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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
November 13 2019 18:05 GMT
#2481
Forcing pros (especially a veteran Stork who used to play on CRT) to play BW on 27 inch seriously? What the fuck they were thinking. I only watch movies or do some photoshop on on my 27 4K, never played a single game, my eyes could go insane if I laddered. If KSL will continue with this behavior even more top pros will decline playing on that stage. Like how hard was to swap the monitors it's 5 min. of work, shame on you Blizzard and SPOTV.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51682 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-13 18:51:13
November 13 2019 18:50 GMT
#2482
when i was working at the spotv studio they were using 24 inch benq's for proleague. i wonder what prompted them to change everything to 27 inches, even though it has been proven all over the world across different titles that professional players all prefer 24 or less.

my educated guess is that since they stopped broadcasting games that actually had proper esports scenes (lol/starcraft), they believed that lesser games that they still broadcast like dnf/fifa/kartrider would benefit from 27 inch monitors.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 13 2019 18:58 GMT
#2483
Unfortunate situation for Stork. Glad it got remedied. I wonder how hard it would've been if they removed a 24 inch screen from the practice room and put it at the booth.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10360 Posts
November 13 2019 21:37 GMT
#2484
On November 14 2019 03:58 BigFan wrote:
Unfortunate situation for Stork. Glad it got remedied. I wonder how hard it would've been if they removed a 24 inch screen from the practice room and put it at the booth.

While I admit that I don't know everything there is to know about monitors and computers, I find it hard to believe that it would be any more difficult than it is for any of us to set up a monitor. I don't think there is any discussion necessary about how difficult it is to move a monitor from one room to another and plug it into an outlet and PC.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8918 Posts
November 14 2019 00:49 GMT
#2485
On November 14 2019 03:50 GTR wrote:
when i was working at the spotv studio they were using 24 inch benq's for proleague. i wonder what prompted them to change everything to 27 inches, even though it has been proven all over the world across different titles that professional players all prefer 24 or less.

my educated guess is that since they stopped broadcasting games that actually had proper esports scenes (lol/starcraft), they believed that lesser games that they still broadcast like dnf/fifa/kartrider would benefit from 27 inch monitors.

stork did mention this also. every ksl up til now used 24 inch monitors so he couldnt understand why they suddenly switched to 27 when no pro wanted it. also he complained that it wasnt hard to switch a monitor at the players' request, so why couldnt staff just do it. if they wanted consistency between players, they could have switched both players' monitors even and it still wouldnt take 5 minutes.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10360 Posts
November 14 2019 01:04 GMT
#2486
On November 14 2019 09:49 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2019 03:50 GTR wrote:
when i was working at the spotv studio they were using 24 inch benq's for proleague. i wonder what prompted them to change everything to 27 inches, even though it has been proven all over the world across different titles that professional players all prefer 24 or less.

my educated guess is that since they stopped broadcasting games that actually had proper esports scenes (lol/starcraft), they believed that lesser games that they still broadcast like dnf/fifa/kartrider would benefit from 27 inch monitors.

stork did mention this also. every ksl up til now used 24 inch monitors so he couldnt understand why they suddenly switched to 27 when no pro wanted it. also he complained that it wasnt hard to switch a monitor at the players' request, so why couldnt staff just do it. if they wanted consistency between players, they could have switched both players' monitors even and it still wouldnt take 5 minutes.

I think they meant that there would be consistency between players who played the first match and the second match?
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
shakigami
Profile Joined November 2013
220 Posts
November 14 2019 02:12 GMT
#2487
why so serious? he can just use window mode ...
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-14 03:08:45
November 14 2019 03:08 GMT
#2488
On November 14 2019 11:12 shakigami wrote:
why so serious? he can just use window mode ...


if you are not used to playing scr in windowsmode its probably not the best idear to ''try it out'' in KSL ro16 match now does it?

BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-14 03:22:00
November 14 2019 03:21 GMT
#2489
On November 14 2019 06:37 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2019 03:58 BigFan wrote:
Unfortunate situation for Stork. Glad it got remedied. I wonder how hard it would've been if they removed a 24 inch screen from the practice room and put it at the booth.

While I admit that I don't know everything there is to know about monitors and computers, I find it hard to believe that it would be any more difficult than it is for any of us to set up a monitor. I don't think there is any discussion necessary about how difficult it is to move a monitor from one room to another and plug it into an outlet and PC.

Sure, I don't disagree with what you wrote. Granted, I was wondering if they were locked in place so to speak, but that wouldn't make sense either so I'm gonna presume they just wanted to keep it consistent, aka the first player of the group played on 27" so you have to. Reminds me of what happened during ASL3 and the newest BW patch at the time. Terrible for Stork and anyone else who didn't feel comfortable with a 27", and I don't agree with lying about the rules either, but hopefully won't happen again with Stork speaking out against it.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-14 03:23:14
November 14 2019 03:22 GMT
#2490
On November 14 2019 11:12 shakigami wrote:
why so serious? he can just use window mode ...


From personal experience, playing Brood War with equipment that I'm not used to has a pretty big impact on my game-play. Playing with unfamiliar equipment probably also affected his morale. It doesn't sound like a super big deal that Stork was playing with a monitor that was larger than what he was used to but every small advantage counts in Brood War.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8918 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-14 03:44:54
November 14 2019 03:33 GMT
#2491
On November 14 2019 10:04 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2019 09:49 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 14 2019 03:50 GTR wrote:
when i was working at the spotv studio they were using 24 inch benq's for proleague. i wonder what prompted them to change everything to 27 inches, even though it has been proven all over the world across different titles that professional players all prefer 24 or less.

my educated guess is that since they stopped broadcasting games that actually had proper esports scenes (lol/starcraft), they believed that lesser games that they still broadcast like dnf/fifa/kartrider would benefit from 27 inch monitors.

stork did mention this also. every ksl up til now used 24 inch monitors so he couldnt understand why they suddenly switched to 27 when no pro wanted it. also he complained that it wasnt hard to switch a monitor at the players' request, so why couldnt staff just do it. if they wanted consistency between players, they could have switched both players' monitors even and it still wouldnt take 5 minutes.

I think they meant that there would be consistency between players who played the first match and the second match?

i didnt elaborate much initially but its worth pointing out that the initial excuse from staff was that they couldnt switch storks monitor because his opponent was using a 27inch monitor also.
stork said then that they can switch both monitors for the players, to which staff later replied "our boss (blizz rep) said that because previous rounds were on 27inch subsequent rounds would also be 27 inch".
of course later on stork found out they hadnt managed to contact the blizz rep at all. it is important to also note that stork doesnt know for a fact that spoTV couldnt contact the blizz rep in LA. all he knows is that each party's account of the event doesnt match up. the blizz rep contacted stork later and said that he was asleep when he received the message because it was 1am and he found out in the morning. spoTV claimed to have been able to get instructions from him when the event was live. stork thinks the blizz rep has more credibility because the time the blizz rep claimed the message arrived is pretty much correct and so it wouldnt be hard to assume that the guy was indeed asleep. also the tournament staff were clueless anyway so stork doesnt really have faith that the situation was managed well on spoTV's end, but unless official statements come out and someone claims responsibility i doubt we'd find out what the real facts are.
marwin
Profile Joined June 2011
Ukraine111 Posts
November 14 2019 10:02 GMT
#2492
All the players had the same issue during the ASL qualies that were held in PC bangs with (If I'm correct) 27'' monitors. And they managed to adjust using window mode or resizing the screen, so did stork. I don't know why he wasn't able to do so this time.
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FakeFin
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany392 Posts
November 14 2019 12:45 GMT
#2493
On November 14 2019 19:02 marwin wrote:
All the players had the same issue during the ASL qualies that were held in PC bangs with (If I'm correct) 27'' monitors. And they managed to adjust using window mode or resizing the screen, so did stork. I don't know why he wasn't able to do so this time.

Probably because he had time to set up his equipment correctly and to adjust to the difference. In ksl he only noticed when he was already on stage so he didn't have any time
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10360 Posts
November 14 2019 14:02 GMT
#2494
On November 14 2019 12:33 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2019 10:04 Jealous wrote:
On November 14 2019 09:49 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 14 2019 03:50 GTR wrote:
when i was working at the spotv studio they were using 24 inch benq's for proleague. i wonder what prompted them to change everything to 27 inches, even though it has been proven all over the world across different titles that professional players all prefer 24 or less.

my educated guess is that since they stopped broadcasting games that actually had proper esports scenes (lol/starcraft), they believed that lesser games that they still broadcast like dnf/fifa/kartrider would benefit from 27 inch monitors.

stork did mention this also. every ksl up til now used 24 inch monitors so he couldnt understand why they suddenly switched to 27 when no pro wanted it. also he complained that it wasnt hard to switch a monitor at the players' request, so why couldnt staff just do it. if they wanted consistency between players, they could have switched both players' monitors even and it still wouldnt take 5 minutes.

I think they meant that there would be consistency between players who played the first match and the second match?

i didnt elaborate much initially but its worth pointing out that the initial excuse from staff was that they couldnt switch storks monitor because his opponent was using a 27inch monitor also.
stork said then that they can switch both monitors for the players, to which staff later replied "our boss (blizz rep) said that because previous rounds were on 27inch subsequent rounds would also be 27 inch".
of course later on stork found out they hadnt managed to contact the blizz rep at all. it is important to also note that stork doesnt know for a fact that spoTV couldnt contact the blizz rep in LA. all he knows is that each party's account of the event doesnt match up. the blizz rep contacted stork later and said that he was asleep when he received the message because it was 1am and he found out in the morning. spoTV claimed to have been able to get instructions from him when the event was live. stork thinks the blizz rep has more credibility because the time the blizz rep claimed the message arrived is pretty much correct and so it wouldnt be hard to assume that the guy was indeed asleep. also the tournament staff were clueless anyway so stork doesnt really have faith that the situation was managed well on spoTV's end, but unless official statements come out and someone claims responsibility i doubt we'd find out what the real facts are.

I guess that means Blizzard is also partly to blame for not having a representative available for a tournament they run..
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8918 Posts
November 14 2019 15:11 GMT
#2495
blizzard definitely deserves blame for that. how does the tournament only have 1 guy in charge and he just happens to be at blizzcon for whatever reason instead of running the tournament?
AntiHack
Profile Joined January 2009
Switzerland553 Posts
November 14 2019 18:54 GMT
#2496
Thank you guys and especially you evilfatsh1t for the translation/explanation!

I found very interesting the evolution of the relationship between players and tournament organisers and the state of KSL production.

Shootout to Stork for calling out Blizzard on that
"I am very tired of your grammar errors" - Zoler[MB]
SchAmToo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1141 Posts
November 14 2019 20:44 GMT
#2497
On November 15 2019 00:11 evilfatsh1t wrote:
blizzard definitely deserves blame for that. how does the tournament only have 1 guy in charge and he just happens to be at blizzcon for whatever reason instead of running the tournament?


Did you just ask how can Blizzard have an employee care more about BlizzCon than this? I mean, I love KSL and everything but come on.

BlizzCon is the biggest concern for Blizzard at all times.

Also, I think we should get used to this. Blizzard doesn't have a ton of StarCraft esports people left.
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
November 14 2019 21:11 GMT
#2498
In hindsight I should have kept my 19" monitors (that I just donated this year) for BW purposes haha.
hydrogg
Profile Joined September 2011
United States377 Posts
November 14 2019 23:34 GMT
#2499
On November 15 2019 05:44 SchAmToo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2019 00:11 evilfatsh1t wrote:
blizzard definitely deserves blame for that. how does the tournament only have 1 guy in charge and he just happens to be at blizzcon for whatever reason instead of running the tournament?


Did you just ask how can Blizzard have an employee care more about BlizzCon than this? I mean, I love KSL and everything but come on.

BlizzCon is the biggest concern for Blizzard at all times.

Also, I think we should get used to this. Blizzard doesn't have a ton of StarCraft esports people left.


Blizzcon being the biggest concern for Blizzard makes sense. But having the guy in charge of a tournament not being able to be in charge of the tournament doesn't. They should have delegated the task to someone who didn't need to be at Blizzcon.
SchAmToo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1141 Posts
November 15 2019 00:47 GMT
#2500
On November 15 2019 08:34 hydrogg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2019 05:44 SchAmToo wrote:
On November 15 2019 00:11 evilfatsh1t wrote:
blizzard definitely deserves blame for that. how does the tournament only have 1 guy in charge and he just happens to be at blizzcon for whatever reason instead of running the tournament?


Did you just ask how can Blizzard have an employee care more about BlizzCon than this? I mean, I love KSL and everything but come on.

BlizzCon is the biggest concern for Blizzard at all times.

Also, I think we should get used to this. Blizzard doesn't have a ton of StarCraft esports people left.


Blizzcon being the biggest concern for Blizzard makes sense. But having the guy in charge of a tournament not being able to be in charge of the tournament doesn't. They should have delegated the task to someone who didn't need to be at Blizzcon.


Kinda my point, there's not that many people left to even do that.

But this is all besides the point: It seems more likely that someone made a bad call and blamed it on a Blizzard rep who wasn't even engaged at the time, thus it seems like someone is covering their ass.
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