciting moment for me. When the opportunity was presented on TL, I bought a Hwaseung Oz jacket (which is now peppered with autographs from folks like Day9, Huk and Ret). But just a while back, I actually got to meet JD himself and Flash when he came to Toronto for an SC2 tournament. With my limited Korean, I told him how much of a fan I was and got pictures with him (apologies to my friend for only taking nervous blurry photos of him with the two) and of course, got them to sign the jacket. Literally one of my best memories. While I fell off from following SC2, I immediately started tuning into JD's stream when he started BW again. I was so impressed and happy with him taking 2 games off of Flash in ASL 3 with strokes of genius but his loss seemed inevitable throughout the whole series. In my head, I know it's highly doubtful he'll win his perhaps final ASL. But I'm rooting for him til the end. When he retires, I'll be sad, but what's is important is him pursuing what he thinks is right. Health is absolutely super important. But I know that even when that happens, I'll still continue to be his fan. Jaedong fighting! Go win ASL 4! | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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NET
United States703 Posts
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Descent
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Archers_bane
United States1338 Posts
 Glad I could follow his career from the very start, although I didn't really care for the time spent on SC2. He needs a proper farewell from the SC community when he officially retires | ||
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Loccstana
United States833 Posts
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
He does often look very worn out on stream. Maybe going to the military will help rejuvenate his health. | ||
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craz3d
Bulgaria856 Posts
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iloveav
Poland1478 Posts
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Blue
Norway358 Posts
On October 10 2017 18:16 iloveav wrote: Im 33. I know what he means and I dont play at that level. yep. long live JD <3 | ||
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IntoTheStorm
116 Posts
On October 10 2017 18:08 craz3d wrote: Health is mentioned a couple of times without going into detail as to what's wrong. Is he suffering from some sort of overuse injury or burnout? The article mentions wrists and finger pain, also eyes tearing. So, being with a medical diploma, I assume it's something like carpal tunnel syndrome and chronic inflammation of the finger joints. The eye condition I know nothing about as eyes are far and away from my field of knowledge. It can simply be that his eyes are getting tired easily as they've been forced to focus on the screen for such a long period of time and he might need a few months of rest from active focusing on close objects. It can mean that he needs some form of surgery, we don't know from the article itself. Maybe his tear ducts are inflamed, I don't know. Anyway, JD is an iconic figure and I love to watch him play even though I've played like 6 games with Zerg in total. He is an artist. But I think he should immediately retire from active gaming, this is ridiculous, to put such an enormous amount of stress on his body. | ||
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craz3d
Bulgaria856 Posts
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Zephyp
238 Posts
On September 30 2017 10:46 Morbidius wrote: Watching JD stream breaks my heart, i don't know what it is, he always looks sad and defeated. Yeah. I feel like he's been sort of like that ever since his performance in SC2 started to drop. He had one year with a lot of second places in SC2, but from there it just became a long line of hopes getting upped and then him losing. Except that one tournament in USA he won. He's always been a winner, but when he didn't win anymore, it seemed to take it's toll. Which he also talks about in the interview. | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
514 Posts
On October 10 2017 19:50 craz3d wrote: Do you think ASL offers some sort of medical insurance and/or requires certification that the competitors are in good health? I mean they ought to take care of their stars better. healthcare in korea is pretty good as it's paid for by the relatively high taxes unfortunately no amount of medicine or surgery is going to prevent continuous wear and tear over ten years | ||
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Akara12345
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DracoMortuiVolantus
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Wonk
546 Posts
I'm too sad right now | ||
Ty2
United States1434 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
On October 10 2017 21:12 DracoMortuiVolantus wrote: Jeadong , You once had 89,7% winrate against Z for year and a half of playing brood war, when Your game with Soulkey started I was thinking You were born on fighting spirit, it is a good place to die. That's very poetic way to put it | ||
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probelife66
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Rekzr
Australia92 Posts
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probelife66
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On October 10 2017 22:18 probelife66 wrote: Not sure how popular bw will continue to be once the big names leave like bisu and jaedong.. enjoy it while its here boiz The same had been said when Boxer, Yellow, July, Iloveoov, Reach, Nada, Xellos, Iris, GGplay, Nal_ra etc went to the army. People never learn. Larva himself is already on the same level of popularity as TBLS. New people will come and be the face of BW. You are pushing stupid SC2 rhetoric. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1706 Posts
On October 10 2017 22:18 probelife66 wrote: Not sure how popular bw will continue to be once the big names leave like bisu and jaedong.. enjoy it while its here boiz So true. A lot of people, including the pros have pointed this out. To have a true revival, you need young blood. I don't know what needs to be done to get that. Sponsored teams were what we had before. It was a way to at least have some kind of career track; keep a roof over your head and 3 meals a day while having access to resources to improve your game. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3671 Posts
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FusionCutter
Canada974 Posts
The dude's crazy. | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
On October 11 2017 00:48 FusionCutter wrote: Didn't recently he say that he was playing in a tournament with steroids injected into his wrists? The dude's crazy. I would assume that means prednisone which is a typical treatment for muscle/joint inflammation, but it's still obviously more extreme a solution than ibuprofen. Talk about commitment though. | ||
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Akara12345
164 Posts
On October 10 2017 22:18 probelife66 wrote: Not sure how popular bw will continue to be once the big names leave like bisu and jaedong.. enjoy it while its here boiz Bisu already completed his military services. | ||
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juvenal
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On October 11 2017 01:38 Akara12345 wrote: Bisu already completed his military services. None of TBLS did. Bisu came straight back from StarCraft II to BW back in 2013. | ||
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
On September 30 2017 08:22 JungleTerrain wrote: Same. Something about him, his humility, likeable personality, amazing work ethic, amazing talent and huge hunger to be the absolute best really makes it hard to not be a fan of his. Indeed, I love him, I really do. I think he will be alright, Lee Jaedong hwaiting!! | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1706 Posts
On October 11 2017 00:25 Lorch wrote: Brood War will survive. When the scene was stripped of all it's best players in 2012 it survived. It went on and it grew. It took one man to do that and he single handedly brought brood war back on TV ( even if only for a time). And even though sonic is gone now, Afreeca and Kongdoo have taken up the torch. Fear not, others will rise in place of TBLS. The studio has been packed for almost every group this season, and flash even said that he won't do his military service until everyone else is back. BW was effectively dead for me after the transition to sc2. I tried watching the few players who stayed with bw but it just wasnt the same. The level of competition fell off a cliff. BW was only revived after enough pros quit sc2 and went back to bw. The issue is not the loss of current players but that there is no one to replace them. Name me a rookie since the end of the kespa era who has "made it". There is no one. Every player in this ASL I have heard of because they were the same players back then, its just the rankings between the players that have changed. I'm not saying it will completely die. But having only a fraction of the current popularity and level of play is imo like having nothing at all. I dont want the greatest spectator sport in the world to be relegated to such a niche state. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1706 Posts
On October 11 2017 01:38 Akara12345 wrote: Bisu already completed his military services. No I'm pretty sure I would have remembered what Bisu looks like without his hair | ||
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Netto.
Poland523 Posts
On October 11 2017 03:24 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: BW was effectively dead for me after the transition to sc2. I tried watching the few players who stayed with bw but it just wasnt the same. The level of competition fell off a cliff. BW was only revived after enough pros quit sc2 and went back to bw. The issue is not the loss of current players but that there is no one to replace them. Name me a rookie since the end of the kespa era who has "made it". There is no one. Every player in this ASL I have heard off because they were the same players back then, its just the rankings between the players that have changed. I'm not saying it will completely die. But having only a fraction of the current popularity and level of play is imo like having nothing at all. I dont want the greatest spectator sport in the world to be relegated to such a niche state. Did you really hear much about larva, shuttle or last back in the kespa era? They are very good and popular now. I think you are too pesimistic. | ||
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Amanebak
Czech Republic528 Posts
On October 11 2017 01:38 Akara12345 wrote: Bisu already completed his military services. By saluting after he advanced to the Ro8. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1706 Posts
On October 11 2017 03:31 Netto. wrote: Did you really hear much about larva, shuttle or last back in the kespa era? They are very good and popular now. I think you are too pesimistic. Of course I have!! I think I am being realistic. I would absolutely LOVE it if I was proven wrong!!! And again, what I am saying is: a.) There is currently no system to effectively encourage and nurture new talent to enter the professional scene; and b.) No bw players = no bw scene Again I am not saying that a.) will not be resolved. I am saying that to think that professional bw as we know it will continue to live without finding a solution to a.) is just wishful thinking | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1397 Posts
On October 11 2017 03:39 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: Of course I have!! I think I am being realistic. I would absolutely LOVE it if I was proven wrong!!! And again, what I am saying is: a.) There is currently no system to effectively encourage and nurture new talent to enter the professional scene; and b.) No bw players = no bw scene Again I am not saying that a.) will not be resolved. I am saying that to think that professional bw as we know it will continue to live without finding a solution to a.) is just wishful thinking this is legitimate concern among korean community, and also that flash is the youngest out of them all and will dominate til he grows old because frankly, none of amateurs can even compete with former pros/B-teamers who grew into top players now (like larva) Theres shinee, but hes behind compared to other former pros and thats the best of amateurs. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3671 Posts
Even if you pick 12 random guys out of those who made it into the ro24 and sent them to the miliatry, there'd still be more than enough top players. I do agree that fresh blood would be great. But I think there are enough players, especially those who already finished their military service, that we'll have a constant stream of good games. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On October 11 2017 01:38 Akara12345 wrote: Bisu already completed his military services. That was BeSt | ||
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Mr.Pyro
Denmark959 Posts
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BigFan
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Neverendar
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On October 11 2017 04:27 Mr.Pyro wrote: It's really not the end of the world. All good things must come to an end, and seeing some new blood on top is not a bad thing, that's how new fans are made The real worry is if the new blood ends up being nothing in comparison to the old blood. What drives any e-sport is one old-guard being replaced by talented new blood, if the old guard just retire because of age and illness rather than competition that would be concerning. I just hope with streaming and income from twitch and afreeca, there is enough room for a new generation of BW pros. However, I don't think we'll see a lot of players of Jaedong's calibre ever again. | ||
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Piratezerg
54 Posts
Just realized JDs last game before the end of broodwar in 2012 was a loss to Rain. | ||
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DracoMortuiVolantus
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and snow, and now it is last (Ssak? O.o), soulkey and rain. Jeadong would have won with any protoss player with things he did, Rain has made absolutely inasane hold in my opinion, no zerg would beat him on this day, on this map. I can empathize with JD, I was playing piano whole my life, and since few months I can't play it because of nails disease, it hurts so much I can't play so I stopped playing, I think that health is more important than making people happy with Your performance, please stop playing, it was good run, there is no comeback in game of life. (or play one game daily, the most important is running game in head I think, I don't play only hardest parts on piano, I am amble to play soft parts) Best regards. | ||
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KungKras
Sweden484 Posts
We will always have all of those amazing games to watch too. They will never go away. If it's time for Jaedong to quit because of his health so be it, I'd say it's also a time to be happy about, and to celebrate one of the most amazing careers in Starcraft. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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CoolSea
United States236 Posts
There's a video on youtube that shows Bisu looking at his military enlistment date as being in 2015. Think he got out not too long ago. Would have linked the vid but don't want to get too off topic. Super sad about Jaedong, but at some point the pain just becomes insurmountable and interferes with your ability to perform and practice. I wonder if it'll interfere with his military service or if there is some niche role in the military that former pro gamers fulfill because of their similar wrist injuries. No way you can fire a gun with fucked up dead wrists, right? | ||
GTR
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
To me Jaedong is competitive StarCraft. He represents everything I ever wanted to be in a player: how I played, how I thought about and saw the game, what skills I prioritized. And outside of the game he possessed qualities I yearned to possess as a person: humility, drive, passion, and an indomitable will. It's a strange mix of feelings that are welling up in me thinking about Jaedong entering the military and retiring for good. Something akin to mourning. Nostalgia? Not quite. Regret, and a deep and overwhelming sadness. Maybe I'm harboring a small shred of the emotions that must be running through him right now. I know that to me, and many others, Jaedong will always be the greatest player that StarCraft has ever produced. His retirement will mark the close of a chapter in both his life and mine. I wish him all the best. | ||
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fish_radio
182 Posts
On October 11 2017 09:35 GTR wrote: none of the TBLS have done military service lol dunno wtf you kids are on about he is correct though. bisu's service was supposed to be 2015 | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On October 11 2017 12:58 fish_radio wrote: he is correct though. bisu's service was supposed to be 2015 there's a clear difference though between Bisu has done and hasn't done his service. Bisu has been constantly active in the scene since he came back in 2013. In 2015, he was in the last SSL finals for example. Sure, his date was supposed to be in 2015 but that's not what the other poster was trying to explain at all afaik. | ||
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b0lt
United States790 Posts
On October 11 2017 09:35 GTR wrote: none of the TBLS have done military service lol dunno wtf you kids are on about does flash get to skip military service because he won the 2009 asian indoor games? | ||
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fish_radio
182 Posts
On October 11 2017 13:20 BigFan wrote: there's a clear difference though between Bisu has done and hasn't done his service. Bisu has been constantly active in the scene since he came back in 2013. In 2015, he was in the last SSL finals for example. Sure, his date was supposed to be in 2015 but that's not what the other poster was trying to explain at all afaik. ah it's my english. sorry == | ||
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juvenal
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
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Jenia6109
Russian Federation1607 Posts
2. It's life. 3. I don't understand progamers who think that they will be progamers forever. 4. I don't understand fans who think that their favourite player will play forever. I'm not a sportsman but i have health problems too. And if you have it, you should work on it. Your health is not magic, it depends on the laws of nature. Every of us have a time when you think that you are invulnerable. But this can't last forever. Reality knocks on you door and you should do something with it. That's how you understand the life. Welcome to the adult life, Jaedong! PS Whenever you are in US or South Korea or Russia. Nature don't recognize country. | ||
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